Dream Off-season

[Smitty77]

I don't understand the infatuation with Wallace on this board at all.  He is a shell of his former self and is NOW only an average player with a still out of control temper.  His whining will be sure to continue the bias against our C's next year IF we sign him.

[wiley]

I don't understand the infatuation with Wallace on this board at all.  He is a shell of his former self and is NOW only an average player with a still out of control temper.  His whining will be sure to continue the bias against our C's next year IF we sign him.

I agree.  Let's bring in someone cheaper, hungrier and wiser on the court.

[winsomme]

I'll go with my dream realistic off-season:

1. Sign Antonio McDyess, Grant Hill, and Quinton Ross (MLE, LLE and minimum salary)

2.  Resign BBD, Starbury, and Powe.

3.  Let Pruitt and Moore walk.

4.  Trade Tony and Scal for Nocioni.

Roster:

Perk / McDyess / BBD
KG / BBD / Nocioni / Powe
Pierce / Hill / Nocioni / Walker
Ray / Ross / House / Giddens
Rondo / Starbury / House

To me, that's a "win now" team, that still retains its key pieces for the future.  It's also a team that we could put together using our current cap exceptions.

I had no idea such a team was conceivable.  I love that team, and even if Baby is too expensive to keep, I would still love that team, and a cheap 7 footer could be added in his place. 

The Nocioni part is the long-shot part of the scenario.  Sacramento may be willing to get out from under his contract, much like they explored last season.  We'd almost certainly have to contribute cash, and potentially a pick.

I agree, though:  if we could put together that team, even without BBD, I'd be happy with it.

unfortunately the Nocioni part is my favorite of the lot. not because i don't like the other guys mentioned, but because a hard-nosed, shooting SF/PF is my priority for this off season.

I just think this is the most important spot we have to fill. both because of the need for that spot on the team and the dearth of options out there to successfully fill the role.

I agree that that's a key spot, along with the obviously needed backup big(s), of which McDyess would get my vote.

But I wouldn't mind having two Nocioni types (Nocioni and Posey, for example).  How else to handle Cleveland, Orlando and L.A. next year.  Also helps Garnett come back more slowly and wisely from the knee problem...

well McDyess would help in the KG rehab department. so would Rasheed. but those guys would have to be willing to take pretty short money.

Nocioni. i have no idea how we get him. would Sac have any interest in Walker. maybe the combo of Scals expiring contract and Walker and maybe a future #1...

i don't know. Noc is getting paid a lot of money, so maybe there aren't too too many teams banging the door down for him.

[BballTim]

What lesson do they need to learn? Just becuase they didn't sign the guys you wanted doesn't mean they FAILED. You guys are so thick headed, we won 62 games with KG out for 1/3 of the season, he didn't play for the entire playoffs and we were one game away from the ECF's.

The team won 62 games, but couldn't count on more than 1/3 of its roster for contributions (Walker, Giddens, Pruitt, Tony, Moore, and really, Starbury too.)  With two major injuries, less than 50% of the team was playing and contributing consistently.  There's a lesson to be learned there, I think, which is to fill the roster with legitimate NBA players.

  I don't think there's a team left playing that could survive the injuries we did. If KG was healthy we could have gotten away with playing the subs a little more, we'd have swept the Bulls instead of playing 7 games + 7 OTs. The issues with the bench were magnified because of injuries but the bench was never going to be strong enough to overcome an injury to KG and win the title.

but it could have been strong enough to get us to a point where maybe KG could have started playing again...

  First of all if KG was extremely close to coming back he'd have suited up for game 7. He'd still have to be, right now, 2-3 games from even thinking about playing. And then you're talking about bringing back someone who's played a handful of minutes over the last 3 months and hasn't been able to stay in anything approaching game shape because of his knee.

[LarBrd33]

dream offseason?  LeBron wins his title and makes it public he's headed to New York.   Cavs panic realizing they are going to lose LeBron for nothing and start shopping him around.  This offends King James, so he publicly demands a trade.  Boston trades Ray Allen and some draft picks for him.   Cleveland buys out Ray... Ray rejoins Boston... and then at some point we inject stem cells into Larry Bird and he Benjamin Buttons back to his late 20's self and signs for the minimum.   Bill Russell turns into a menacing terradactyl with 8 arms.

