Danny has quite a bit of blame to fail us to repeat

[Casperian]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

Posey isnt a big.

Neither is Barnes, what´s your point?

[KG Living Legend]

As i'm watching the lakers vs denver i'm scratching my head as to how danny didn't sign the birdman. He is a legit 7 footer, very active and hasn't made dumb mistakes. (actually has some good skills)

He would have made a difference day and night for our bench and to fend off guys like tyrus thomas, noah and even howard when perk needed rest. (imagine perk and birdman making howards life miserable?)

In addition poseys replacement that was tony allen was a failed experiment. Once again 'im looking at denver's dantay jones and scratching my head. The guy is a legit 6'7 sf, has posey like active defensive capabilities and would of helped tremendously guarding guys like lewis and torkulu.

When you get a chance to repeat it is important to sacrifice the teams long term future to try to get to dynasty status. Not saying what danny did for us last year is taken lightly but even without kg with guys like the birdman and jones, that could of made a difference of night and day in giving us a chance to repeat.

Next year danny needs help us get impact players(not POB)so we can win it again before ray allen leaves, and pierce/kg get too old for the league to make a difference.

Don't know if anybody else said it, but he's not a Legit 7 Feet. He's listed at 6'10" which means he's 6'9".

 He's just so quick off the floor, with great jumping ability, he's really fun to watch.

[crownsy]

Many mention getting a guy like barns(who was signed to a ridicously low deal by phx and would have come to the celtics in a heartbeat instead)

considering he's on record as saying it would have taken an offer "significantly above what i signed for here" to leave PHX, which he loves living and playing in, why would you think this?

[crownsy]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

hows that working out for NO?

I don't blame Danny for not overpaying for an older wing player who won't be worth it in another year, i blame his failure to secure any kind of replacement.

[cdif911]

thanks Danny for green 17

darn you Danny for making KG's knee fail - we know it was your voodoo!

[nickagneta]

The real reason Danny Ainge should be taken to task for last year is that his complete and utter FUBAR of an off season did not effect just last season. I tried to relay this through some of the stuff I said last summer. If instead of concentrating on Posey to the point of ignoring all other options and then being left with flotsam and jetsam thereafter, he had started with a philosophy of trying to get proven veterans to fill roles, he would still have one or two of those players on this roster that would make this off season easier.

It's easy to say that Danny didn't cost us a championship this year with his bad off season because of injuries but did he cost us future championships because we don't have good role players on this team. By taking low risk, high reward risks across the board and then compounding that philosophy by bringing back Tony Allen he has left only one player from last years off season additions that can still be a contributor in the foreseeable future. And even then, Eddie could opt out and go elsewhere, though I think that unlikely.

So instead of trying to wrap up a Barnes or Pietrus or Mason for a few years, he tried the Miles, POB, Allen and rookies route. Now instead of a proven veteran returning to the team next year he has Tony, Eddie, JR, and Walker and has to hope and pray one of this year's rookies can take a major leap to viable NBA player next year.

So this year he has to actually do the work of two off seasons but with the money of only one off season. By squandering the MLE money last year and taking chances on rookies and projects he threw away an opportunity to add one very good, proven veteran for multiple years that could contribute even in the playoffs. Because really, not one person Danny added last off season made any significant contributions this post season. Eddie was good a couple of games but wasn't really a consistent playoff contributor.

[winsomme]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

hows that working out for NO?

I don't blame Danny for not overpaying for an older wing player who won't be worth it in another year, i blame his failure to secure any kind of replacement.

well if we had Pose, it would be one less position we would have to fill out with the MLE and LLE.

we could basically target the top tier backup Bigs on the market....

now we need to do a lot of slicing and dicing to fill out three holes with limited resources.

[crownsy]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

hows that working out for NO?

I don't blame Danny for not overpaying for an older wing player who won't be worth it in another year, i blame his failure to secure any kind of replacement.

well if we had Pose, it would be one less position we would have to fill out with the MLE and LLE.

we could basically target the top tier backup Bigs on the market....

now we need to do a lot of slicing and dicing to fill out three holes with limited resources.

this, once again, assumes that if we were paying james a full MLE offer, wyc is cool with throwing out another MLE offer this year and paying 10 million overall for an additional role player.

