See what happens when Cavs play competition

[KCattheStripe]

If you put Lebron on the Heat, instead of Wade, they win 70 games.

Not even remotely true, the difference between the two best players in the nba isn't that big.

[star18]

The difference between the #1 & #7 best players in the NBA isn't big either.  Like anybody is that much better than Nowitzki.

[Steve Weinman]

If you put Lebron on the Heat, instead of Wade, they win 70 games.

Not even remotely true, the difference between the two best players in the nba isn't that big.

Bah, I wish I'd seen this before I posted earlier.  Gets the point across far more concisely. 

Well said, KC. 

-sw

[Fafnir]

"That is not how it always works". Yeah that is how it works.  Orlando won tonight by 30, refs are cheaters.

And further, I find this post rather silly.

You quoted Faf saying, "That is not how it always works" (boldface mine), as in not every series follows the pattern you suggested in as cut-and-dry a manner as you implied.  He then provided an example of this (in fact, I thought of the same one when I read your post), which using a fairly literal construction of "always" would prove his points on its own. 

But I'm coming to learn that this particular argument is liable not to be worth the strain on my fingers.

-sw

LeBron James is the worst player in the NBA. He makes everybody worse. His teammates, players who play against him, the refs, the announcers, the anylysts and experts, the integrity of the game.  Everything.  The NBA would be 10 times better if he never played.

I'm with you SW. He's gone from arguing that Orlando is under rated to just out right Cleveland, LeBron, and referee hatred.

He's not making any substantive arguments anymore.

LeBron got some questionable calls. But that happens all the time. Dwight Howard gets away with a lot underneath the basket and in the post too. Hedo uses his arm like a bat to shed defenders. Reffing will never be perfect. I'm just glad Howard's sixth foul didn't affect the outcome.

[star18]

Its not hatred, I'm just rightly giving credit to the players and teams which deserved to gain the accolades they earned.

[Rondo_is_better]

Its not hatred, I'm just rightly giving credit to the players and teams which deserved to gain the accolades they earned.

Ahem,

"LeBron James is the worst player in the NBA. He makes everybody worse. His teammates, players who play against him, the refs, the announcers, the anylysts and experts, the integrity of the game.  Everything.  The NBA would be 10 times better if he never played."

That is your quote right there. You obviously do hate Lebron and are just twisting what you/others are saying so you don't have to be wrong.

[star18]

No I don't.  I'm just calling him what he is.  A travesty to the game.  The type of player that can take a great block away from a great player like Dwight Howard.  All the guy does is make everybody else look like worse of a ballplayer because of the ridiculous calls and nonsense that goes on during the games.  Game 3 was nonsense.  Next time watch the replay of the full game on TNT.   It is what it is. You take it as hate to justify your own arguements.

[indeedproceed]

No I don't.  I'm just calling him what he is.  A travesty to the game.  The type of player that can take a great block away from a great player like Dwight Howard.  All the guy does is make everybody else look like worse of a ballplayer because of the ridiculous calls and nonsense that goes on during the games.  Game 3 was nonsense.  Next time watch the replay of the full game on TNT.   It is what it is. You take it as hate to justify your own arguements.

I take it you mean he makes the Magic looks worse? Or do you mean his teammates?

Either way, Micheal Jordan got the same types of calls Lebron gets...so does Kobe, and so does Paul Pierce (maybe not as much anymore), and so does Dwayne Wade..and so does Dirk Nowitzki, and so does......

Its the league man. Superstars get calls.

[star18]

Yeah its the league superstars get calls.  Then what is Dwight Howard why didn't he get the block if superstars get calls.

[star18]

This proves it:
I watched Mike and Mike in the morning at 6AM this morning. Erik Kuselias was fillilng in for one of the Mike's.  He started running his mouth about Lebron in Game 3.  Everything he said was false.  Everything he said was a lie.  He talked about how great Lebron was and how he drove the lane on one play in the 1st QTR and dished out to an open Daniel Gibson who missed the three and how Lebron didn't put on a look of dissapointment that Gibson missed but rather got back quickly on defense to make an awesome block on Courtney Lee that was called a goaltend.  Everything Kuselias said was wrong Everything.  First of all it was Mo Williams who missed the shot. 2nd of all it wasn't even that play, it was the next play when Lee stole the ball. 3rd the play wasn't called a goaltend it was credited a block and side out Magic. Of course the "block" was in fact a goaltend but it wasn't called that way. Three lies in 10 seconds from an espn anylyst who supposedly watched the game.  it is downright disgusting.

[Rondo_is_better]

No I don't.  I'm just calling him what he is.  A travesty to the game. 

This really doesn't make your point that you don't hate him stronger. As for everything else you said... well... it has nothing to do with what I said so whatever.

Is you're nickname tornado? Cuz you're a real twister.

[star18]

Its a fact, they way the refs call the games Cavs play in, it takes away the integrity of the game and diminishes other players accomplishments.   I don't hate anybody. And I'm not going to sit there and act like other players aren't getting cheated.

[star18]

And everything else I said does have to do with what you said.  Not only does this cheat certain players and teams it turns anylysts, announcers and experts into downright fools and liars because they do not have the capacity to think for themselves.

[star18]

You are saying superstars get calls, yet every great play Dwight Howard makes they are trying to take that play away from him.  How is Dwight Howard not a superstar?

[Rondo_is_better]

And everything else I said does have to do with what you said.  Not only does this cheat certain players and teams it turns anylysts, announcers and experts into downright fools and liars because they do not have the capacity to think for themselves.

Uhh... I don't know what to say... It clearly doesn't have anything to do with what I said. All I said is that you clearly hate Lebron. Then I quoted you saying he's the worst player in the NBA. Then I quoted what you said, "I don't hate him, he's just a travesty to the game" (as if that statement wasn't a compelete paradox) and said "that doesn't make your point about not hating him stronger".

I haven't even addressed your notion that 1) Lebron's presence cheats other players or 2) that announcers and analysts are all satan-worshiping devils.

You would see that I clearly have not said anything about those other subjects if you were physically capable of conceding ANYTHING in an argument. But you aren't.