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Re: Why haven't we addressed coaching?
« Reply #30 on: Today at 03:29:10 PM »

Offline slamtheking

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I think it's more he trusts proven players more than favoritism.   A rook can be killing it and he will take them out for a minor mistake.   If you knew his college coach, you would understand, he was that way too.

I think it is both trust and also teaching.  If a young guy makes a mistake on something they have been emphasizing, he takes them out pretty quickly to re-emphasize not to do whatever was just done.  Tatum and White need less teaching, and so the instant feedback of being taken out for something is less useful.

I get his point, though.  Sometimes, veterans and star players do need teaching.  It was back in 2023 that Joe said that he didn't emphasize defensive commitment, because the necessity to play defense should be obvious.  But, some of the players bristled at it (Smart, Brogdon, Brown), because they knew that even vets need to be reminded things.

With basketball, I think a guy like Tatum needs to be coached, even if it;s not as much as a guy like Hugo.  When our stars make bad turnovers, don't move the ball, take bad shots, etc., they need to be reminded of it.

I think that practice and intensive film study are becoming less prevalent in the NBA, and there's this tendency not to coach up the stars for the reasons you say.  But, it's nonsense in a way, and is driven by fragile egos moreso than is what is best for the team.

It does happen.  It has to happen less.  You cannot take Tatum out of the game after a mistake or two because the team revolves around him so much, and it will make it harder on everyone else.  But for sure when Joe wants to yell at a star he will call a timeout (something he does more now than he did his first season), or will just bench them in the fourth quarter.  But taking out Tatum or White or Brown for a teaching point is a lot more disruptive to everyone else than taking out Jordan Walsh or Baylor Scheierman, and probably less effective.  The stars have a lot more responsibility on the court and are much less likely to be working on any single skill or habit, but rather working on managing all the different things.  Taking a guy out because he messed up on X because he was too focused on Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, Y, and Z, which are all things you want him to focus on is less useful than when a guy messes up on X and was told to focus only on X, Y, and Z.

If they're dribbling on a fastbreak and someone like Tatum just stops at the top of the arc and launches a 3 and bricks it, then call a timeout immediately and take him out the game for a few minutes.

There's many of those moments with these folks esp how it has caused them to lose games. I recalled Neemais had a wide-open dunk in Game 7 against the 76ers but instead Jaylen Brown took a 3 and clanked it. It was a 1-point deficit too.
your dislike for JB has been well demonstrated but that play you're referring to, JB didn't shoot and clank a 3.  He passed to PP instead of Q and PP missed the 3. 

No one thinks that was the right play by JB but a pass to PP for a bucket is usually a good idea.  not the best idea at that time but it was a better one than him shooting it himself or to someone else that was shooting horribly

Re: Why haven't we addressed coaching?
« Reply #31 on: Today at 04:30:37 PM »

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I don't understand how anybody in management has watched our team in the playoffs and said "Our biggest problem?  Jaylen Brown".  For whatever JB's faults, the reason we have lost to an underdog in 3 out of 4 seasons has little to do with JB, or his salary slot.

The biggest reasons we lost against the 76ers were 1) being unprepared, 2) not making adjustments either in-game or between games.  So, we saw the same offensive and defensive schemes exploited over and over again.   Brad addressed Queta's inability to stay on the floor by adding Robinson, but he's done little to answer why so many players showed a steep regression in the postseason.

The team clearly needs a fresh set of eyes on the bench.  Since the title team Charles Lee has left.  JVG has left.  The team's coaching is poorer than it was.

Joe isn't getting replaced, but why not supplement the bench?  It doesn't impact the salary cap, so why not invest in improving the team where we can?

I agree that Joe and his coaching staff made mistakes, however the reason the Cs lost the series to Philly was they had a terrible shooting series.  regular season FG% - 46.7%   3pt% - 36.7%
 
1st loss....FG%-39% (-7.7)     3pt%-26%  (-10.7)
2nd loss....FG%-40% (-6.7)    3pt%-28%  (-8.7)
3rd loss.... FG%- 44% (-2.7)   3pt%-33%  (-3.7)
4th loss.....FG%- 40% (-6.7)   3pt%-27%  (-9.7)

You need to make baskets to win.

You make baskets by creating quality shots, which does not include continuously setting league records for 3-point attempts each season.

All you have to do is look at Games 1 & 2 at home vs the Knicks in the second round of the 2025 playoffs, when the Celtics had second-half leads of 20+ points in both games and proceeded to blow those leads by jacking up multiple missed 3's and continuing to do so with the lead declining with no change made whatsoever in the offensive strategy. I've never seen anything that bad in all my years of playing, coaching and watching basketball at all levels. Tatum was not injured in either of those games.
Losing the 3-1 series lead this year to the Sixers just added insult to injury.
Stating that we lost because we had a terrible shooting series is kind of the point, don't you think ? Stop taking low percentage shots !!!!

Mazzulla is THE problem and until he is gone, we won't win another title.
For the life of me, I don't understand how Brad doesn't see this.
If Brad somehow thinks Mazzulla is a good coach, then he is the problem as well.

Please don't trot out the tired old comment that Joe won a title. Joe's team won a title in spite of him. They had an easy draw in the playoffs that was further facilitated by opponents sustaining injuries to their best players. We also had a high-quality post option in Porzingis, which almost forced the team to play more inside-out offense.

FIRE JOE NOW!

Re: Why haven't we addressed coaching?
« Reply #32 on: Today at 07:15:47 PM »

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Mazzulla has won a title and also a coach of the year award. Pretty exclusive club for such a terrible coach.