[Lucky17]

I'll go with my dream realistic off-season:

1. Sign Antonio McDyess, Grant Hill, and Quinton Ross (MLE, LLE and minimum salary)

2.  Resign BBD, Starbury, and Powe.

3.  Let Pruitt and Moore walk.

4.  Trade Tony and Scal for Nocioni.

Roster:

Perk / McDyess / BBD
KG / BBD / Nocioni / Powe
Pierce / Hill / Nocioni / Walker
Ray / Ross / House / Giddens
Rondo / Starbury / House

To me, that's a "win now" team, that still retains its key pieces for the future.  It's also a team that we could put together using our current cap exceptions.

Can't think of a much better use of the exceptions and trades to address the team needs, Hobbs. McDyess is a personal fave of mine, and Ross is the defensive 2 we need.

One thing I wonder about this dream scenario: would some of these free agents agree to sign with Boston, knowing they'd probably only see 10-15 minutes a night? Would Baby resign with Boston if McDyess was lined up to share backcourt minutes, and vice versa?

A five man frontcourt rotation between KG, Perk, McDyess, BBD, and Noc, three guards in Ray, Rondo, and Marbury, and Hill (and Noc) backing up Pierce, makes us 10 deep. Ross and House see time depending on game situations (one for offense, one for defense). Might be tough to keep people happy, minutes-wise.

I imagine Powe, Walker, and Giddens all wear suits for 90% of the time, barring injury to a starter.

[the_Bird]

I don't understand the infatuation with Wallace on this board at all.  He is a shell of his former self and is NOW only an average player with a still out of control temper.  His whining will be sure to continue the bias against our C's next year IF we sign him.

Given how poorly he finished the season, he should be available cheaply.  I think he's played himself out of a full-MLE contract.  

Ultimately, it depends on whether you think he's due for a bit of rejuvination.  I tend to think that an extremely emotional player like 'Sheed was inevitably going to melt down in Detroit last year, but a year or two playing alongside his buddy KG and competing, legitimately, for another Championship will bring out the best in him.  In the right situtation, I don't think he's done.  Now, I've also concluded that I'd rather have the more-professional McDyess, but I think 'Sheed would come in and fit right in and help alleviate a lot of our issues in the frontcourt.  

This is all predicated on his understanding that he'd be coming in behind Perk.  But, that's be a helluva frontcourt; KG and Perk to start, 'Sheed and BBD as backups, Scal off the bench to play some 3/4 and stretch the court, and Powe coming back at midseason.  If everyone is healthy, that's as good a frontcourt rotation as it gets.

[winsomme]

What lesson do they need to learn? Just becuase they didn't sign the guys you wanted doesn't mean they FAILED. You guys are so thick headed, we won 62 games with KG out for 1/3 of the season, he didn't play for the entire playoffs and we were one game away from the ECF's.

The team won 62 games, but couldn't count on more than 1/3 of its roster for contributions (Walker, Giddens, Pruitt, Tony, Moore, and really, Starbury too.)  With two major injuries, less than 50% of the team was playing and contributing consistently.  There's a lesson to be learned there, I think, which is to fill the roster with legitimate NBA players.

  I don't think there's a team left playing that could survive the injuries we did. If KG was healthy we could have gotten away with playing the subs a little more, we'd have swept the Bulls instead of playing 7 games + 7 OTs. The issues with the bench were magnified because of injuries but the bench was never going to be strong enough to overcome an injury to KG and win the title.

but it could have been strong enough to get us to a point where maybe KG could have started playing again...

  First of all if KG was extremely close to coming back he'd have suited up for game 7. He'd still have to be, right now, 2-3 games from even thinking about playing. And then you're talking about bringing back someone who's played a handful of minutes over the last 3 months and hasn't been able to stay in anything approaching game shape because of his knee.

well we're never going to know how this whole thing would have gone down had we made it to the ECF or even the Finals.

