Analysis Why Amare makes us much much better!

[crownsy]

I'll give you that amare is a slightly better rebounder than he's given credit for, but its not like this is his first injury riddled season....at what point do people start getting that he's a very fragile big?

Robert Swift is a fragile big.  Amare got raked across the face and his retina detached.  It's a freak injury, which would have happened to anybody.  (Unless some guys have naturally weak connective tissue in their retinas?)

so you have no concerns about a knee operation that has been shown to weaken the knee for further injuries, nor the elbow injury in his second year (albit this was sorta minor as i recall)?

Does he need a third major injury before we declare that he's not exactly the toughest guy around?

Look, id do a trade for amare, but certainly not one that gave up rondo for steve nash, who is so far over the hill he can't see the top of it.

If they want to do like ray and contracts for amare and barbosa, then sign me up.

[Fafnir]

Amare isn't a good defender or rebounder.... why does he fit anywhere besides Phoenix and Golden State?

Amare's poor rebounding is blown way out of proportion.  The guy is a career 14.8% rebounder, when this past injury riddled season was by far his lowest percentage (as a comparison perkins the last three seasons is 14.1, 14.8, 16.7) and in the playoffs he is a 25.1/10.4 career guy (bumps the board % up to 15.6).  In every season he played at least 50 games he has never averaged less than 8.1 boards (which was this year, in which he was injured, before that 8.8 was the lowest).  In otherwords, Amare is actually a solid rebounder.  He isn't a Dwight Howard, but he is definately not poor or even average as has been suggested time and time again. 

For his size and athleticism he is a poor rebounder. That is the real problem, he could be so much better if he had better effort.

It is one thing to give guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh huge money, but to give it to a mercurial player who let Brian Scalabrine dominate him during a game once? Now add in what we'd be giving up to get him, no thanks.

[Moranis]

Amare isn't a good defender or rebounder.... why does he fit anywhere besides Phoenix and Golden State?

Amare's poor rebounding is blown way out of proportion.  The guy is a career 14.8% rebounder, when this past injury riddled season was by far his lowest percentage (as a comparison perkins the last three seasons is 14.1, 14.8, 16.7) and in the playoffs he is a 25.1/10.4 career guy (bumps the board % up to 15.6).  In every season he played at least 50 games he has never averaged less than 8.1 boards (which was this year, in which he was injured, before that 8.8 was the lowest).  In otherwords, Amare is actually a solid rebounder.  He isn't a Dwight Howard, but he is definately not poor or even average as has been suggested time and time again. 

For his size and athleticism he is a poor rebounder. That is the real problem, he could be so much better if he had better effort.

It is one thing to give guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh huge money, but to give it to a mercurial player who let Brian Scalabrine dominate him during a game once? Now add in what we'd be giving up to get him, no thanks.

He is the same height as Perkins (though not nearly the mass) and they have virtually the same rebound percentage (i.e. % of rebounds grabbed verse available rebounds).  Perkins is thought of as a great rebounder, yet Amare is not.  It doesn't make sense.

Amare is a fine rebounder and certainly far better than he is given credit for.

[Fafnir]

Amare isn't a good defender or rebounder.... why does he fit anywhere besides Phoenix and Golden State?

Amare's poor rebounding is blown way out of proportion.  The guy is a career 14.8% rebounder, when this past injury riddled season was by far his lowest percentage (as a comparison perkins the last three seasons is 14.1, 14.8, 16.7) and in the playoffs he is a 25.1/10.4 career guy (bumps the board % up to 15.6).  In every season he played at least 50 games he has never averaged less than 8.1 boards (which was this year, in which he was injured, before that 8.8 was the lowest).  In otherwords, Amare is actually a solid rebounder.  He isn't a Dwight Howard, but he is definately not poor or even average as has been suggested time and time again. 

For his size and athleticism he is a poor rebounder. That is the real problem, he could be so much better if he had better effort.

It is one thing to give guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh huge money, but to give it to a mercurial player who let Brian Scalabrine dominate him during a game once? Now add in what we'd be giving up to get him, no thanks.

He is the same height as Perkins (though not nearly the mass) and they have virtually the same rebound percentage (i.e. % of rebounds grabbed verse available rebounds).  Perkins is thought of as a great rebounder, yet Amare is not.  It doesn't make sense.

Amare is a fine rebounder and certainly far better than he is given credit for.

Perk is a good rebounder, not a great one. And like I said, Amare has much better athleticism and hands than Perk does. So he should be a better rebounder than he is.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'll give you that amare is a slightly better rebounder than he's given credit for, but its not like this is his first injury riddled season....at what point do people start getting that he's a very fragile big?

Robert Swift is a fragile big.  Amare got raked across the face and his retina detached.  It's a freak injury, which would have happened to anybody.  (Unless some guys have naturally weak connective tissue in their retinas?)

so you have no concerns about a knee operation that has been shown to weaken the knee for further injuries, nor the elbow injury in his second year (albit this was sorta minor as i recall)?

He's had no further problems with the knee for three seasons, and no problems with the elbow for five.  It's not like they're recurring issues with him.  Sometimes, surgery fixes the problem.

