R. Allen for Pryzbilla, Blake, and Webster

[CelticWes34]

Even since the C's season ended it seems like we constantly get on here and see a new 15,000 trade Ray posts. Now, for the most part, I would prefer to see Ray stay in green for this coming season. However, Danny has to do what's right for the team and its future, even if that means making decisions that we will all hate.

I just read earlier that Portland is desperately wanting to improve their team. If they could give up three role players for a player such as Allen then you have to do it. As much as I would hate to see Ray go, it's something that's part of this game.

With that said, I would be all for this swap as long as a couple changes were made. For instance, I would much rather want Fernandez in this deal to go along with Pryzbilla and Blake. However, I don't see Portland getting rid of Rudy so maybe Danny could pry away Outlaw instead of Webster.

This trade would solidify the backcourt as well as the frontcourt (provided we re-sign Davis or use the MLE on McDyess or Sheed to backup KG).

Like I said, I love Ray Allen. However, if we lose him in order to improve our team with three quality players then you have to do it.

[Moranis]

with all the recent rumors about Portland wanting to cut salary, perhaps they would be willing to do a Ray Allen for Pyzbilla, Blake, Webster, and Outlaw trade.  It saves them some money, though they could probably save more money elsewhere, I'm not sure they would find a player like Ray Allen waiting for them.

Exchange Fernandez for either Webster or Outlaw, and I would listen. 

In a trade like this, the C's need to be getting back at least one player who projects to be an above average NBA player, and the only one I think likely to be that is Fernandez. 

I know you like Webster, but there is no way I would take him as the key to a trade for Ray...especially given the recent news that he STILL cannot physically play basketball.

Webster is definitly a no go in this type of trade now.

I still think Joel, Steve, and Travis is a pretty nice young group of players that would all help the C's both next year and long term (if we chose to re-sign them).  You just bury Webster until he can play (unless there is some rule I'm unaware of saying you can't trade injured players).

[wdleehi]

with all the recent rumors about Portland wanting to cut salary, perhaps they would be willing to do a Ray Allen for Pyzbilla, Blake, Webster, and Outlaw trade.  It saves them some money, though they could probably save more money elsewhere, I'm not sure they would find a player like Ray Allen waiting for them.

Exchange Fernandez for either Webster or Outlaw, and I would listen. 

In a trade like this, the C's need to be getting back at least one player who projects to be an above average NBA player, and the only one I think likely to be that is Fernandez. 

I know you like Webster, but there is no way I would take him as the key to a trade for Ray...especially given the recent news that he STILL cannot physically play basketball.

Webster is definitly a no go in this type of trade now.

I still think Joel, Steve, and Travis is a pretty nice young group of players that would all help the C's both next year and long term (if we chose to re-sign them).  You just bury Webster until he can play (unless there is some rule I'm unaware of saying you can't trade injured players).

The Celtics will likely already have one injured player (Powe) taking up a spot.  Throw in a couple projects still sitting there and the Celtics are running out of roster spots to keep another player.  Now if they could dump all the projects, then it makes more sense. 

[Chris]

with all the recent rumors about Portland wanting to cut salary, perhaps they would be willing to do a Ray Allen for Pyzbilla, Blake, Webster, and Outlaw trade.  It saves them some money, though they could probably save more money elsewhere, I'm not sure they would find a player like Ray Allen waiting for them.

Exchange Fernandez for either Webster or Outlaw, and I would listen. 

In a trade like this, the C's need to be getting back at least one player who projects to be an above average NBA player, and the only one I think likely to be that is Fernandez. 

I know you like Webster, but there is no way I would take him as the key to a trade for Ray...especially given the recent news that he STILL cannot physically play basketball.

Webster is definitly a no go in this type of trade now.

I still think Joel, Steve, and Travis is a pretty nice young group of players that would all help the C's both next year and long term (if we chose to re-sign them).  You just bury Webster until he can play (unless there is some rule I'm unaware of saying you can't trade injured players).

Przybilla and Blake (and to a lesser extent Outlaw) are not players you build around, they are replacable role players that you put around stars.  While they would be great pieces to get in a deal for Ray, if they were surrounding a future core building block or two, they are not building blocks themselves.

In any trade of Ray, you need to get at least 1 future core building block in return, and unless Webster is that guy (and I don't see anyway to argue that he is, given his injury, and his general lack of productivity before the injury), then this deal is a no-go for the C's.

And by the way, I think this is a no-go for Portland too.  They are not trying to create cap room for next year, they are trying to create it for THIS summer, so they can go after a starting PG or SF.  Really, the only value this trade has for Portland is trading all of those smaller pieces for Ray Allen...who happens to play the same position as their best player. 

[Brickowski]

I would trade Ray Allen for Przybilla, Blake and Outlaw, but not Webster.  Unfortunately, my deal doesn't work unless Portland throws in another player.

How about something simpler: Tony Allen and a future 2nd rounder for Sergio Rodriguez?

[Chris]

I would trade Ray Allen for Przybilla, Blake and Outlaw, but not Webster.  Unfortunately, my deal doesn't work unless Portland throws in another player.