All i know is that KG held off on surgery. And if the bench had been deeper, we could possibly have given KG more time to attempt to come back.

[BballTim]

What lesson do they need to learn? Just becuase they didn't sign the guys you wanted doesn't mean they FAILED. You guys are so thick headed, we won 62 games with KG out for 1/3 of the season, he didn't play for the entire playoffs and we were one game away from the ECF's.

The team won 62 games, but couldn't count on more than 1/3 of its roster for contributions (Walker, Giddens, Pruitt, Tony, Moore, and really, Starbury too.)  With two major injuries, less than 50% of the team was playing and contributing consistently.  There's a lesson to be learned there, I think, which is to fill the roster with legitimate NBA players.

  I don't think there's a team left playing that could survive the injuries we did. If KG was healthy we could have gotten away with playing the subs a little more, we'd have swept the Bulls instead of playing 7 games + 7 OTs. The issues with the bench were magnified because of injuries but the bench was never going to be strong enough to overcome an injury to KG and win the title.

but it could have been strong enough to get us to a point where maybe KG could have started playing again...

  First of all if KG was extremely close to coming back he'd have suited up for game 7. He'd still have to be, right now, 2-3 games from even thinking about playing. And then you're talking about bringing back someone who's played a handful of minutes over the last 3 months and hasn't been able to stay in anything approaching game shape because of his knee.

well we're never going to know how this whole thing would have gone down had we made it to the ECF or even the Finals.

All i know is that KG held off on surgery. And if the bench had been deeper, we could possibly have given KG more time to attempt to come back.

  Too funny. Remember, though, with a better bench we'd have dispensed with Chicago sooner and possibly Orlando as well. We'd already be a game or two into our duel with Cleveland, so best case KG would be testing his knee in a game for the first time in game 5 or 6. More likely we'd have to beat Cleveland without him and hope he was ready for the Finals.

[Casperian]

I don't understand the infatuation with Wallace on this board at all.  He is a shell of his former self and is NOW only an average player with a still out of control temper.  His whining will be sure to continue the bias against our C's next year IF we sign him.

I agree.  Let's bring in someone cheaper, hungrier and wiser on the court.

100% agreed. Imo, he was already done last year, but was still able to give you a great performance here and there. Additionally, there`s a lot of evidence of how hard it is for a starter to adjust to the bench role. At least, that`s what the Celtics players said when asked why Marbury didn`t perform like we know he can.

[winsomme]

What lesson do they need to learn? Just becuase they didn't sign the guys you wanted doesn't mean they FAILED. You guys are so thick headed, we won 62 games with KG out for 1/3 of the season, he didn't play for the entire playoffs and we were one game away from the ECF's.

The team won 62 games, but couldn't count on more than 1/3 of its roster for contributions (Walker, Giddens, Pruitt, Tony, Moore, and really, Starbury too.)  With two major injuries, less than 50% of the team was playing and contributing consistently.  There's a lesson to be learned there, I think, which is to fill the roster with legitimate NBA players.

  I don't think there's a team left playing that could survive the injuries we did. If KG was healthy we could have gotten away with playing the subs a little more, we'd have swept the Bulls instead of playing 7 games + 7 OTs. The issues with the bench were magnified because of injuries but the bench was never going to be strong enough to overcome an injury to KG and win the title.

but it could have been strong enough to get us to a point where maybe KG could have started playing again...

  First of all if KG was extremely close to coming back he'd have suited up for game 7. He'd still have to be, right now, 2-3 games from even thinking about playing. And then you're talking about bringing back someone who's played a handful of minutes over the last 3 months and hasn't been able to stay in anything approaching game shape because of his knee.

well we're never going to know how this whole thing would have gone down had we made it to the ECF or even the Finals.

All i know is that KG held off on surgery. And if the bench had been deeper, we could possibly have given KG more time to attempt to come back.

  Too funny. Remember, though, with a better bench we'd have dispensed with Chicago sooner and possibly Orlando as well. We'd already be a game or two into our duel with Cleveland, so best case KG would be testing his knee in a game for the first time in game 5 or 6. More likely we'd have to beat Cleveland without him and hope he was ready for the Finals.

and being two games into the ECF is a bad thing?

plus your best case scenario sounds pretty good to me right about now.