I think, as coach Bo and cor have alluded to multiple times, that while it is true signing james would have had no impact on our MLE RULE wise, that the Celtics front office is not comfortable with just tossing out the MLE offer for long term deals. around 70-75 mill seems to be what Wyc will do (which is pretty reasonable, it is the 4th highest payroll, i may be wrong and its 5th...? someone will correct it) and putting the MLE on posey for 4 years would have impacted the budget of the club and its ability to sign role players going forward.

Given that, and given that he has already shown signs of regressing in NO, I don't think danny wanted to tie 5 million into the budget for 4 years.

which im onboard with as long as the hole is filled, and thats where i think the front office let us down.

[nickagneta]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

hows that working out for NO?

I don't blame Danny for not overpaying for an older wing player who won't be worth it in another year, i blame his failure to secure any kind of replacement.

well if we had Pose, it would be one less position we would have to fill out with the MLE and LLE.

we could basically target the top tier backup Bigs on the market....

now we need to do a lot of slicing and dicing to fill out three holes with limited resources.

this, once again, assumes that if we were paying james a full MLE offer, wyc is cool with throwing out another MLE offer this year and paying 10 million overall for an additional role player.

I think, as coach Bo and cor have alluded to multiple times, that while it is true signing james would have had no impact on our MLE RULE wise, that the Celtics front office is not comfortable with just tossing out the MLE offer for long term deals. around 70-75 mill seems to be what Wyc will do (which is pretty reasonable, it is the 4th highest payroll, i may be wrong and its 5th...? someone will correct it) and putting the MLE on posey for 4 years would have impacted the budget of the club and its ability to sign role players going forward.

Given that, and given that he has already shown signs of regressing in NO, I don't think danny wanted to tie 5 million into the budget for 4 years.

which im onboard with as long as the hole is filled, and thats where i think the front office let us down.

Yeah, but he effectively spent the MLE anyway. By giving Tony and Eddie $5+ million a year for two years he effectively spet the MLE from last year and will be paying that amount again this year. Sure, Tony's contract was a Bird's right extension but honestly, would Tony have been signed or Eddie for that matter, if Posey were signed?

Probably not.

So Danny wasted that MLE money last year by spending it the way he did.

[crownsy]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

hows that working out for NO?

I don't blame Danny for not overpaying for an older wing player who won't be worth it in another year, i blame his failure to secure any kind of replacement.

well if we had Pose, it would be one less position we would have to fill out with the MLE and LLE.

we could basically target the top tier backup Bigs on the market....

now we need to do a lot of slicing and dicing to fill out three holes with limited resources.

this, once again, assumes that if we were paying james a full MLE offer, wyc is cool with throwing out another MLE offer this year and paying 10 million overall for an additional role player.

I think, as coach Bo and cor have alluded to multiple times, that while it is true signing james would have had no impact on our MLE RULE wise, that the Celtics front office is not comfortable with just tossing out the MLE offer for long term deals. around 70-75 mill seems to be what Wyc will do (which is pretty reasonable, it is the 4th highest payroll, i may be wrong and its 5th...? someone will correct it) and putting the MLE on posey for 4 years would have impacted the budget of the club and its ability to sign role players going forward.

Given that, and given that he has already shown signs of regressing in NO, I don't think danny wanted to tie 5 million into the budget for 4 years.

which im onboard with as long as the hole is filled, and thats where i think the front office let us down.

Yeah, but he effectively spent the MLE anyway. By giving Tony and Eddie $5+ million a year for two years he effectively spet the MLE from last year and will be paying that amount again this year. Sure, Tony's contract was a Bird's right extension but honestly, would Tony have been signed or Eddie for that matter, if Posey were signed?

Probably not.

So Danny wasted that MLE money last year by spending it the way he did.

but only for short term deals. House had an option (which he'll take of course) but TA is an easy trade for cash (not for high return certainly, but for something) and you COULD do the same deal with eddie.

As NO is finding out, 4 year MLE's are alot harder to move.

[winsomme]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

hows that working out for NO?

I don't blame Danny for not overpaying for an older wing player who won't be worth it in another year, i blame his failure to secure any kind of replacement.

well if we had Pose, it would be one less position we would have to fill out with the MLE and LLE.

we could basically target the top tier backup Bigs on the market....

now we need to do a lot of slicing and dicing to fill out three holes with limited resources.

this, once again, assumes that if we were paying james a full MLE offer, wyc is cool with throwing out another MLE offer this year and paying 10 million overall for an additional role player.

