R. Allen for Pryzbilla, Blake, and Webster

[the TRUTH]

I like this trade because the C's immediately and unquestionably get a whole lot worse the second it happens. No hassle of waiting around to see who gets the better side of this trade.

Hilarious, thanks for the laugh!

[the TRUTH]

I don't think we get enough in exchange for Ray in this deal. Ray is too valuable for that.

I love adding Pryzbilla, but am not willing to give up Ray for this package. If we could keep Ray, a combination of Perk and Pryzbilla at center would be scary. From there, if we could somehow land a legit backup SF, I think we definitely win the title assuming decent health.

So, if we could somehow come up with another package (not involving any of our starters) that would net Pryzbilla, that'd be great.

[Moranis]

  I don't like the idea of trading stars for depth. I'd rather have Ray/Hill/Sheed or McDyess than Pryzbilla, Blake and Webster, regardless of who our backup pg is.

While I don't hate the trade idea, keeping Allen and getting Hill and McDyess (or somehow Rasheed) is definitely better than those three. I also agree that Fernandez would probably be the guy to target in a deal with portland.

you can do the trade and still sign Hill and McDyess, as you could still use a backup PF and backup SF.

I guess, but then you have a lot of good role players, while lacking that third star. A guy like Ray would be the perfect piece to target in a trade in that scenario.

While I am not totally opposed to trading Ray, I am not all that in love with Przybilla and Webster...

Most people assume Rondo will be that guy.

[Moranis]

I don't think Portland would be interested in this trade. Ray is too old for their needs.

As for Boston, interesting way to go about a Ray Allen trade (three quality role players -- more balance + depth), but I'd like to see a more accomplished third scoring option in the trade. If the C's were getting two other good role players plus the scorer, then the scorer doesn't have to be someone of Ray's caliber, but I'd like to see a proven 15+ppg player. Webster hasn't shown that yet.

Portland won 50+ games and was the fourth seed in the west.  If Ray is too old for their needs, then he is too old for our needs as well.

I was anticipating Rondo being the third option next year (he might surpass Ray anyway).  Webster was an 11 point scorer (in about 29 minutes per) his last full season, and Blake just went for 11 points last year.  I think that is more than enough scoring, when you account for Rondo's projected increased role.

[LarBrd33]

make them throw in Greg Oden while everyone still thinks he's going to be a bust.

[KG Living Legend]

 1st of all the trade does not even come close to working under the salary cap Rules -5 Tommy Points.

 2nd of all......

[Chris]

 1st of all the trade does not even come close to working under the salary cap Rules -5 Tommy Points.

 2nd of all......

That's an overstatement...they could throw in another small contract to make it work.  Its very close to being a match.

But it works with Fernandez in there

[KG Living Legend]

 This is the problem with Trading with Portland and also many other Nba teams. To make this work you would need to put together something like this, Ray for....


 Fernandez, Pryzbilla, Bayless, Webtser, and Blake.

 It works under the trade guidelines. But not in the fair trade department.

 Would anybody make this trade if it included one or two 12t round picks going to Portland.  I would give up 1 no problem.

[KG Living Legend]

 1st of all the trade does not even come close to working under the salary cap Rules -5 Tommy Points.

 2nd of all......

That's an overstatement...they could throw in another small contract to make it work.  Its very close to being a match.

But it works with Fernandez in there

Well the way Real GM works you have to come really close to matching salaries. Those three combines Are 53.2 % added up on real GM.   And Ray alone is 68.3%   So If 15.1 % off is close than it's close.

 Which brings me to my point, that it's so hard to make a trade with Portland because they have so many nice smaller contracts. And we have 3 HUGE contracts. So tuff for Danny.

[Jon]

People need to stop looking at the Red Sox or Patriots as examples of how the Celtics should act.  It's one thing to trade a star for a few good players when you have 53 spots or 25 spots to fill on an active roster, but it's completely another thing when you only have 12.  Moreover, a star in football or baseball doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in basketball.  For as good as Tom Brady or Jason Bay happen to be, if the opposing offense has the ball or someone else is up, Brady and Bay are helpless to help their teams. 

Not so in basketball, where a star can impact practically every play on the course, conceivably for the entire game. 

