so ............ what about this sign & trade idea ?? that sounds to me like possibly the most beneficial scenario for the celtics - we have to improve significantly this offseason to allow this group a good shot at another banner.
Sign-and-trade options are going to be very limited due to "base year compensation" rules. In a nutshell, it's going to be very hard to work out.
Just curious Roy, I wasnt able to find any 'window' after signing before a player is traded where this is defined. In other words, if we resigned him then waited 45 days and then traded him would the BYC rules still hinder us? Does contract length play a role? What if we waited until mid season to trade him?
Maybe I am looking at this wrong, I'm not too good at legaleeze.
Generally, a team can't trade a player it signs for a minimum of 30 days (or until December 15, whichever is later), regardless of BYC rules. Sign-and-trades give a 48 hour window of opportunity to complete a trade after a contract has been signed.
In terms of BYC, it restricts player movement for six months or until June 30, whichever is later. Basically, then, that means you can't trade a BYC player for an entire year (as the league year ends June 30.)
In terms of length of deal, sign-and-trade contracts must be for at least three seasons, but only the first season has to be guaranteed.
It seems like to me in a case like this we just add some cash to make up any diference. The whole 125% of a 4 million per contract (example) doesnt seem to be that big of an issue.
I was reading an NBA FAQ page about the CBO and it didnt look that difficult to me. Maybe I am looking at this wrong, I'm not too good at legaleeze.
Cash doesn't count in a trade in terms of making salaries match. In terms of BYC, it's confusing and complicated, but here's what I posted elsewhere:
Base Year Compensation rules make it pretty tough to pull off a sign and trade for BBD. For instance, if BBD signs for $4.0 million in his first year, there is *no* 1-for-1 trade that could be made for him under BYC rules. There may be some wiggle room by including a minimum salary player, but there's not much.
By example:
Let's say BBD signs for $4 million in the first year, and we want to trade him to Chicago (just chosen randomly).
For BYC purposes, BBD's salary counts as a $2 million salary going to Chicago. To fit within trade rules, the most salary Chicago can send us is 125% of that amount, plus $100k. That amounts to $2.6 million.
Does that mean we can acquire a player making $2.6 million, then? No. The trade has to work from our end, too, and from our end, we have to count BBD's entire $4 million salary. The absolute least amount we could trade a $4 million salary for is $3.12 million. As you see, that's still more than the $2.6 million Chicago can send out.
Now, one way around this would be to include a minimum salary player, because minimum salary players don't have to be counted as incoming salary in a trade. However, as you can see, it's fairly complicated (and I probably made it even more so with a confusing explanation).
Basically, the two teams have different rules they need to operate under, and the player's value shifts depending upon which side of the equation you're on (old team vs. new team) which makes it very difficult to pull off a trade.
Here's a bunch more:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q73
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