Danny has quite a bit of blame to fail us to repeat

[LB3533]

KG's injury in my view was almost certainly the result of wear and tear on his knee. The specific play that he finally aggravatted it on wasn't important, avoidable, or the cause. It was only a matter of time before he came down when jumping and got hurt.

So if you, as a fan or relative outsider, knows this and all the coaches, trainers and management who are all insiders and closer to the situation probably knows more, why wouldn't they do their best to limit the next time KG jumps unnecessarily?

 

[Kuberski33]

It's easy for us to sit here and second guess since we don't have to deal with the realities of the salary cap and luxury tax.  Hindsight is always 20/20 but bottom line is when your key guy goes out for an extended period of time, you ain't winning. It's a fact of life in the NBA.

People also seem to forget Posey was a bargain last year....and he was a bargain because he was willing to accept a short term deal (didn't it have a player option for a 2nd year?) to get his value up so he could cash in -- which he ultimately did.

In two years they've won a title and would have at least contended for a conference title if their star hadn't gotten hurt....I'll take that over the 20 years of horrible basketball and clueless management (Pitino/Wallace/Gavitt/Volk) that we had to endure prior to the KG trade.

[winsomme]

Andersen would have been much better than either POB or Mikki.  However, having him on the team wouldn't have made a huge difference in terms of our ability to repeat, in my opinion.  Once KG went down, it just wasn't going to happen.

I agree with you that when the opportunity to win a championship is there, the team should be more concerned about the present than the distant future.  In Danny's defense, neither Andersen nor Jones was a sure thing.  However, he misjudged the off-season, and his plan -- such that it was -- was a failure in the short term.

I do think it's fair to ask the question if we had a more solid bench, would we have ended up in the position we were in.

remember, it's not just KG that was injured. we now know that all of the Big Three were battling injuries and Paul and Ray were on fumes at the end there.

obviously you can't make a direct link to KGs injury and the filling out of the bench, but i think there is a clear link to the burden that was placed on GPA (and all the starters really) by not having bench players capable and reliable enough to get major minutes during the season as well as the playoffs.

our Title chances i'm pretty confident saying were not severely altered by players Danny filled out the bench with....if the starters were healthy.

but now seeing that ALL of the starters were worked over by the end of the season, maybe we can see that that was the real effect of not filling out the bench better.

not that the bench players weren't good enough to win a Title with, but they weren't good enough to take enough of a load off the starters during the season so as to keep them healthy for the playoffs...

[acieEarl]

Did Danny go all Tonya Harding and club KG and then Powe?

Danny shoulda got Birdman but other than that there wasn't much to choose from with the money they had to spend. Last year the pieces fell together and we didn't have any major injuries.

[Fafnir]

KG's injury in my view was almost certainly the result of wear and tear on his knee. The specific play that he finally aggravatted it on wasn't important, avoidable, or the cause. It was only a matter of time before he came down when jumping and got hurt.

So if you, as a fan or relative outsider, knows this and all the coaches, trainers and management who are all insiders and closer to the situation probably knows more, why wouldn't they do their best to limit the next time KG jumps unnecessarily?

 

I'd like for you to suggest a way for KG to play professional basketball without jumping. Jumping to get an alley oop pass isn't an especially risky play, not for someone of KG's length and height. Should he stop jumping for rebounds too, are those unnecessary?

[Kuberski33]

If Birdman relapsed and wound up suspended again...then Danny would have been hammered for taking a chance on him....

Second guessing is a wonderful thing.

[BballTim]

I hope that unlike some posters, Ainge fully understands he took some really bad decisions last Summer. Otherwise, there's the risk he may repeat it this one and that would be extremely depressing.