That's why we absolutely, positively should not trade Ray Allen for anything short of another superstar.  In a close game against Cleveland in the ECF next year, what good will Pryzbilla and Blake be?  Neither will be playing more than a half dozen minutes in a close playoff game.  So that basically means we've traded off Allen for Webster. 

Terrible, terrible, terrible move.

Furthermore, why trade Ray Allen for a new mediocre shooting guard, and a backup center and PG, when we could just go out and sign a backup center and point guard and keep Ray Allen?

It's just totally insane any way you look at this trade. 

[KG Living Legend]

 
 Jon, agreed on your Superstar Point. No question.
 
 However if we could really pull off a trade like the one I mentioned. Joel, Blake, Rudy, Bayless, and Webster.

 Don't you have to think long and hard about it.

[Moranis]

 1st of all the trade does not even come close to working under the salary cap Rules -5 Tommy Points.

 2nd of all......

R. Allen = 18,776,860

Pryzbilla = 6,857,725
Blake =     4,930,000
Webster =   4,344,000
Total =      16,131,725

By my math that falls well within the 25% required.  The trade would need to be made after this season rolls over and the salaries above take effect, which I thought was obvious since you can't really make trades now anyway.

[Moranis]

 1st of all the trade does not even come close to working under the salary cap Rules -5 Tommy Points.

 2nd of all......

That's an overstatement...they could throw in another small contract to make it work.  Its very close to being a match.

But it works with Fernandez in there

Real GM is using this years salaries, not next years, which is what it would need to do.  See my previous post, the math works just fine after Portland's players all get their raises next year.  I've been around a long time, I always check trades before I post them.

[Moranis]

People need to stop looking at the Red Sox or Patriots as examples of how the Celtics should act.  It's one thing to trade a star for a few good players when you have 53 spots or 25 spots to fill on an active roster, but it's completely another thing when you only have 12.  Moreover, a star in football or baseball doesn't matter nearly as much as it does in basketball.  For as good as Tom Brady or Jason Bay happen to be, if the opposing offense has the ball or someone else is up, Brady and Bay are helpless to help their teams. 

Not so in basketball, where a star can impact practically every play on the course, conceivably for the entire game. 

That's why we absolutely, positively should not trade Ray Allen for anything short of another superstar.  In a close game against Cleveland in the ECF next year, what good will Pryzbilla and Blake be?  Neither will be playing more than a half dozen minutes in a close playoff game.  So that basically means we've traded off Webster for Allen. 

Terrible, terrible, terrible move.

Furthermore, why trade Ray Allen for a new mediocre shooting guard, and a backup center and PG, when we could just go out and sign a backup center and point guard and keep Ray Allen.

It's just totally insane any way you look at this trade. 

One problem with this whole thing: Ray Allen is no longer a superstar.  He is a good player, but if Ray Allen is the best player on your team, you are no where near a championship caliber team and probably wouldn't make the playoffs unless you had a whole team full of Ray Allen type players.

[Chris]

 1st of all the trade does not even come close to working under the salary cap Rules -5 Tommy Points.

 2nd of all......

That's an overstatement...they could throw in another small contract to make it work.  Its very close to being a match.

But it works with Fernandez in there

Well the way Real GM works you have to come really close to matching salaries. Those three combines Are 53.2 % added up on real GM.   And Ray alone is 68.3%   So If 15.1 % off is close than it's close.

 Which brings me to my point, that it's so hard to make a trade with Portland because they have so many nice smaller contracts. And we have 3 HUGE contracts. So tuff for Danny.

Unfortunately, the NBA office does not use Real GM to check trades.  If you calculate the salaries based on Shamsports.com, it is off by less than a million dollars. 

 1st of all the trade does not even come close to working under the salary cap Rules -5 Tommy Points.

 2nd of all......

R. Allen = 18,776,860

Pryzbilla = 6,857,725
Blake =     4,930,000
Webster =   4,344,000
Total =      16,131,725

By my math that falls well within the 25% required.  The trade would need to be made after this season rolls over and the salaries above take effect, which I thought was obvious since you can't really make trades now anyway.

What site did you use for the Salaries?  Shamsports had only 4 million for Blake next year...but it wouldn't be the first time they were wrong (although they are much more accurate than Hoopshype in my experience).