R. Allen for Pryzbilla, Blake, and Webster

[Moranis]

*Disclaimer - I only do the trade if Webster's foot injury is healed and he is back to normal.  If he is still injured I would also do the trade swapping Outlaw for Webster, though I'm not sure Portland would do that since Outlaw is expiring and is a better fit for what is left on their team.


Why for Portland:
Portland needs to move some of their non-star but quality players for more elite level players.  Allen is definately older, but that team needs a good quality veteran that can still play.  Allen, Bayless, and Roy would be a solid backcourt combo for them.  They would still have Aldridge and Oden down low (and could re-sign Fyre and also have the mid-1st round draft pick) and would have Batum and Outlaw (or Webster) as the wings.  Fernandez and Rodriguez would also get some backcourt minutes. 

Why for Boston:
Webster could start next to Pierce (the C's would be big, but that would work out fine against almost every team).  He is still very young and was showing solid progression every year until the injury this year (plus his contract is very reasonable).  Pryzbilla is the perfect backup center.  He rebounds well and is a solid defender.  He also doesn't mind coming off the bench and could start if Perkins is ailing.  Blake, like Pryzbilla, is the perfect backup for Rondo.  He is an excellent outside shooter (over 40% from three the last two years) and you wouldn't feel badly if he was forced to start and/or play a lot of minutes (if Rondo goes down) since he has that experience and has done well in that role.


The C's would also have more flexibility going into free agency this year and will have a lot more flexibility going forward.  It significantly strengthens the C's bench, though they do lose some in the starting lineup, but with Allen's age I expect a continued regression from him anyway.  Blake is expiring and Pryzbilla has a player option after the year (I expect him to take it), so Webster is the only guy signed long term and he is making about 4.7 mill a year (so is movable down the road anyway).

[Chris]

Its an interesting trade, but I just don't think Webster is good enough to be the centerpiece of this deal, both because of the injury, but also because he has not been great when he has been healthy. 

I think I would prefer if they substituted Outlaw for Webster...but ultimately, I would not do this deal unless they threw in either Fernandez or Batum as well.  I think both of those guys are going to be very good players, and could step into the rotation right now and be productive.

[Who]

I don't think Portland would be interested in this trade. Ray is too old for their needs.

As for Boston, interesting way to go about a Ray Allen trade (three quality role players -- more balance + depth), but I'd like to see a more accomplished third scoring option in the trade. If the C's were getting two other good role players plus the scorer, then the scorer doesn't have to be someone of Ray's caliber, but I'd like to see a proven 15+ppg player. Webster hasn't shown that yet.

[arctic 3.0]

Its an interesting trade, but I just don't think Webster is good enough to be the centerpiece of this deal, both because of the injury, but also because he has not been great when he has been healthy. 

I think I would prefer if they substituted Outlaw for Webster...but ultimately, I would not do this deal unless they threw in either Fernandez or Batum as well.  I think both of those guys are going to be very good players, and could step into the rotation right now and be productive.

as much as i am reticent to trade allen I would definitely consider pryzbilla, OUTLAW and Balke for allen.

it would kill many birds with one stone. just one concern. outlaw is a perfect fit as a swing forward, however i doupt he could guard the 2 and i know pp can no longer do so. could TA start? poor spacing w/ pp... House... as a starter? not so much. we would need to bring in a two but we would have the money to do so... !ben gordon for the MLE?.. .wow

rondo, blake
gordon, house
pierce, outlaw
KG, BBD(?), Powe
Perk, pryzbilla

[wdleehi]

Webster hasn't shown enough to do such a trade with Ray.

[BballTim]

  I don't like the idea of trading stars for depth. I'd rather have Ray/Hill/Sheed or McDyess than Pryzbilla, Blake and Webster, regardless of who our backup pg is.

[jambr380]

  I don't like the idea of trading stars for depth. I'd rather have Ray/Hill/Sheed or McDyess than Pryzbilla, Blake and Webster, regardless of who our backup pg is.

While I don't hate the trade idea, keeping Allen and getting Hill and McDyess (or somehow Rasheed) is definitely better than those three. I also agree that Fernandez would probably be the guy to target in a deal with portland.

[Chris]

  I don't like the idea of trading stars for depth. I'd rather have Ray/Hill/Sheed or McDyess than Pryzbilla, Blake and Webster, regardless of who our backup pg is.

Me too.  But if they can't do that kind of ideal offseason with the FA, due to either money, or the players going elsewhere, they may need to look to trade Allen to fill multiple spots, and this is the type of trade (although I think the pieces would need to be tweaked a bit) that would make some sense.  But it is probably about plan F right now.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

I like this trade because the C's immediately and unquestionably get a whole lot worse the second it happens. No hassle of waiting around to see who gets the better side of this trade.

[nickagneta]

I'm not sure Portland lets Pryzbilla go. Oden still has proven nothing and as a combo, Pryzbilla-Oden worked for them because it seemed either one or the other was always playing well and they didn't very often play poorly on the same night. Pryzbilla is a very good big man. I don't see Portland doing this.

[Moranis]

  I don't like the idea of trading stars for depth. I'd rather have Ray/Hill/Sheed or McDyess than Pryzbilla, Blake and Webster, regardless of who our backup pg is.

While I don't hate the trade idea, keeping Allen and getting Hill and McDyess (or somehow Rasheed) is definitely better than those three. I also agree that Fernandez would probably be the guy to target in a deal with portland.

you can do the trade and still sign Hill and McDyess, as you could still use a backup PF and backup SF.

[BballTim]

I like this trade because the C's immediately and unquestionably get a whole lot worse the second it happens. No hassle of waiting around to see who gets the better side of this trade.

  Finally, someone who will truly appreciate all the trade Ray threads that we'll see this summer. That's the spirit!

[winsomme]

  I don't like the idea of trading stars for depth. I'd rather have Ray/Hill/Sheed or McDyess than Pryzbilla, Blake and Webster, regardless of who our backup pg is.

exactly. you can't trade a star for backups.

the only trade that would ever make sense for Ray (and I'm not even saying i would do it) is for a younger star with a long contract that a team is looking to unload for Ray's expiring deal...like a Baron Davis or something like that.

by the way, not saying that i would trade Ray for Baron, but that that is the type of situation to consider...

[jambr380]

  I don't like the idea of trading stars for depth. I'd rather have Ray/Hill/Sheed or McDyess than Pryzbilla, Blake and Webster, regardless of who our backup pg is.

While I don't hate the trade idea, keeping Allen and getting Hill and McDyess (or somehow Rasheed) is definitely better than those three. I also agree that Fernandez would probably be the guy to target in a deal with portland.

you can do the trade and still sign Hill and McDyess, as you could still use a backup PF and backup SF.

I guess, but then you have a lot of good role players, while lacking that third star. A guy like Ray would be the perfect piece to target in a trade in that scenario.

While I am not totally opposed to trading Ray, I am not all that in love with Przybilla and Webster...

[Mr October]

I'd rather keep Ray. I really think he has another 3 years of Reggie Miller-esque elite floor spreader in him.

I'm only going to move Ray in a slam dunk deal, where another team is trying to unload a star who has soured on them, or cost too much... Every year or 2 one of these bargain trades happens.