buy the 21st pick off of NOH to take Budinger

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It makes so much sense for both teams i'm not even gonna write it out in detail. bottom line - the hornets will be very happy to have the cash instead of a player they don't need on a team with plenty of talent. he steps in a fills a need right away for heat off the bench at a cheap price and doesn't take free agent money to do it. and you know ainge loves this guy.....

while we're at it, trade em a pick, cash and scal for julian wright so scott can have one of his guys back and let wright outta the doghouse. ok that's less realistic but i still think chase is the guy danny will covet in the middle or bottom of the 1st round.

[Rondo_is_better]

Ugh I have to disagree strongly. Budinger should be much better than he is, but he's POB-esque and lacks the killer instinct.
I really doubt that he will flourish in the NBA, and I REALLY don't want him taking up a roster spot on the C's.

But whether you think he has potential or not, you have to admit that he is a project player, and the Celtics are not the right place for a project player to land. We don't need a raw player and a raw player doesn't need us.

Therefore, I vote no on Budinger. 

[Lucky17]

I haven't seen him play, so I have no first hand knowledge of the guy. I've heard he's quite athletic, but he also lacks drive/effort.

How much better is he than Bill Walker? 

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Ugh I have to disagree strongly. Budinger should be much better than he is, but he's POB-esque and lacks the killer instinct.
I really doubt that he will flourish in the NBA, and I REALLY don't want him taking up a roster spot on the C's.

But whether you think he has potential or not, you have to admit that he is a project player, and the Celtics are not the right place for a project player to land. We don't need a raw player and a raw player doesn't need us.

Therefore, I vote no on Budinger. 

Raw? Not right -- not a project player or a raw player. He's skilled and mature with a lot of athleticism. What folks question is his motor -- on overused cliche in sports. Why does't he take over games? I don't care i he's 'the man', i care if he can fill a team role. He'll be fine with KG, Paul and Ray.

Lucky, Billy more of a slasher. Chase is more versatile. IMO he's an excellent example of a guy who's better suited to the pro game.

[ToppersBsktball10]

I haven't seen him play, so I have no first hand knowledge of the guy. I've heard he's quite athletic, but he also lacks drive/effort.

How much better is he than Bill Walker? 

Hes not better than Walker. I'd like to get Terrence Williams from Louisiville, 6'8" 2 guard who can play great d and is a triple doulbe machine, hes real athletic just needs to solidify his jumper to make him a star type player.

[Thruthelookingglass]

I've said it before on another thread:  Chase is coming to Beantown and he's bringing chicks.

[Rondo_is_better]

Ugh I have to disagree strongly. Budinger should be much better than he is, but he's POB-esque and lacks the killer instinct.
I really doubt that he will flourish in the NBA, and I REALLY don't want him taking up a roster spot on the C's.

But whether you think he has potential or not, you have to admit that he is a project player, and the Celtics are not the right place for a project player to land. We don't need a raw player and a raw player doesn't need us.

Therefore, I vote no on Budinger. 

Raw? Not right -- not a project player or a raw player. He's skilled and mature with a lot of athleticism. What folks question is his motor -- on overused cliche in sports. Why does't he take over games? I don't care i he's 'the man', i care if he can fill a team role. He'll be fine with KG, Paul and Ray.

Lucky, Billy more of a slasher. Chase is more versatile. IMO he's an excellent example of a guy who's better suited to the pro game.

How can you know how mature he is? What's an example of his maturity? And What makes him well-rounded and experienced (not raw)? I've seen him dunk and I've seen him shoot threes.That's it. Call me crazy but I don't like players who's numbers get worse as they take on a leadership role.

Budingers points, assists, steals, and 3 pt shooting percentage all peaked during freshman year, got worse in sophomore year, and were worst in his junior year. Rebounds and blocks also peaked freshman year.

AND: His assist to turnover ratio, while never very good (1.39 at its peak), also peaked in freshman year. That makes me wonder: If he's so experienced and mature, then why has his A/T ration only gotten worse as the years go by?

Link to the numbers: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31642

[Tradetime]

It makes so much sense for both teams i'm not even gonna write it out in detail. bottom line - the hornets will be very happy to have the cash instead of a player they don't need on a team with plenty of talent. he steps in a fills a need right away for heat off the bench at a cheap price and doesn't take free agent money to do it. and you know ainge loves this guy.....

while we're at it, trade em a pick, cash and scal for julian wright so scott can have one of his guys back and let wright outta the doghouse. ok that's less realistic but i still think chase is the guy danny will covet in the middle or bottom of the 1st round.

How do you know Ainge loves this guy? I think he could have a career like Wally if he plays it right.

I like Budinger, as my avatar indicates, even if he does get his face stomped in every now and then.

[Thruthelookingglass]

Ugh I have to disagree strongly. Budinger should be much better than he is, but he's POB-esque and lacks the killer instinct.
I really doubt that he will flourish in the NBA, and I REALLY don't want him taking up a roster spot on the C's.

But whether you think he has potential or not, you have to admit that he is a project player, and the Celtics are not the right place for a project player to land. We don't need a raw player and a raw player doesn't need us.