  Ainge made a few decisions that didn't work out. That doesn't mean that you can't take a realistic look at what happened. The fact that our bench was bad doesn't mean that we were a worse team this year than we were last year. It doesn't mean we didn't have as good of a shot at the title as anyone else. It doesn't mean that the fact that Danny signed Miles to a non-guaranteed contract and cut him before the season began is an immense blunder. It doesn't mean that Paul and Ray being tired was unrelated to KG and Powe (especially KG) being out of the lineup. It doesn't mean that any player that anyone can think of would have been a great improvement. Let's face it, the people who complained about how well our bench was going to play were right. But many of those people let that opinion dominate their view of all things Celtic.

[BballTim]

KG's injury in my view was almost certainly the result of wear and tear on his knee. The specific play that he finally aggravatted it on wasn't important, avoidable, or the cause. It was only a matter of time before he came down when jumping and got hurt.

So if you, as a fan or relative outsider, knows this and all the coaches, trainers and management who are all insiders and closer to the situation probably knows more, why wouldn't they do their best to limit the next time KG jumps unnecessarily?

 

I'd like for you to suggest a way for KG to play professional basketball without jumping. Jumping to get an alley oop pass isn't an especially risky play, not for someone of KG's length and height. Should he stop jumping for rebounds too, are those unnecessary?

 Too funny. Maybe they should have shown KG some film of Rick Robey playing for the Celts. "Try not to jump any higher than this, Kevin. If we can stick a deck of cards under your feet when you jump you've gone too high".

[LB3533]

KG's injury in my view was almost certainly the result of wear and tear on his knee. The specific play that he finally aggravatted it on wasn't important, avoidable, or the cause. It was only a matter of time before he came down when jumping and got hurt.

So if you, as a fan or relative outsider, knows this and all the coaches, trainers and management who are all insiders and closer to the situation probably knows more, why wouldn't they do their best to limit the next time KG jumps unnecessarily?

 

I'd like for you to suggest a way for KG to play professional basketball without jumping. Jumping to get an alley oop pass isn't an especially risky play, not for someone of KG's length and height. Should he stop jumping for rebounds too, are those unnecessary?

Limit? Who said no jumping?

It iss risky for an aging player complaining about or dealing with knee issues since before training camp.

[Fafnir]

KG's injury in my view was almost certainly the result of wear and tear on his knee. The specific play that he finally aggravatted it on wasn't important, avoidable, or the cause. It was only a matter of time before he came down when jumping and got hurt.

So if you, as a fan or relative outsider, knows this and all the coaches, trainers and management who are all insiders and closer to the situation probably knows more, why wouldn't they do their best to limit the next time KG jumps unnecessarily?

 

I'd like for you to suggest a way for KG to play professional basketball without jumping. Jumping to get an alley oop pass isn't an especially risky play, not for someone of KG's length and height. Should he stop jumping for rebounds too, are those unnecessary?

 Too funny. Maybe they should have shown KG some film of Rick Robey playing for the Celts. "Try not to jump any higher than this, Kevin. If we can stick a deck of cards under your feet when you jump you've gone too high".

LOL TP.

[winsomme]

I hope that unlike some posters, Ainge fully understands he took some really bad decisions last Summer. Otherwise, there's the risk he may repeat it this one and that would be extremely depressing.

  Ainge made a few decisions that didn't work out. That doesn't mean that you can't take a realistic look at what happened. The fact that our bench was bad doesn't mean that we were a worse team this year than we were last year. It doesn't mean we didn't have as good of a shot at the title as anyone else. It doesn't mean that the fact that Danny signed Miles to a non-guaranteed contract and cut him before the season began is an immense blunder. It doesn't mean that Paul and Ray being tired was unrelated to KG and Powe (especially KG) being out of the lineup. It doesn't mean that any player that anyone can think of would have been a great improvement. Let's face it, the people who complained about how well our bench was going to play were right. But many of those people let that opinion dominate their view of all things Celtic.

i'm pretty much in agreement with you on this. If the starters were healthy, I think we were right there for another Title run.

but I do think that the bench deficiencies put an added strain on the starters during the regular season. A strain that I think Danny needs to relieve for next seasons run.