[Bankshot]

Amare isn't a good defender or rebounder.... why does he fit anywhere besides Phoenix and Golden State?

Amare's poor rebounding is blown way out of proportion.  The guy is a career 14.8% rebounder, when this past injury riddled season was by far his lowest percentage (as a comparison perkins the last three seasons is 14.1, 14.8, 16.7) and in the playoffs he is a 25.1/10.4 career guy (bumps the board % up to 15.6).  In every season he played at least 50 games he has never averaged less than 8.1 boards (which was this year, in which he was injured, before that 8.8 was the lowest).  In otherwords, Amare is actually a solid rebounder.  He isn't a Dwight Howard, but he is definately not poor or even average as has been suggested time and time again. 

For his size and athleticism he is a poor rebounder. That is the real problem, he could be so much better if he had better effort.

It is one thing to give guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh huge money, but to give it to a mercurial player who let Brian Scalabrine dominate him during a game once? Now add in what we'd be giving up to get him, no thanks.

Yep.  And Scal dominated him after he said he was going to play like a beast. LOL  He doesn't like to play defense. Remember when Porter wanted them to play defense and he complained?   No thanks.

[Moranis]

Amare isn't a good defender or rebounder.... why does he fit anywhere besides Phoenix and Golden State?

Amare's poor rebounding is blown way out of proportion.  The guy is a career 14.8% rebounder, when this past injury riddled season was by far his lowest percentage (as a comparison perkins the last three seasons is 14.1, 14.8, 16.7) and in the playoffs he is a 25.1/10.4 career guy (bumps the board % up to 15.6).  In every season he played at least 50 games he has never averaged less than 8.1 boards (which was this year, in which he was injured, before that 8.8 was the lowest).  In otherwords, Amare is actually a solid rebounder.  He isn't a Dwight Howard, but he is definately not poor or even average as has been suggested time and time again. 

For his size and athleticism he is a poor rebounder. That is the real problem, he could be so much better if he had better effort.

It is one thing to give guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh huge money, but to give it to a mercurial player who let Brian Scalabrine dominate him during a game once? Now add in what we'd be giving up to get him, no thanks.

He is the same height as Perkins (though not nearly the mass) and they have virtually the same rebound percentage (i.e. % of rebounds grabbed verse available rebounds).  Perkins is thought of as a great rebounder, yet Amare is not.  It doesn't make sense.

Amare is a fine rebounder and certainly far better than he is given credit for.

Perk is a good rebounder, not a great one. And like I said, Amare has much better athleticism and hands than Perk does. So he should be a better rebounder than he is.

And Perkins has a much wider body with a lot longer arms, by that rationale he should be a much better rebounder than Amare, yet he isn't.

Your skewing reality to prove a point and whenever you have to skew reality your stretching.

[jambr380]

I guess what it really comes down to is would having Amare on this team make us suck? No, of course not- especially if we could pick up a pg with the MLE (ie, Miller). It sounds like this rumor is dying down a bit, but man, it would be so cool to have that dominating of a front line.

[Fafnir]

Amare isn't a good defender or rebounder.... why does he fit anywhere besides Phoenix and Golden State?

Amare's poor rebounding is blown way out of proportion.  The guy is a career 14.8% rebounder, when this past injury riddled season was by far his lowest percentage (as a comparison perkins the last three seasons is 14.1, 14.8, 16.7) and in the playoffs he is a 25.1/10.4 career guy (bumps the board % up to 15.6).  In every season he played at least 50 games he has never averaged less than 8.1 boards (which was this year, in which he was injured, before that 8.8 was the lowest).  In otherwords, Amare is actually a solid rebounder.  He isn't a Dwight Howard, but he is definately not poor or even average as has been suggested time and time again. 

For his size and athleticism he is a poor rebounder. That is the real problem, he could be so much better if he had better effort.

It is one thing to give guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh huge money, but to give it to a mercurial player who let Brian Scalabrine dominate him during a game once? Now add in what we'd be giving up to get him, no thanks.

He is the same height as Perkins (though not nearly the mass) and they have virtually the same rebound percentage (i.e. % of rebounds grabbed verse available rebounds).  Perkins is thought of as a great rebounder, yet Amare is not.  It doesn't make sense.

Amare is a fine rebounder and certainly far better than he is given credit for.

Perk is a good rebounder, not a great one. And like I said, Amare has much better athleticism and hands than Perk does. So he should be a better rebounder than he is.

And Perkins has a much wider body with a lot longer arms, by that rationale he should be a much better rebounder than Amare, yet he isn't.

Your skewing reality to prove a point and whenever you have to skew reality your stretching.

I'm giving my opinion that Amare doesn't give the requiste effort on the defensive end or in rebounding. He's only reached 70% of his true potential as a player, so he's been merely good. He should be very good to great.

Attacking me as stretching the truth or making up facts is unnecessary and untrue.

[jdpapa3]

I think Perk would come off of the bench. Can't have KG defending wings, especially with the knee issue now.

The scariest part of this whole situation is Amare's eye thing. I have read some horror stories about this problem online. I don't think he's even cleared to run yet. Amare is one of the top 3 gifted offensive big men in the league.