How about something simpler: Tony Allen and a future 2nd rounder for Sergio Rodriguez?

I am not a fan of Sergio...but I am even less of a fan of Tony, so I love it!

[Brickowski]

Well I am a fan of Tony Allen but he can't seem to stay healthy and he's not the outside shooter they need to complement Pierce.

[Moranis]

with all the recent rumors about Portland wanting to cut salary, perhaps they would be willing to do a Ray Allen for Pyzbilla, Blake, Webster, and Outlaw trade.  It saves them some money, though they could probably save more money elsewhere, I'm not sure they would find a player like Ray Allen waiting for them.

Exchange Fernandez for either Webster or Outlaw, and I would listen. 

In a trade like this, the C's need to be getting back at least one player who projects to be an above average NBA player, and the only one I think likely to be that is Fernandez. 

I know you like Webster, but there is no way I would take him as the key to a trade for Ray...especially given the recent news that he STILL cannot physically play basketball.

Webster is definitly a no go in this type of trade now.

I still think Joel, Steve, and Travis is a pretty nice young group of players that would all help the C's both next year and long term (if we chose to re-sign them).  You just bury Webster until he can play (unless there is some rule I'm unaware of saying you can't trade injured players).

Przybilla and Blake (and to a lesser extent Outlaw) are not players you build around, they are replacable role players that you put around stars.  While they would be great pieces to get in a deal for Ray, if they were surrounding a future core building block or two, they are not building blocks themselves.

In any trade of Ray, you need to get at least 1 future core building block in return, and unless Webster is that guy (and I don't see anyway to argue that he is, given his injury, and his general lack of productivity before the injury), then this deal is a no-go for the C's.

And by the way, I think this is a no-go for Portland too.  They are not trying to create cap room for next year, they are trying to create it for THIS summer, so they can go after a starting PG or SF.  Really, the only value this trade has for Portland is trading all of those smaller pieces for Ray Allen...who happens to play the same position as their best player. 

unless my math was wrong the trade would save them around a million dollars this year, which may not be enough to make them pull trigger, but it is some cash.

[Cman]

How about something simpler: Tony Allen and a future 2nd rounder for Sergio Rodriguez?

I love it, but if my math is right, it doesn't work (Tony's contract is more 100K+125%*Sergio's contract).

[Chris]

with all the recent rumors about Portland wanting to cut salary, perhaps they would be willing to do a Ray Allen for Pyzbilla, Blake, Webster, and Outlaw trade.  It saves them some money, though they could probably save more money elsewhere, I'm not sure they would find a player like Ray Allen waiting for them.

Exchange Fernandez for either Webster or Outlaw, and I would listen. 

In a trade like this, the C's need to be getting back at least one player who projects to be an above average NBA player, and the only one I think likely to be that is Fernandez. 

I know you like Webster, but there is no way I would take him as the key to a trade for Ray...especially given the recent news that he STILL cannot physically play basketball.

Webster is definitly a no go in this type of trade now.

I still think Joel, Steve, and Travis is a pretty nice young group of players that would all help the C's both next year and long term (if we chose to re-sign them).  You just bury Webster until he can play (unless there is some rule I'm unaware of saying you can't trade injured players).

Przybilla and Blake (and to a lesser extent Outlaw) are not players you build around, they are replacable role players that you put around stars.  While they would be great pieces to get in a deal for Ray, if they were surrounding a future core building block or two, they are not building blocks themselves.

In any trade of Ray, you need to get at least 1 future core building block in return, and unless Webster is that guy (and I don't see anyway to argue that he is, given his injury, and his general lack of productivity before the injury), then this deal is a no-go for the C's.

And by the way, I think this is a no-go for Portland too.  They are not trying to create cap room for next year, they are trying to create it for THIS summer, so they can go after a starting PG or SF.  Really, the only value this trade has for Portland is trading all of those smaller pieces for Ray Allen...who happens to play the same position as their best player. 

unless my math was wrong the trade would save them around a million dollars this year, which may not be enough to make them pull trigger, but it is some cash.

No, it actually costs them a lot more of that, since Outlaw and Blake are not guaranteed.  If they want the cap space, they can simply cut them, which will give them significantly more cap space this summer than trading them for someone like Allen.

So like I said, the only benefit for them in trading for Allen would be having Allen on the floor.  And I don't think he is what they need.

[Moranis]

with all the recent rumors about Portland wanting to cut salary, perhaps they would be willing to do a Ray Allen for Pyzbilla, Blake, Webster, and Outlaw trade.  It saves them some money, though they could probably save more money elsewhere, I'm not sure they would find a player like Ray Allen waiting for them.

Exchange Fernandez for either Webster or Outlaw, and I would listen. 

In a trade like this, the C's need to be getting back at least one player who projects to be an above average NBA player, and the only one I think likely to be that is Fernandez. 

I know you like Webster, but there is no way I would take him as the key to a trade for Ray...especially given the recent news that he STILL cannot physically play basketball.

Webster is definitly a no go in this type of trade now.

I still think Joel, Steve, and Travis is a pretty nice young group of players that would all help the C's both next year and long term (if we chose to re-sign them).  You just bury Webster until he can play (unless there is some rule I'm unaware of saying you can't trade injured players).

