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Who Will Get Bosh?
« on: June 03, 2009, 03:50:55 AM »

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Talk is thick in the air that Chris Bosh will get traded in light of the risk that he'll go in free agency next summer.  If he does get traded, what do you think are some of the likely trades / trade partners?  Any big changes that could make the Raptors (or more likely another team) much better?
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Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2009, 05:17:19 AM »

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Amare is their best bet.

Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 05:46:51 AM »

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I could see Miami being a potential landing spot for either Bosh or Amare. They might be willing to give up expiring contracts and Beasley for either one of them.

Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 05:49:50 AM »

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I still don't expect him to be traded. I don't think Colangelo pulls the trigger until Bosh says he will not return.

If Bosh does say that -- Detroit, Miami, Chicago, Golden State (foolish -- to give up what they'll have to give up, why would Bosh stay there next offseason? ) -- will be the teams who'll go after him the hardest and have a trade package that would interest Colangelo the most. Portland should get involved, but I'm not sure they will.

Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2009, 10:06:39 AM »

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Well - whoever trades for him will require that he signs an extension, like how we got KG.

I still dont understand why the suns want to trade Amaire... probably the only one who can give Dwight a run for his money.

Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2009, 10:08:12 AM »

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Well - whoever trades for him will require that he signs an extension, like how we got KG.

I still dont understand why the suns want to trade Amaire... probably the only one who can give Dwight a run for his money.
No he can't. Offensively Amare is a beast, but defensively he's awful just awful. Plus he gives poor effort often enough.

Dwight has a more well rounded game at this point. And he can improve a ton just by developing a few more post moves.

Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 11:00:16 AM »

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Bosh and Lebron have made it not secret they want to play together and I think they would both re-sign with the Cavs.

Bosh, Banks

for

Wallace, West, Hickson, 2009 first, 2011 first


Pavlovic and Kapano could also be involved if Toronto wants to save more cash.

I realize this isn't the best deal in the world for Toronto, but it is still a good deal (assuming they believe in Hickson as much as the Cavs do).
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Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 11:03:42 AM »

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Well - whoever trades for him will require that he signs an extension, like how we got KG.

I still dont understand why the suns want to trade Amaire... probably the only one who can give Dwight a run for his money.

what faifr just said plus the lingering questions about his health. Now he's had micro fracture and will have to wear special head gear the rest of his career to keep his retina attached.

I like the guy, but he's not exactly durable.
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Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 11:10:52 AM »

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Well - whoever trades for him will require that he signs an extension, like how we got KG.

I still dont understand why the suns want to trade Amaire... probably the only one who can give Dwight a run for his money.
faifr
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But yeah the durability is another factor I hadn't thought about. To me I'd never trade for Amare unless its a steal of Pau Gasol proportions. Remember the game this year when BRIAN SCALABRINE kept him from having any impact on the game offensively or defensively? He had 1 rebound. Just one that game....

Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 11:23:30 AM »

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Cleveland.

Bosh and Lebron have made it not secret they want to play together and I think they would both re-sign with the Cavs.

Bosh, Banks

for

Wallace, West, Hickson, 2009 first, 2011 first


Pavlovic and Kapano could also be involved if Toronto wants to save more cash.

I realize this isn't the best deal in the world for Toronto, but it is still a good deal (assuming they believe in Hickson as much as the Cavs do).

I don't think that Toronto gets enough here.  They need a player with real potential back for Bosh.  I'd think they could almost certainly get Beasley which itself is more than this proposed package.
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Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 04:24:18 PM »

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Cleveland.

Bosh and Lebron have made it not secret they want to play together and I think they would both re-sign with the Cavs.

Bosh, Banks

for

Wallace, West, Hickson, 2009 first, 2011 first


Pavlovic and Kapano could also be involved if Toronto wants to save more cash.

I realize this isn't the best deal in the world for Toronto, but it is still a good deal (assuming they believe in Hickson as much as the Cavs do).

I don't think that Toronto gets enough here.  They need a player with real potential back for Bosh.  I'd think they could almost certainly get Beasley which itself is more than this proposed package.
I'm not sure Miami trades Beasley for Bosh, unless of course Miami can get an extension worked out before the trade.
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Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2009, 04:33:06 PM »

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Man I hope Toronto doesn't trade within the conference. Please don't trade within the conference, Toronto. Please.

Phoenix makes sense ideally.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o9la48

I mean ideally for us.

Bosh+Kapono for Barbosa+Stoudamire? Oh yeah.

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Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2009, 04:43:05 PM »

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I still don't expect him to be traded. I don't think Colangelo pulls the trigger until Bosh says he will not return.

If Bosh does say that -- Detroit, Miami, Chicago, Golden State (foolish -- to give up what they'll have to give up, why would Bosh stay there next offseason? ) -- will be the teams who'll go after him the hardest and have a trade package that would interest Colangelo the most. Portland should get involved, but I'm not sure they will.

