See what happens when Cavs play competition

[indeedproceed]

You are saying superstars get calls, yet every great play Dwight Howard makes they are trying to take that play away from him.  How is Dwight Howard not a superstar?

Dwight Howard is a superstar. So was Shaq..and Shaq used to get hit more than Ali in the Thrilla in Mannila...he got maybe 2 out of every 5 justified calls. Why? Because he was a brute big man that did work down low. Comparing Lebron to Howard is like comparing JOrdan to O'Neal..its not really appropriate.

Not that I agree with star18 on his opinions of Lebron but, I will agree that he is the recipient of a mountain of calls. Shaq played underneath and was a bully and didn't get 2 out of 5 calls. But he still took way more FTA per game in the playoffs than Michael ever did. Now in my mind Howard is much like Shaq and LeBron much like Michael. People purposefully foul Howard to send him to the line because he's a bad FT shooter. People avoided fouling Michael because he was a good free throw shooter and initiated contact, much like Howard. Yet LeBron goes to the FT line almost 40% more often than Howard.

Given the similarities of their games and where they play wouldn't it be logical to think Howard would be going to the line more often than Lebron much like Shaq did than Michael?

I think this is at least circumstancial evidence that LeBron gets tons of calls.

Well I would say I made the comparison because of the style of play. Obviously Micheal Jordan had less contact than Shaq did, but on the other hand by the virtue of his position he would get fouled less too. The point was that because of their talent level, and their ability to get into the lane, when there is contact there is a much greater chance that a personal will be called in their favor.

But you're right its completely circumstantial. Kinda makes sense though, right?

[star18]

Lets go back to the Red Lobster analogy.  I know all of you love it.  Aren't Red Lobster the haters? I went in and did what I was supposed to do, paid for a meal, they want customers right? And instead of them serving me my meal they stole my money.  I didn't do anything wrong, they did and they did it first.   Aren't they hating by not serving me my meal? Had they served me my coconut shrimp which was what they were supposed to do since I paid not only would I not be called a hater, I would get to enjoy my meal.
Now. Howard blocks Lebron. Its a block. Aren't the refs, the media and Lebron the haters? Howard did what he was supposed to do, Lebron and the Cavs want competition right? Someone to challenge them and be in their poster shot like Atlanta & Detroit. However Howard gets disqualified with 6 fouls.  Had they made the correct call would Howard be called a complainer? Would Howard be called a hater.  I don't think so.   Enjoy that coconut shrimp.

[nickagneta]

Lets go back to the Red Lobster analogy.  I know all of you love it.  Aren't Red Lobster the haters? I went in and did what I was supposed to do, paid for a meal, they want customers right? And instead of them serving me my meal they stole my money.  I didn't do anything wrong, they did and they did it first.   Aren't they hating by not serving me my meal? Had they served me my coconut shrimp which was what they were supposed to do since I paid not only would I not be called a hater, I would get to enjoy my meal.
Now. Howard blocks Lebron. Its a block. Aren't the refs, the media and Lebron the haters? Howard did what he was supposed to do, Lebron and the Cavs want competition right? Someone to challenge them and be in their poster shot like Atlanta & Detroit. However Howard gets disqualified with 6 fouls.  Had they made the correct call would Howard be called a complainer? Would Howard be called a hater.  I don't think so.   Enjoy that coconut shrimp.

So LeBron is like Red Lobster not serving a meal or giving me my money back because he took a shot and it was blocked by another player and someone who LeBron has no control over called it a foul instead of a block??

And all this is related to hating because......okay, I'll have to get back to this one because it still hasn't sunk in.

So if LeBron is Red Lobster...
that makes Howard the......meal? No, the money! No? ummm

Okay Howard is the customer getting screwed by ....the Red Lobster ...no, by LeBron...but LeBron's the Red Lobster.....who hates him because...?? Okay, I'm still not getting the hate part.

So where do the refs and the analysts fit in?

Are the refs the meal??...the money??...the waiter??... the menu??

And where does the [dang] hating fit into this sh.........stuff!!

[dang]...I'm confused.

[star18]

Dwight=customer.  Lebron=waiter. Refs=chefs. Stern=Red Lobster management. I don't think there is hating involved anywhere here.  If you want to use the label, shouldn't it be on the waiter/chefs/managment. Why use that label for Dwight he doesn't deserve it.

[indeedproceed]

lol.

[nickagneta]

I don't know star, either you are brilliant beyond anything I've ever seen or read, like Plato or Socrates or Einstein brilliant, and I just can't grasp the comparison or you are making no sense whatsoever.