Re: Why haven't we addressed coaching?
« Reply #33 on: Today at 07:23:22 PM »

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I asked chatgpt who took more than 10 3ptA per game in 2024-2025, and this is the answer:

During the 2024?25 NBA regular season, only three players averaged more than 10 three-point attempts per game:
Player
3PA/Game
3PA as % of FGA
3P% (Made %)
Stephen Curry (Warriors)
11.2
62.3%
39.7%
Anthony Edwards (Timberwolves)
10.3
50.3%
39.5%
Jayson Tatum (Celtics)
10.1
49.7%
34.3%
A few interesting observations:
Stephen Curry remains in a class of his own. Nearly two-thirds of all his field-goal attempts came from three-point range, yet he still shot 39.7%, making him by far the most efficient high-volume shooter in the league. �
Basketball Reference +1
Anthony Edwards combined elite volume with elite efficiency, hitting 39.5% while leading the NBA in total three-pointers made (320). �
Basketball Reference +1
Jayson Tatum also exceeded 10 attempts per game, but his accuracy dipped to 34.3%, below league average for top shooters.

If Joe is really all about analytics then i don't see a good analytic on the game plan involving Tatum's three. Or is it favoritism?

Re: Why haven't we addressed coaching?
« Reply #34 on: Today at 08:20:58 PM »

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If Joe is really all about analytics then i don't see a good analytic on the game plan involving Tatum's three. Or is it favoritism?

We don't have Edwards or Curry on the team.   To analyze this you'd have to compare him to the rest of our players to see if it was favoritism.

Analysts and most fans routinely have Tatum as the best player on our with Brown on it.

I did a google AI and I asked who is the most efficient three point shooter last year and the answer was :

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AI Overview               
 Luka Garza was the most efficient three-point shooter for the Boston Celtics during the 2025-26 season, finishing with an impressive 43.3% success rate from beyond the arc.When evaluating overall three-point production and volume for the Celtics, several key factors stand out:Best Percentage:

Luka Garza led the team by percentage.Most Made Threes: Payton Pritchard was the most prolific deep threat, sinking a team-high 212 three-pointers during the year.Team Success:

The Celtics relied heavily on the three-ball, draining 15.5 threes per game at a 36.7% clip. The team posted a dominant 38-5 record when shooting 36% or better from long range.

Do you think Garza is our best three point shooter?

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2025?26 Three-Point Volume Comparison Amoung shooters
Player                 Games        3P Per Game   Total3PM                     3P%
John Knueppel       61       -     4.5                   642                     42.5%   
Luka Dončić          64              4.0                 256                          37.8%
LaMelo Ball           72              3.8                 273                          36.4%
Anthony Edwards  61              3.4                 207                           37.1%
Payton Pritchard   79              2.68               212                            37.7%
Jayson Tatum       16              2.9                  46                            35.2%
Jaylen Brown        71              2.0         104                           34.7%
Sam Hauser      78              2.53                198                           39.3%

Remember Tatum was coming off an Achilles too.

Re: Why haven't we addressed coaching?
« Reply #35 on: Today at 08:59:41 PM »

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Mazzulla has won a title and also a coach of the year award. Pretty exclusive club for such a terrible coach.

The team won in spite of their coach. And with a little luck on our side with how banged up the East was and how we drew the Mavs instead of Denver or OKC.


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Re: Why haven't we addressed coaching?
« Reply #36 on: Today at 09:32:52 PM »

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If Joe is really all about analytics then i don't see a good analytic on the game plan involving Tatum's three. Or is it favoritism?

We don't have Edwards or Curry on the team.   To analyze this you'd have to compare him to the rest of our players to see if it was favoritism.

Analysts and most fans routinely have Tatum as the best player on our with Brown on it.

I did a google AI and I asked who is the most efficient three point shooter last year and the answer was :

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AI Overview               
 Luka Garza was the most efficient three-point shooter for the Boston Celtics during the 2025-26 season, finishing with an impressive 43.3% success rate from beyond the arc.When evaluating overall three-point production and volume for the Celtics, several key factors stand out:Best Percentage:

Luka Garza led the team by percentage.Most Made Threes: Payton Pritchard was the most prolific deep threat, sinking a team-high 212 three-pointers during the year.Team Success:

The Celtics relied heavily on the three-ball, draining 15.5 threes per game at a 36.7% clip. The team posted a dominant 38-5 record when shooting 36% or better from long range.

Do you think Garza is our best three point shooter?

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2025?26 Three-Point Volume Comparison Amoung shooters
Player                 Games        3P Per Game   Total3PM                     3P%
John Knueppel       61       -     4.5                   642                     42.5%   
Luka Dončić          64              4.0                 256                          37.8%
LaMelo Ball           72              3.8                 273                          36.4%
Anthony Edwards  61              3.4                 207                           37.1%
Payton Pritchard   79              2.68               212                            37.7%
Jayson Tatum       16              2.9                  46                            35.2%
Jaylen Brown        71              2.0         104                           34.7%
Sam Hauser      78              2.53                198                           39.3%

Remember Tatum was coming off an Achilles too.

Tatum is our best player, no argument about it. But he is one of our least efficient 3pt shooter. The fact that Joe let him shoot that many 3s is what my article was all about. Joe is not a good analytics coach, and we see it in the last 2 years or he played favoritism. (And I purposely used the 24-25 stats, instead of  the 25-26 stats, due to Tatum's injury).