I think, as coach Bo and cor have alluded to multiple times, that while it is true signing james would have had no impact on our MLE RULE wise, that the Celtics front office is not comfortable with just tossing out the MLE offer for long term deals. around 70-75 mill seems to be what Wyc will do (which is pretty reasonable, it is the 4th highest payroll, i may be wrong and its 5th...? someone will correct it) and putting the MLE on posey for 4 years would have impacted the budget of the club and its ability to sign role players going forward.

Given that, and given that he has already shown signs of regressing in NO, I don't think danny wanted to tie 5 million into the budget for 4 years.

which im onboard with as long as the hole is filled, and thats where i think the front office let us down.

i don't know that Pose showed signs of regression. Seemed like he was pretty much the same player he was last year.

As for how much the team is willing to spend, let's see how it shakes down.

[nickagneta]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

hows that working out for NO?

I don't blame Danny for not overpaying for an older wing player who won't be worth it in another year, i blame his failure to secure any kind of replacement.

well if we had Pose, it would be one less position we would have to fill out with the MLE and LLE.

we could basically target the top tier backup Bigs on the market....

now we need to do a lot of slicing and dicing to fill out three holes with limited resources.

this, once again, assumes that if we were paying james a full MLE offer, wyc is cool with throwing out another MLE offer this year and paying 10 million overall for an additional role player.

I think, as coach Bo and cor have alluded to multiple times, that while it is true signing james would have had no impact on our MLE RULE wise, that the Celtics front office is not comfortable with just tossing out the MLE offer for long term deals. around 70-75 mill seems to be what Wyc will do (which is pretty reasonable, it is the 4th highest payroll, i may be wrong and its 5th...? someone will correct it) and putting the MLE on posey for 4 years would have impacted the budget of the club and its ability to sign role players going forward.

Given that, and given that he has already shown signs of regressing in NO, I don't think danny wanted to tie 5 million into the budget for 4 years.

which im onboard with as long as the hole is filled, and thats where i think the front office let us down.

Yeah, but he effectively spent the MLE anyway. By giving Tony and Eddie $5+ million a year for two years he effectively spet the MLE from last year and will be paying that amount again this year. Sure, Tony's contract was a Bird's right extension but honestly, would Tony have been signed or Eddie for that matter, if Posey were signed?

Probably not.

So Danny wasted that MLE money last year by spending it the way he did.

but only for short term deals. House had an option (which he'll take of course) but TA is an easy trade for cash (not for high return certainly, but for something) and you COULD do the same deal with eddie.

As NO is finding out, 4 year MLE's are alot harder to move.

Yes but if he had added Posey or another viable proven vet, there would be no need to trade them because they would be filling a needed role. He now needs to trade Eddie and Tony because they were a failure, though that is mostly Tony's fault with some being  Eddie's for not being able to play PG.

Ainge significantly hurt this team because instead of having a a real presence off the bench with a veteran he could have used the MLE last year on, he has holes at just about every position coming off the bench. He now has to fix last year's failures and then do this year's off season work with only this year's money.

[winsomme]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

hows that working out for NO?

I don't blame Danny for not overpaying for an older wing player who won't be worth it in another year, i blame his failure to secure any kind of replacement.

well if we had Pose, it would be one less position we would have to fill out with the MLE and LLE.

we could basically target the top tier backup Bigs on the market....

now we need to do a lot of slicing and dicing to fill out three holes with limited resources.

this, once again, assumes that if we were paying james a full MLE offer, wyc is cool with throwing out another MLE offer this year and paying 10 million overall for an additional role player.

I think, as coach Bo and cor have alluded to multiple times, that while it is true signing james would have had no impact on our MLE RULE wise, that the Celtics front office is not comfortable with just tossing out the MLE offer for long term deals. around 70-75 mill seems to be what Wyc will do (which is pretty reasonable, it is the 4th highest payroll, i may be wrong and its 5th...? someone will correct it) and putting the MLE on posey for 4 years would have impacted the budget of the club and its ability to sign role players going forward.

Given that, and given that he has already shown signs of regressing in NO, I don't think danny wanted to tie 5 million into the budget for 4 years.

which im onboard with as long as the hole is filled, and thats where i think the front office let us down.

Yeah, but he effectively spent the MLE anyway. By giving Tony and Eddie $5+ million a year for two years he effectively spet the MLE from last year and will be paying that amount again this year. Sure, Tony's contract was a Bird's right extension but honestly, would Tony have been signed or Eddie for that matter, if Posey were signed?