Way too much is made of his poor defense and rebounding. I don't think he'd have too much trouble guarding centers in the East. The only scary one would be Dwight. We would kill teams up front with Amare and KG. You can't put single coverage on Amare. He kills everyone in the league.

I think we could get Shawn Marion or Charlie V here if we could promise them a starting spot (if Ray were traded in this deal). I'm just thinking out loud here. Marion's 31 and relies on athleticism a lot, but he probably has been humbled by the last 2 years.

[Thruthelookingglass]

Attacking me as stretching the truth or making up facts is unnecessary and untrue.

Your contributions to this blog are definitely solid Fafnir.

[wdleehi]

I would love Amare, but not at the price of what makes the Celtics contender, defense. 


Perk and Rondo fit that scheme very well around KG.  Replacing them with Amare and a FA PG is going to weaken that defense. 


This is not the way to win a title next year.



Now if the Celtics could swing a trade for Amare without those two, then I would be all for it. 

[housecall]

Amare seems to be a player who is all about his numbers moreso than winning.We need a Big commited to defense and maybe being a role player and not worrying so much about being a 20/10 guy.Amare strikes me to be a player who has to be the primary option on the court most of the time.He would make a good backup to KG at the 4 but im not looking at him as a starter.

[KG_ended_Bias]

Amare isn't a good defender or rebounder.... why does he fit anywhere besides Phoenix and Golden State?

Amare's poor rebounding is blown way out of proportion.  The guy is a career 14.8% rebounder, when this past injury riddled season was by far his lowest percentage (as a comparison perkins the last three seasons is 14.1, 14.8, 16.7) and in the playoffs he is a 25.1/10.4 career guy (bumps the board % up to 15.6).  In every season he played at least 50 games he has never averaged less than 8.1 boards (which was this year, in which he was injured, before that 8.8 was the lowest).  In otherwords, Amare is actually a solid rebounder.  He isn't a Dwight Howard, but he is definately not poor or even average as has been suggested time and time again. 

For his size and athleticism he is a poor rebounder. That is the real problem, he could be so much better if he had better effort.

It is one thing to give guys like Wade/LeBron/Bosh huge money, but to give it to a mercurial player who let Brian Scalabrine dominate him during a game once? Now add in what we'd be giving up to get him, no thanks.

He is the same height as Perkins (though not nearly the mass) and they have virtually the same rebound percentage (i.e. % of rebounds grabbed verse available rebounds).  Perkins is thought of as a great rebounder, yet Amare is not.  It doesn't make sense.

Amare is a fine rebounder and certainly far better than he is given credit for.

Perk is a good rebounder, not a great one. And like I said, Amare has much better athleticism and hands than Perk does. So he should be a better rebounder than he is.

And Perkins has a much wider body with a lot longer arms, by that rationale he should be a much better rebounder than Amare, yet he isn't.

Your skewing reality to prove a point and whenever you have to skew reality your stretching.

I'm giving my opinion that Amare doesn't give the requiste effort on the defensive end or in rebounding. He's only reached 70% of his true potential as a player, so he's been merely good. He should be very good to great.
Attacking me as stretching the truth or making up facts is unnecessary and untrue.

I dont know about anyone else on this forum, but sign me up for a player who is only giving 70% & yet is still averaging 25pt. 9rebs. Sounds like a steal for a hard working 10pt.8ast. guy! With coaching & KG & Perk that effort would at least be 85-95% dont you think? Rondo is still my guy though, but I wouldn't pass on STAT.

[greg683x]

Rondo MAY be great! Amare has already been borderline great for a full season already. 6-10 athletic Studs do not grow on trees & points gaurds guys 6-1 & under are easily found every single year. And I think it extends our window of winning with Perk & Amare 26 & under. A frontline to build on having a Points & rebound guy along with you Rebound, Defense & Toughness guy. A year or 2 around PERK & GARNETT will bring some toughness out of you that you would never think you had. Ask Eddie House! I live in Phoenix & watched Eddie play college at A.S.U & I laugh when I see him get tough. But it just goes to show how 2 defensive minded animals can make everyone buy in including House & Scalabrine. If Amare turned the corner Defensively we are talking top 3 M.V.P discussion every year! 28pt.10rebs. while playing lights out defense will win me over & the voters as well! Remember this guy put Tim Duncan defense to shame & had Duncan singing his praises while the series was still going just a couple of seasons back. Tim had zero answers for Amare while he was in his prime still. Just the type of gifted athlete of that size & quickness rarely seen before. A healthy Amare gives Lebron & Dwight a run for their money athletically & those guys a rarities of the sport.

That is a false statement.  Pass first, pure PG's who can run a championship team and play a high quality brand of defense like Rondo does are the players who do not grow on trees.  6'10" althetic big men with the potential to do what Amare does are available almost every year in the draft.....they dont always pan out, but the odds are better than finding a player that can do what Rondo does.  In fact, there are probably more players like Amare in the NBA right now than there are of Rondo.

and if Amare has only reached 70% of his potential, then what's Rondos percentage?  Amares had a lot more time to realize his potential.