Who is Wyc talking about? (From Real GM via Celtic's Now)

[Who]

I'll say McDyess.  He should be more cost-effective than Rasheed.

I've gone back and forth on this, but i think I have arrived at Sheed because of his length and ability to step out and hit that three.

Length is such a big help in our Pick and Roll defense and something we lacked off the bench this year.

not unhappy with Dice by any means, but just giving the edge to Sheed because of a few added elements he brings to the table.

McDyess is by far the Pistons best pick and roll defender.

Sheed is by far the Pistons worst pick and roll defender.

Sheed's legs are gone, he doesn't have the athleticism he once had, and physically incapable of covering the pick and roll at a high level. It's not a question of desire/motivation, he doesn't have the legs to the job anymore.

[indeedproceed]

How much money are the Celtics under the cap right now?  I doubt they can afford to bring everyone back and sign someone like Sheed.

They are over the cap by a lot. They are over the luxury tax currently even before considering resigning BBD or adding anyone.

All additions will have to be done via MLE/LLE/Trades/Minimum deals. And resigning our own FAs.

Oh.  So, if we are in Salary Cap Hell, why is there a chance of this happening, along with resigning BBD/Powe and getting a backup PG?  Doesn't seem like there's enough money to go around.

In the words of everyone everywhere, "There never is."

[nickagneta]

Wyc's exact quote was  "I have a pesonal guy in mind (as a free agent)..can't say who it is ...I'd like to think we can get somebody like this guy (guy he had in mind)".

http://www.csnne.com/videocsn/video-2/

If he can't say who it is is it because he is still under contract and han't opted out of a contract yet? He said he wanted someone like this guy. Strange way to put it.

After listening and watching the actual interview(which is linked above) I refuseto believe he was talking about Sheed, McDyess or some other aging vet. I think t may be someone with a player's option or ETO who is an impact type guy.

[Who]

Sheed says 8 million or bust...

I don't believe that report. Sheed is a smart guy. He'll have a much better read on his own value than that.

[jdpapa3]

I'll say McDyess.  He should be more cost-effective than Rasheed.

I agree. I've never heard anyone talk about McDyess' character in a bad light either. Do we really want a guy that stopped trying for his team this past year? A guy that is so insane that he picks up technicals in crucial moments? A guy that will whine and moan about Perk starting over him from day one?

I don't like all this "being friends with kg will motivate him" talk. I want guys who get motivated all by themselves. Motivated by winning.

[indeedproceed]

Sheed says 8 million or bust...

I don't believe that report. Sheed is a smart guy. He'll have a much better read on his own value than that.

I believe it just because its being touted around like crazy...in fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if its the agent doing the "leaking".

I think Sheed is in the same place Reggie Miller was 2 years ago, or for that matter guys like Micheal Strahan. He realizes that the season is grind of preparation and hardship, and he's half ready to just say screw it and move on. I think that he's probably looking for an offer so good he can't refuse it.

[winsomme]

I'll say McDyess.  He should be more cost-effective than Rasheed.

I've gone back and forth on this, but i think I have arrived at Sheed because of his length and ability to step out and hit that three.

Length is such a big help in our Pick and Roll defense and something we lacked off the bench this year.

not unhappy with Dice by any means, but just giving the edge to Sheed because of a few added elements he brings to the table.

McDyess is by far the Pistons best pick and roll defender.

Sheed is by far the Pistons worst pick and roll defender.

Sheed's legs are gone, he doesn't have the athleticism he once had, and physically incapable of covering the pick and roll at a high level. It's not a question of desire/motivation, he doesn't have the legs to the job anymore.

my take is that Sheed has been kinda sleepwalking through the past two seasons. if you want to call that his "legs being gone" there's certainly evidence to support that with his lackluster play.

but i think the post Larry Brown swoon of DET has been taking a toll on that group.

to me, Sheed has a couple more years of playing at a high level left, if in the right situation.

as far as Dice goes, I'm not down on him. he's great in rotations. but personally, i want that added length of Sheed.

Sheed has always been a "great when he wants to be" defender. Our team system and star power seems like the right recipe to get a nice couple of years out him.

that's my take anyway...

[Fafnir]

Wyc's exact quote was  "I have a pesonal guy in mind (as a free agent)..can't say who it is ...I'd like to think we can get somebody like this guy (guy he had in mind)".

http://www.csnne.com/videocsn/video-2/

If he can't say who it is is it because he is still under contract and han't opted out of a contract yet? He said he wanted someone like this guy. Strange way to put it.

After listening and watching the actual interview(which is linked above) I refuseto believe he was talking about Sheed, McDyess or some other aging vet. I think t may be someone with a player's option or ETO who is an impact type guy.

Well it could be that he couldn't say who because he doesn't publically tip the C's hand. Or put public pressure on Danny to go get someone when it might not work out. But yeah that player still being under contract is very likely.

It could easily be Trevor Ariza or someone like that.

[Who]

Sheed says 8 million or bust...

I don't believe that report. Sheed is a smart guy. He'll have a much better read on his own value than that.

I believe it just because its being touted around like crazy...in fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if its the agent doing the "leaking".