I don't necessarily agree with everything you say but I love and respect the love and passion and conviction with which you say it so I'll let others decide on that.

Let's see...

Stern is Red Lobster, Howard is the customer, LeBron is the waiter who doesn't bring the food or refund the money, the refs are the cooks not doing the job of cooking the meal that LeBron isn't bringing because they aren't cooking it and the analysts are the shift manager's praising the job LeBron is doing even though he's not doing anything and they are perceived to be hating on Howard, the customer, because instead of ****ing out the cooks and the waiter they are telling management to  give them raises beyond the minimum salary rate.

Does that Mo Williams's the hostess and Hedo Turkoglu Howard's whiny ugly wife?

[indeedproceed]

I don't know star, either you are brilliant beyond anything I've ever seen or read, like Plato or Socrates or Einstein brilliant, and I just can't grasp the comparison or you are making no sense whatsoever.

I don't necessarily agree with everything you say but I love and respect the love and passion and conviction with which you say it so I'll let others decide on that.

Let's see...

Stern is Red Lobster, Howard is the customer, LeBron is the waiter who doesn't bring the food or refund the money, the refs are the cooks not doing the job of cooking the meal that LeBron isn't bringing because they aren't cooking it and the analysts are the shift manager's praising the job LeBron is doing even though he's not doing anything and they are perceived to be hating on Howard, the customer, because instead of ****ing out the cooks and the waiter they are telling management to  give them raises beyond the minimum salary rate.

Does that Mo Williams's the hostess and Hedo Turkoglu Howard's whiny ugly wife?

Hedo Turkoglu is HOward's weird foreign white friend that you don't think really belongs, but in he back of your mind you know he's seen and done some crazy stuff to be hangin out with Rafer Alston, Howard and Rashard Lewis at 10pm at Red Lobster. He doesn't talk much, but when he does, people listen.

[Rondo_is_better]

Dwight=customer.  Lebron=waiter. Refs=chefs. Stern=Red Lobster management. I don't think there is hating involved anywhere here.  If you want to use the label, shouldn't it be on the waiter/chefs/managment. Why use that label for Dwight he doesn't deserve it.

Hahahahaha Stern = Red Lobster Management. I'll give you a TP for that hahahaha.

[star18]

Thanks appreciate it.  I'm going to Olive Garden instead.   

[nickagneta]

Do Red Lobster's have bars because all this thinking and deciphering of symbolism is making me think I need a couple of good strong drinks?

[Rondo_is_better]

Thanks appreciate it.  I'm going to Olive Garden instead.   

Haha you still hate Lebron though. 

[nickagneta]

Thanks appreciate it.  I'm going to Olive Garden instead.   

Only if you like bad pasta otherwise if it's Italian go to the North End or Federal Hill in Providence and if you are sick of the cheap, horrible seafood at Red Lobster head to Legal Seafood or Anthony's Pier 4. Anthony's, easily the Celtics of seafood restaurants.

[indeedproceed]

Thanks appreciate it.  I'm going to Olive Garden instead.   

Only if you like bad pasta otherwise if it's Italian go to the North End or Federal Hill in Providence and if you are sick of the cheap, horrible seafood at Red Lobster head to Legal Seafood or Anthony's Pier 4. Anthony's, easily the Celtics of seafood restaurants.

If you're going to Olive Garden is that like going to Europe instead of taking the qualifying offer when you're a free agent? Or is it more like deciding to watch baseball during playoff NBA games?

[Rondo_is_better]

Thanks appreciate it.  I'm going to Olive Garden instead.   

Only if you like bad pasta otherwise if it's Italian go to the North End or Federal Hill in Providence and if you are sick of the cheap, horrible seafood at Red Lobster head to Legal Seafood or Anthony's Pier 4. Anthony's, easily the Celtics of seafood restaurants.

If you're going to Olive Garden is that like going to Europe instead of taking the qualifying offer when you're a free agent? Or is it more like deciding to watch baseball during playoff NBA games?

Its more like taking Italian food and giving it a giant middle finger.

[star18]

T on Howard was total nonsense.  Should have been a T on Mo for shooting and missing yet argueing all the way down the court screaming when he missed the shot.  Mo was complaining again because he thought the shot clock should have given him a second. Guess what the shot clock doesn't take into account tenths of seconds. He was lucky they even had a second on the shot clock there should have been 0.   How can you complain on a call when you missed the shot, should be an automatic technical.