Przybilla and Blake (and to a lesser extent Outlaw) are not players you build around, they are replacable role players that you put around stars.  While they would be great pieces to get in a deal for Ray, if they were surrounding a future core building block or two, they are not building blocks themselves.

In any trade of Ray, you need to get at least 1 future core building block in return, and unless Webster is that guy (and I don't see anyway to argue that he is, given his injury, and his general lack of productivity before the injury), then this deal is a no-go for the C's.

And by the way, I think this is a no-go for Portland too.  They are not trying to create cap room for next year, they are trying to create it for THIS summer, so they can go after a starting PG or SF.  Really, the only value this trade has for Portland is trading all of those smaller pieces for Ray Allen...who happens to play the same position as their best player. 

unless my math was wrong the trade would save them around a million dollars this year, which may not be enough to make them pull trigger, but it is some cash.

No, it actually costs them a lot more of that, since Outlaw and Blake are not guaranteed.  If they want the cap space, they can simply cut them, which will give them significantly more cap space this summer than trading them for someone like Allen.

So like I said, the only benefit for them in trading for Allen would be having Allen on the floor.  And I don't think he is what they need.

Allen is exactly the type of player the Blazers need.  They need a solid veteran to provide leadership and calm to a very young team.  Allen and Roy could easily play together in the backcourt as they have different styles of play, so it is a huge redundancy.  If Portland had Allen this year, they probably beat Houston in the first round.  They just didn't have that guy to get them through the rough patches and weather the storm.  I have no idea if they make the trade proposed, but Portland absolutely needs to move some of their young players for a veteran leader, it is what their team is missing. 

[Chris]

with all the recent rumors about Portland wanting to cut salary, perhaps they would be willing to do a Ray Allen for Pyzbilla, Blake, Webster, and Outlaw trade.  It saves them some money, though they could probably save more money elsewhere, I'm not sure they would find a player like Ray Allen waiting for them.

Exchange Fernandez for either Webster or Outlaw, and I would listen. 

In a trade like this, the C's need to be getting back at least one player who projects to be an above average NBA player, and the only one I think likely to be that is Fernandez. 

I know you like Webster, but there is no way I would take him as the key to a trade for Ray...especially given the recent news that he STILL cannot physically play basketball.

Webster is definitly a no go in this type of trade now.

I still think Joel, Steve, and Travis is a pretty nice young group of players that would all help the C's both next year and long term (if we chose to re-sign them).  You just bury Webster until he can play (unless there is some rule I'm unaware of saying you can't trade injured players).

Przybilla and Blake (and to a lesser extent Outlaw) are not players you build around, they are replacable role players that you put around stars.  While they would be great pieces to get in a deal for Ray, if they were surrounding a future core building block or two, they are not building blocks themselves.

In any trade of Ray, you need to get at least 1 future core building block in return, and unless Webster is that guy (and I don't see anyway to argue that he is, given his injury, and his general lack of productivity before the injury), then this deal is a no-go for the C's.

And by the way, I think this is a no-go for Portland too.  They are not trying to create cap room for next year, they are trying to create it for THIS summer, so they can go after a starting PG or SF.  Really, the only value this trade has for Portland is trading all of those smaller pieces for Ray Allen...who happens to play the same position as their best player. 

unless my math was wrong the trade would save them around a million dollars this year, which may not be enough to make them pull trigger, but it is some cash.

No, it actually costs them a lot more of that, since Outlaw and Blake are not guaranteed.  If they want the cap space, they can simply cut them, which will give them significantly more cap space this summer than trading them for someone like Allen.

So like I said, the only benefit for them in trading for Allen would be having Allen on the floor.  And I don't think he is what they need.

Allen is exactly the type of player the Blazers need.  They need a solid veteran to provide leadership and calm to a very young team.  Allen and Roy could easily play together in the backcourt as they have different styles of play, so it is a huge redundancy.  If Portland had Allen this year, they probably beat Houston in the first round.  They just didn't have that guy to get them through the rough patches and weather the storm.  I have no idea if they make the trade proposed, but Portland absolutely needs to move some of their young players for a veteran leader, it is what their team is missing. 

I agree that they really need to make a move for a veteran leader, but I think they are better off going after a PG or SF, so they are not forcing their best players to play out of position.

For example, if they are able to open up a little more cap space, they can get someone like Hinrich for next to nothing, and he would provide the leadership they need, at a position they are weaker at. 

[Fafnir]

I think Hinrich would be an excellent move for the Blazers.

[Who]

I think Hinrich would be an excellent move for the Blazers.

I'm hoping this move happens. I think Portland are the frontrunner for him.

[Moranis]

Hinrich isn't really that much better than what they have though, which is the problem and his contract is pretty big.  I don't see the Blazers going after Hinrich at all.  The free agents people constantly mention the C's going after, would make sense for the Blazers, you know Grant Hill, Antonio McDyess, etc.  Or a package of some of their younger players for an upgrade in the starting five, ala the move for Ray Allen would make sense.  Hinrich isn't much of an upgrade and his contract is problematic.