I think Sheed is in the same place Reggie Miller was 2 years ago, or for that matter guys like Micheal Strahan. He realizes that the season is grind of preparation and hardship, and he's half ready to just say screw it and move on. I think that he's probably looking for an offer so good he can't refuse it.

I can go halfway there with you -- with the idea that Sheed will be willing to walk away if he doesn't get an offer that he likes.

I just don't believe $8mil is that cut off point.

[Fafnir]

I'll say McDyess.  He should be more cost-effective than Rasheed.

I've gone back and forth on this, but i think I have arrived at Sheed because of his length and ability to step out and hit that three.

Length is such a big help in our Pick and Roll defense and something we lacked off the bench this year.

not unhappy with Dice by any means, but just giving the edge to Sheed because of a few added elements he brings to the table.

McDyess is by far the Pistons best pick and roll defender.

Sheed is by far the Pistons worst pick and roll defender.

Sheed's legs are gone, he doesn't have the athleticism he once had, and physically incapable of covering the pick and roll at a high level. It's not a question of desire/motivation, he doesn't have the legs to the job anymore.

I'm sure he doesn't have the quickness he used to anymore. But he can still contribute to the team. I'd be happy with either player.

[indeedproceed]

Wyc's exact quote was  "I have a pesonal guy in mind (as a free agent)..can't say who it is ...I'd like to think we can get somebody like this guy (guy he had in mind)".

http://www.csnne.com/videocsn/video-2/

If he can't say who it is is it because he is still under contract and han't opted out of a contract yet? He said he wanted someone like this guy. Strange way to put it.

After listening and watching the actual interview(which is linked above) I refuseto believe he was talking about Sheed, McDyess or some other aging vet. I think t may be someone with a player's option or ETO who is an impact type guy.

Well it could be that he couldn't say who because he doesn't publically tip the C's hand. Or put public pressure on Danny to go get someone when it might not work out. But yeah that player still being under contract is very likely.

It could easily be Trevor Ariza or someone like that.

I think thats a definite likelyhood.

[cons]

 I'm surprised that no one seems to be worried about Rasheed as a cancer. IMO, he gives many half-efforts out there and seemed pretty content to win one championship, then just collect his check.
 He's got a ton of talent, but to me never fully realized his potential. I see him as this generation's Derrick Coleman, only he was lucky enough (thanks to danny) to end up on a great team that needed him at the right time.
   We took a chance with Marbury, and it worked out OK in terms of he didn't do anything crazy, but he had never won a ring, and that kept him honest.
  But taking another chance on Sheed, especially if Marbury is back, may be too many personalities for Doc to handle.
  Or we could just go for broke and make a run at Artest too. Have the all-dysfunctional team. It'd be fun!

 Anyway, It'd be nice if they could find another big like P.J. Brown was - talented, but also a reliable mature good teammate. Not too many guys like that avaialable.

[winsomme]

Wyc's exact quote was  "I have a pesonal guy in mind (as a free agent)..can't say who it is ...I'd like to think we can get somebody like this guy (guy he had in mind)".

http://www.csnne.com/videocsn/video-2/

If he can't say who it is is it because he is still under contract and han't opted out of a contract yet? He said he wanted someone like this guy. Strange way to put it.

After listening and watching the actual interview(which is linked above) I refuseto believe he was talking about Sheed, McDyess or some other aging vet. I think t may be someone with a player's option or ETO who is an impact type guy.

Well it could be that he couldn't say who because he doesn't publically tip the C's hand. Or put public pressure on Danny to go get someone when it might not work out. But yeah that player still being under contract is very likely.

It could easily be Trevor Ariza or someone like that.

yeah, I agree Faf. the not being able to say point could be just not wanting to tip their hand.

not necessarily a danger of tampering with a signed player.

makes this off season exciting, though, to know that they are targeting guys to give us a big boost for next season.

[Who]

I'm surprised that no one seems to be worried about Rasheed as a cancer. IMO, he gives many half-efforts out there and seemed pretty content to win one championship, then just collect his check.

I don't think he'll be a cancer -- since he won't play enough, and won't turn anyone in the locker room into a malcontent.

But that's just semantics ... I'm with you ... I do worry about his lack of effort, his lack of focus, and his childish tantrums. A lot of negative baggage with Rasheed, and he doesn't have the impact to make that worthwhile, at least not in comparison to a couple of other free agents (like McDyess or Zaza).

[Fafnir]

I'm surprised that no one seems to be worried about Rasheed as a cancer. IMO, he gives many half-efforts out there and seemed pretty content to win one championship, then just collect his check.

I don't think he'll be a cancer -- since he won't play enough, and won't turn anyone in the locker room into a malcontent.

But that's just semantics ... I'm with you ... I do worry about his lack of effort, his lack of focus, and his childish tantrums. A lot of negative baggage with Rasheed, and he doesn't have the impact to make that worthwhile, at least not in comparison to a couple of other free agents (like McDyess or Zaza).

Zaza/Gortat both intrigue me. Getting a young big relatively cheaply can pay huge dividends for a team. Look at what extending Perk has netted us.

The cheap production of Perkins and Rondo has allowed us to have so much money invested in the Big 3.