Portland should def get involved...it'll cost LaMarcus Aldridge but that's worth it.

Aldridge Webster and Outlaw gets it done. Toronto probably gets most overall talent, but Portland gets the impact. And Bosh is a much better player than Aldridge.

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Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2009, 05:29:30 PM »

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Cleveland.

Bosh and Lebron have made it not secret they want to play together and I think they would both re-sign with the Cavs.

Bosh, Banks
for
Wallace, West, Hickson, 2009 first, 2011 first

Pavlovic and Kapano could also be involved if Toronto wants to save more cash.

I realize this isn't the best deal in the world for Toronto, but it is still a good deal (assuming they believe in Hickson as much as the Cavs do).
I don't think that Toronto gets enough here.  They need a player with real potential back for Bosh.  I'd think they could almost certainly get Beasley which itself is more than this proposed package.
I'm not sure Miami trades Beasley for Bosh, unless of course Miami can get an extension worked out before the trade.
Bosh would sign an extension to be in Miami with Dwyane Wade, as long as Wade also signs one, which I think would happen. And it's probably worthwhile to give up Beasley, a 20-year-old who may or may not develop into a true power forward and All Star, and may forever be a 3/4 hybrid one-dimensional scorer, to get a 25-year-old proven, bona fide All Star power forward, especially since Wade probably won't have a long prime with the wear and tear he's taken and taking.

While I agree Cleveland would absolutely love the trade proposed above, you have to give up some value to get a guy like Bosh and I don't think anybody outside Cleveland is that high on Hickson. Think of the Garnett trade. Garnett is much better than Bosh, but Garnett was 31 at the time of the trade, and Minnesota didn't want to pay him a ton of money for two more years. Bosh is 25 now, and Toronto wants to keep paying him; the risk is that he walks after next season. Minnesota got to save a bunch of money (one of their goals), got a potential future All Star big man in Jefferson, got a couple of young role players, and got a couple of relatively meaningless draft picks. All Cleveland is offering in this scenario is the expiring contract (which is not what Toronto wants - if they just want to save money, they can just let Bosh walk), the meaningless draft picks, and the role players. You're missing that potential All Star. And considering how much younger Bosh is, you have to include a really good young player.

So there's no way Toronto makes that deal in the offseason. Maybe if Bosh made it clear he wasn't staying during the season, Toronto would consider it midseason, but by that time, Wallace will likely be bought out so you'd have to make it Ilgauskas.


Say Toronto decides midseason to trade Bosh, I think its top priority would be bringing back a young big man with a lot of potential, secondary goals would be some draft picks and somebody taking on the contracts of Kapono and Banks. That comes out to $26,456,872 in outgoing salary. The team trading would have to send, then, somewhere between $21,200,000 and $33,000,000 in contracts back.

Cleveland's offer of Ilgauskas, Pavlovic, West, Hickson, cash and (late first round) draft picks works numbers-wise, but doesn't give them a top-notch player. It's basically West, Hickson, about $7.5 million in savings, cash, and two likely late-first round draft picks (since sending Bosh to Cleveland probably guarantees both Lebron and Bosh stay there and win a lot of games every season).

Miami, meanwhile, can offer Beasley plus Jermaine O'Neal, better draft picks (including Toronto's own top 10 protected 2010 first rounder), and cash. The Raptors get maybe about $2 million less in savings, but they actually get a young potential star player, who can play the 3, letting Bargnani play the 4 and opening up room to bring in a center, or can play the 4 alongside Bargnani or a true center in a smaller lineup. Alternatively, Miami could send Mark Blount, Udonis Haslem and Dorrell Wright (all expiring contracts) instead of O'Neal, and Toronto gets a little bit more savings than they would've gotten from Cleveland in addition to the star and picks and cash.

In the second scenario, Miami ends up with a lineup of Chalmers-Wade-Jones-Bosh-O'Neal, with Cook, Kapono, and Banks off the bench, plus whatever big man they sign this offseason (whether they make the trade or not, they need to pick up another big man). Thing is, even if they don't include Beasley, they can probably offer a deal about as good as what Cleveland can offer. So while Bosh could end up in Cleveland by free agency, he won't be there next year.

By the way, do you realize Miami, one of the best free agent destinations in the NBA, has NO money committed in salary past this season? They'll pick up options on Beasley, Cook, Chalmers, and probably James Jones, but even then, that's only $8-$12.6 million (depending on Jones) - leaving more than enough to resign Wade and bring in any other player who wants to switch cities.  
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Re: Who Will Get Bosh?
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2009, 05:32:25 PM »

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my question is: DOes any team aquiring Bosh also get the rights to offer him a max deal?

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