We can say that the starters had as much of a burden in the 08 season, but that doesn't just say to me that they are always capable of carrying this load, it says that they are also probably still carrying the wear and tear of that Title winning season.

and this is not just GPA (who obviously have the most wear and tear being so long in the league) this is also Perk (shoulders) and Rondo (ankles).

I think KG injury or no KG injury, we gots to get bench players that can take away some of the regular season burden.

[Fafnir]

KG's injury in my view was almost certainly the result of wear and tear on his knee. The specific play that he finally aggravatted it on wasn't important, avoidable, or the cause. It was only a matter of time before he came down when jumping and got hurt.

So if you, as a fan or relative outsider, knows this and all the coaches, trainers and management who are all insiders and closer to the situation probably knows more, why wouldn't they do their best to limit the next time KG jumps unnecessarily?

 

I'd like for you to suggest a way for KG to play professional basketball without jumping. Jumping to get an alley oop pass isn't an especially risky play, not for someone of KG's length and height. Should he stop jumping for rebounds too, are those unnecessary?

Limit? Who said no jumping?

It iss risky for an aging player complaining about or dealing with knee issues since before training camp.

So should he only jump for easy dunks during the playoffs? Or would a game against a good team be important enough?

It is absurd to try and limit how much KG jumps. Limit his minutes, sure thing. Limit his post touches? Makes sense to me. But jumping, really?

[winsomme]

KG's injury in my view was almost certainly the result of wear and tear on his knee. The specific play that he finally aggravatted it on wasn't important, avoidable, or the cause. It was only a matter of time before he came down when jumping and got hurt.

So if you, as a fan or relative outsider, knows this and all the coaches, trainers and management who are all insiders and closer to the situation probably knows more, why wouldn't they do their best to limit the next time KG jumps unnecessarily?

 

I'd like for you to suggest a way for KG to play professional basketball without jumping. Jumping to get an alley oop pass isn't an especially risky play, not for someone of KG's length and height. Should he stop jumping for rebounds too, are those unnecessary?

Limit? Who said no jumping?

It iss risky for an aging player complaining about or dealing with knee issues since before training camp.

So should he only jump for easy dunks during the playoffs? Or would a game against a good team be important enough?

It is absurd to try and limit how much KG jumps. Limit his minutes, sure thing. Limit his post touches? Makes sense to me. But jumping, really?

good luck trying to get KG do anything limiting on the court. The guy has two settings - off and full throttle.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

As i'm watching the lakers vs denver i'm scratching my head as to how danny didn't sign the birdman. He is a legit 7 footer, very active and hasn't made dumb mistakes. (actually has some good skills)

He would have made a difference day and night for our bench and to fend off guys like tyrus thomas, noah and even howard when perk needed rest. (imagine perk and birdman making howards life miserable?)

In addition poseys replacement that was tony allen was a failed experiment. Once again 'im looking at denver's dantay jones and scratching my head. The guy is a legit 6'7 sf, has posey like active defensive capabilities and would of helped tremendously guarding guys like lewis and torkulu.

When you get a chance to repeat it is important to sacrifice the teams long term future to try to get to dynasty status. Not saying what danny did for us last year is taken lightly but even without kg with guys like the birdman and jones, that could of made a difference of night and day in giving us a chance to repeat.

Next year danny needs help us get impact players(not POB)so we can win it again before ray allen leaves, and pierce/kg get too old for the league to make a difference.

Ainge is responsible for banner 17, not the failure of raising banner 18. For shame.

[NicaraguanFan]

Imo even with just anderson we would have beat the bulls and magic in 6 games

For the sake of your argument let's suppose you are right. Even more, let's suppose we could handle Chicago and Orlando in four games with Anderson. So that put us versus Cavs. Do you  believe we could have handle Cleveland just with Anderson?   I don't think so, the only way we could have faced Cavs Series is with KG. So no need to blame Ainge.

By the way, we did not need Birdman to defeat Bulls and Magic, even with a healthy Leon we could defeat both of them.

NF.