Ray shouldn't even be considered tradable until season starts

[bobdelt]

With the health of the big 3 - and how we would be in the Finals right now if they were all healthy - why trade RA until we see how this Celtics team can play next fall and healthy?

If everyone is healthy - I dont see why we dont win another title with a little more depth on the bench. Same starting 5 as last year. Just need a couple role players. And perk and rondo can only get better!

If everyone is healthy, you have to give them another chance. We can't blow it up too early.

But if the season starts, and we aren't dominating - then I'd consider making some moves for younger players. RA will be perfect for a wanna be contender with his abilities and expiring contract. Which also means he's perfect for us until we can no longer an elite team.

[Fafnir]

No player should be untradable if the deal will improve the team.

Pierce is the closest too it since he's been a Celtic his whole career and been a HoF player for us. But even then if it'd get us close to another banner, you have to think about it!

For a player who's only been a C for two years, of course you have to see what you can get.

[Cman]

We can't blow it up too early.

I don't think trading Ray is about blowing up the team.  It is about using a very valuable expiring contract to get a really good long term player in return (for example, Gerald Wallace + Vlad Rad for Ray).  If the Cs get as good or better player back, and the other team gets salary cap relief, it is win-win. 

[ballaholic]

Raja Bell would be a better defender..

[Cman]

Raja Bell would be a better defender..

Agreed.

[JSD]

Off the record, we have several sources telling us that Ray Allen is, indeed, on the block. It's easy to make the leap, as the Celtics have managed to develop some nice young talent around their Big Three while also managing to win a championship. They might have even repeated had Kevin Garnett been healthy. It's not a stretch to say the Celtics would part with Allen, who has an ending contract next season, if they could add another top young player to the mix. HoopsWorld

On the record we have an added wrinkle - one that we thought to be highly unlikely until we found it reported with a quote attributed to Celtics GM Danny Ainge. It seems the Celtics are willing to package Rajon Rondo with Allen to make the right deal happen "He's stubborn," Ainge told ESPN's Jackie MacMullen. "He doesn't always take direction well. He's very bright and knows what he needs to do to be successful. But sometimes he doesn't understand what the team needs to be successful." Doc Rivers expressed similar sentiments, which he directed at Rondo himself earlier this season. "Do you know your teammates hate playing with you? ... The point guard has to be the guy that brings energy to the team. You can't be the guy that sucks it away. Your moodiness is affecting us. Change it." HoopsWorld

[PosImpos]

Off the record, we have several sources telling us that Ray Allen is, indeed, on the block. It's easy to make the leap, as the Celtics have managed to develop some nice young talent around their Big Three while also managing to win a championship. They might have even repeated had Kevin Garnett been healthy. It's not a stretch to say the Celtics would part with Allen, who has an ending contract next season, if they could add another top young player to the mix. HoopsWorld

On the record we have an added wrinkle - one that we thought to be highly unlikely until we found it reported with a quote attributed to Celtics GM Danny Ainge. It seems the Celtics are willing to package Rajon Rondo with Allen to make the right deal happen "He's stubborn," Ainge told ESPN's Jackie MacMullen. "He doesn't always take direction well. He's very bright and knows what he needs to do to be successful. But sometimes he doesn't understand what the team needs to be successful." Doc Rivers expressed similar sentiments, which he directed at Rondo himself earlier this season. "Do you know your teammates hate playing with you? ... The point guard has to be the guy that brings energy to the team. You can't be the guy that sucks it away. Your moodiness is affecting us. Change it." HoopsWorld

TP...very interesting.

[BballTim]

With the health of the big 3 - and how we would be in the Finals right now if they were all healthy - why trade RA until we see how this Celtics team can play next fall and healthy?

  We know how the team plays with the current lineup. We saw it for a year and a half. Trading Ray Allen isn't because this group isn't good enough to win a title, it's about extending the window.

[Celtic#9]

Off the record, we have several sources telling us that Ray Allen is, indeed, on the block. It's easy to make the leap, as the Celtics have managed to develop some nice young talent around their Big Three while also managing to win a championship. They might have even repeated had Kevin Garnett been healthy. It's not a stretch to say the Celtics would part with Allen, who has an ending contract next season, if they could add another top young player to the mix. HoopsWorld

On the record we have an added wrinkle - one that we thought to be highly unlikely until we found it reported with a quote attributed to Celtics GM Danny Ainge. It seems the Celtics are willing to package Rajon Rondo with Allen to make the right deal happen "He's stubborn," Ainge told ESPN's Jackie MacMullen. "He doesn't always take direction well. He's very bright and knows what he needs to do to be successful. But sometimes he doesn't understand what the team needs to be successful." Doc Rivers expressed similar sentiments, which he directed at Rondo himself earlier this season. "Do you know your teammates hate playing with you? ... The point guard has to be the guy that brings energy to the team. You can't be the guy that sucks it away. Your moodiness is affecting us. Change it." HoopsWorld

I think KG needs to have a talk with Rondo.

[BballTim]

On the record we have an added wrinkle - one that we thought to be highly unlikely until we found it reported with a quote attributed to Celtics GM Danny Ainge. It seems the Celtics are willing to package Rajon Rondo with Allen to make the right deal happen "He's stubborn," Ainge told ESPN's Jackie MacMullen. "He doesn't always take direction well. He's very bright and knows what he needs to do to be successful. But sometimes he doesn't understand what the team needs to be successful." Doc Rivers expressed similar sentiments, which he directed at Rondo himself earlier this season. "Do you know your teammates hate playing with you? ... The point guard has to be the guy that brings energy to the team. You can't be the guy that sucks it away. Your moodiness is affecting us. Change it." HoopsWorld

  Look at what they're trying to say, though. "one that we thought to be highly unlikely until we found it reported with a quote attributed to Celtics GM Danny Ainge". But they don't have a quote from Ainge that they're thinking about trading Rondo, they don't even have a current quote from Ainge about being displeased with Rondo. They took an old quote from an old article (probably out of context) and are using it to prop up a rumor. That's like me saying the Celts are shopping Pierce and posting quotes from after that Indiana series about how immature Paul is to back up the rumor.

[Who]

A Ray Allen + Rajon Rondo trade package is one heck of an offer.

If only a singular talent was coming back though, I think that player would need to be an MVP caliber talent. Possibly a first or second team All-NBA guy like Brandon Roy too.

[Fafnir]

A Ray Allen + Rajon Rondo trade package is one heck of an offer.

If only a singular talent was coming back though, I think that player would need to be an MVP caliber talent. Possibly a first or second team All-NBA guy like Brandon Roy too.

Yeah it is. A huge expiring contract (which is attached to an all-star player) and a great young player.

[RAcker]

I agree with the looking into every deal with an open mind thing, but just seeing Ray's picture on the front page of HoopsHype is making me sad.  Just sayin'.

[PosImpos]

A Ray Allen + Rajon Rondo trade package is one heck of an offer.

If only a singular talent was coming back though, I think that player would need to be an MVP caliber talent. Possibly a first or second team All-NBA guy like Brandon Roy too.

That's my view too.  Only way I'd consider trading Ray and Rondo is to get a franchise guy for the future like Roy, Durant or somebody like that.

[cdif911]

sunk cost fallacies are fun!