Therefore, I vote no on Budinger. 

Raw? Not right -- not a project player or a raw player. He's skilled and mature with a lot of athleticism. What folks question is his motor -- on overused cliche in sports. Why does't he take over games? I don't care i he's 'the man', i care if he can fill a team role. He'll be fine with KG, Paul and Ray.

Lucky, Billy more of a slasher. Chase is more versatile. IMO he's an excellent example of a guy who's better suited to the pro game.

How can you know how mature he is? What's an example of his maturity? And What makes him well-rounded and experienced (not raw)? I've seen him dunk and I've seen him shoot threes.That's it. Call me crazy but I don't like players who's numbers get worse as they take on a leadership role.

Budingers points, assists, steals, and 3 pt shooting percentage all peaked during freshman year, got worse in sophomore year, and were worst in his junior year. Rebounds and blocks also peaked freshman year.

AND: His assist to turnover ratio, while never very good (1.39 at its peak), also peaked in freshman year. That makes me wonder: If he's so experienced and mature, then why has his A/T ration only gotten worse as the years go by?

Link to the numbers: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31642

Not saying you're wrong or even have the wrong conclusions, but I would point out that it's been havoc out there the last few years at the U of Arizona, with coaching and player revolving door.

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Ugh I have to disagree strongly. Budinger should be much better than he is, but he's POB-esque and lacks the killer instinct.
I really doubt that he will flourish in the NBA, and I REALLY don't want him taking up a roster spot on the C's.

But whether you think he has potential or not, you have to admit that he is a project player, and the Celtics are not the right place for a project player to land. We don't need a raw player and a raw player doesn't need us.

Therefore, I vote no on Budinger. 

Raw? Not right -- not a project player or a raw player. He's skilled and mature with a lot of athleticism. What folks question is his motor -- on overused cliche in sports. Why does't he take over games? I don't care i he's 'the man', i care if he can fill a team role. He'll be fine with KG, Paul and Ray.

Lucky, Billy more of a slasher. Chase is more versatile. IMO he's an excellent example of a guy who's better suited to the pro game.

How can you know how mature he is? What's an example of his maturity? And What makes him well-rounded and experienced (not raw)? I've seen him dunk and I've seen him shoot threes.That's it. Call me crazy but I don't like players who's numbers get worse as they take on a leadership role.

Budingers points, assists, steals, and 3 pt shooting percentage all peaked during freshman year, got worse in sophomore year, and were worst in his junior year. Rebounds and blocks also peaked freshman year.

AND: His assist to turnover ratio, while never very good (1.39 at its peak), also peaked in freshman year. That makes me wonder: If he's so experienced and mature, then why has his A/T ration only gotten worse as the years go by?

Link to the numbers: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31642

nice statistical analysis, but it doesn't alter my perspective on this guy, and is precisely why he's available at a low pick. I don't care about his assist-to-turnover ratio (he's not a passer, he's a scorer) and i don't care about his leadership. he's not a leader. i don't want him to be a leader. i want him to be a guy off the bench capable of matching up at both the 2 and the 3 with range.

'raw' is about skill, not experience -- but he has plenty of both. he's got the tools. some guys are better suited to the pro game, as we've seen in the late first and second rounds time and time again. my feeling is he's one of them. i don't expect him to be a star. but if you look at this class he has the potential to be one of the higher impact guys in his first season, his game doesn't mirror others on this squad. and he could be had cheap.

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I haven't seen him play, so I have no first hand knowledge of the guy. I've heard he's quite athletic, but he also lacks drive/effort.

How much better is he than Bill Walker? 

Hes not better than Walker. I'd like to get Terrence Williams from Louisiville, 6'8" 2 guard who can play great d and is a triple doulbe machine, hes real athletic just needs to solidify his jumper to make him a star type player.

By the way, i like Williams too. He's a better passer than Walker, but to me they're a little too similar. I like Budinger's range to go with his althetic ability.

[acieEarl]

He be a steal at 21 and it looks like he might fall their. He was a projected top 10 2 years ago. I think he could be a great defender with his length and athleticism.

[Celtics1990]

I've said it before on another thread:  Chase is coming to Beantown and he's bringing chicks.

Chase is officially my boy now!

[indeedproceed]

Budinger is like a Brent Barry clone without the pedigree or insane drive/father.

[MBz]

I haven't seen him play, so I have no first hand knowledge of the guy. I've heard he's quite athletic, but he also lacks drive/effort.

How much better is he than Bill Walker? 

Hes not better than Walker. I'd like to get Terrence Williams from Louisiville, 6'8" 2 guard who can play great d and is a triple doulbe machine, hes real athletic just needs to solidify his jumper to make him a star type player.

I disagree, I think he's much better then Bill Walker.  He's 6'7, can play the 2/3.  He's a very good shooter, he shot 40% from 3's last year.  He is a better passer then Walker, his defense is average, but so is Bill Walkers.  He would be ready to play, I wouldn't mind him as the back up 3 next year.