Probably not.

So Danny wasted that MLE money last year by spending it the way he did.

but only for short term deals. House had an option (which he'll take of course) but TA is an easy trade for cash (not for high return certainly, but for something) and you COULD do the same deal with eddie.

As NO is finding out, 4 year MLE's are alot harder to move.

Yes but if he had added Posey or another viable proven vet, there would be no need to trade them because they would be filling a needed role. He now needs to trade Eddie and Tony because they were a failure, though that is mostly Tony's fault with some being  Eddie's for not being able to play PG.

Ainge significantly hurt this team because instead of having a a real presence off the bench with a veteran he could have used the MLE last year on, he has holes at just about every position coming off the bench. He now has to fix last year's failures and then do this year's off season work with only this year's money.

i think i'm with on this, nick.

we'd have fewer holes in the bench to spend the limited money. whether they would spend the money is another story. but at least they wouldn't have as many spots to fill with it.

[BballTim]

You could say the same about James Posey, but it`s just not true.
KG´s injury was the sole reason why we didn`t repeat, imo.
No Posey and no Birdman could`ve changed that.
Sure, someone like Posey could have spelled Pierce and Ray during the regular season, and maybe they wouldn`t have been that tired. Maybe they would`ve made it to the ECF.

But all this talk is moot, and contains too many "If`s" for my taste.
Bottom line: No KG, no championsjip.

I'm sorry, we don't get by cleveland even with KG if the bench remains the same.  Cleveland was better than the C's all year long and that would not change in the playoffs.  Even assuming by some miracle we get by cleveland, we would be underdogs in the finals against the Lakers, and would have been a terrible matchup against them.  denver would be a different story, but still not an easy victory.

The C's bench lacks depth, lacks impact players, and is filled with mostly inconsistent players that once a series may decide to show up (davis being the exception, but if KG plays, he doesn't mature nearly as much as he did).

  We were ahead of Cleveland when KG went down with an easier remaining schedule. We had the inside track for home court and our defense was really coming together. We were also underdogs against the Lakers last year.

Cavs and C's both had 9 losses when KG went down the first time at the end of January and had split the season series at that point.  Cavs lost just 7 games the rest of the way and that includes the three meaningless games in April after they had essentially wrapped up home court.

  When KG hurt his knee against Utah we were 44-11 and Cleveland was probably 41-11. We had an easier schedule going forward, fewer games, I think more home games and less tough games. Not sure why I
m posting this since your rebuttal didn't really contradict anything in my post.

[BballTim]

OK, outside of the Birdman and Barnes, who could he have gotten that would've greatly helped this team?

James Posey

hows that working out for NO?

I don't blame Danny for not overpaying for an older wing player who won't be worth it in another year, i blame his failure to secure any kind of replacement.

well if we had Pose, it would be one less position we would have to fill out with the MLE and LLE.

we could basically target the top tier backup Bigs on the market....

now we need to do a lot of slicing and dicing to fill out three holes with limited resources.

this, once again, assumes that if we were paying james a full MLE offer, wyc is cool with throwing out another MLE offer this year and paying 10 million overall for an additional role player.

I think, as coach Bo and cor have alluded to multiple times, that while it is true signing james would have had no impact on our MLE RULE wise, that the Celtics front office is not comfortable with just tossing out the MLE offer for long term deals. around 70-75 mill seems to be what Wyc will do (which is pretty reasonable, it is the 4th highest payroll, i may be wrong and its 5th...? someone will correct it) and putting the MLE on posey for 4 years would have impacted the budget of the club and its ability to sign role players going forward.

Given that, and given that he has already shown signs of regressing in NO, I don't think danny wanted to tie 5 million into the budget for 4 years.

which im onboard with as long as the hole is filled, and thats where i think the front office let us down.

Yeah, but he effectively spent the MLE anyway. By giving Tony and Eddie $5+ million a year for two years he effectively spet the MLE from last year and will be paying that amount again this year. Sure, Tony's contract was a Bird's right extension but honestly, would Tony have been signed or Eddie for that matter, if Posey were signed?

Probably not.

So Danny wasted that MLE money last year by spending it the way he did.

  Posey was going to be one of our backup point guards? I can see the claim that he spent $5M on TA instead of $25M on Posey but we'd still have needed some backup guards.