[BballTim]

What lesson do they need to learn? Just becuase they didn't sign the guys you wanted doesn't mean they FAILED. You guys are so thick headed, we won 62 games with KG out for 1/3 of the season, he didn't play for the entire playoffs and we were one game away from the ECF's.

The team won 62 games, but couldn't count on more than 1/3 of its roster for contributions (Walker, Giddens, Pruitt, Tony, Moore, and really, Starbury too.)  With two major injuries, less than 50% of the team was playing and contributing consistently.  There's a lesson to be learned there, I think, which is to fill the roster with legitimate NBA players.

  I don't think there's a team left playing that could survive the injuries we did. If KG was healthy we could have gotten away with playing the subs a little more, we'd have swept the Bulls instead of playing 7 games + 7 OTs. The issues with the bench were magnified because of injuries but the bench was never going to be strong enough to overcome an injury to KG and win the title.

but it could have been strong enough to get us to a point where maybe KG could have started playing again...

  First of all if KG was extremely close to coming back he'd have suited up for game 7. He'd still have to be, right now, 2-3 games from even thinking about playing. And then you're talking about bringing back someone who's played a handful of minutes over the last 3 months and hasn't been able to stay in anything approaching game shape because of his knee.

well we're never going to know how this whole thing would have gone down had we made it to the ECF or even the Finals.

All i know is that KG held off on surgery. And if the bench had been deeper, we could possibly have given KG more time to attempt to come back.

  Too funny. Remember, though, with a better bench we'd have dispensed with Chicago sooner and possibly Orlando as well. We'd already be a game or two into our duel with Cleveland, so best case KG would be testing his knee in a game for the first time in game 5 or 6. More likely we'd have to beat Cleveland without him and hope he was ready for the Finals.

and being two games into the ECF is a bad thing?

plus your best case scenario sounds pretty good to me right about now.

  Best case scenarios always sound good. The most likely scenario is that KG doesn't play again this year.

[winsomme]

What lesson do they need to learn? Just becuase they didn't sign the guys you wanted doesn't mean they FAILED. You guys are so thick headed, we won 62 games with KG out for 1/3 of the season, he didn't play for the entire playoffs and we were one game away from the ECF's.

The team won 62 games, but couldn't count on more than 1/3 of its roster for contributions (Walker, Giddens, Pruitt, Tony, Moore, and really, Starbury too.)  With two major injuries, less than 50% of the team was playing and contributing consistently.  There's a lesson to be learned there, I think, which is to fill the roster with legitimate NBA players.

  I don't think there's a team left playing that could survive the injuries we did. If KG was healthy we could have gotten away with playing the subs a little more, we'd have swept the Bulls instead of playing 7 games + 7 OTs. The issues with the bench were magnified because of injuries but the bench was never going to be strong enough to overcome an injury to KG and win the title.

but it could have been strong enough to get us to a point where maybe KG could have started playing again...

  First of all if KG was extremely close to coming back he'd have suited up for game 7. He'd still have to be, right now, 2-3 games from even thinking about playing. And then you're talking about bringing back someone who's played a handful of minutes over the last 3 months and hasn't been able to stay in anything approaching game shape because of his knee.

well we're never going to know how this whole thing would have gone down had we made it to the ECF or even the Finals.

All i know is that KG held off on surgery. And if the bench had been deeper, we could possibly have given KG more time to attempt to come back.

  Too funny. Remember, though, with a better bench we'd have dispensed with Chicago sooner and possibly Orlando as well. We'd already be a game or two into our duel with Cleveland, so best case KG would be testing his knee in a game for the first time in game 5 or 6. More likely we'd have to beat Cleveland without him and hope he was ready for the Finals.

and being two games into the ECF is a bad thing?

plus your best case scenario sounds pretty good to me right about now.

  Best case scenarios always sound good. The most likely scenario is that KG doesn't play again this year.

well, even in just the most likely scenario, we're still playing and KGs return is still possible...

better than where we are now, no?

[BballTim]

What lesson do they need to learn? Just becuase they didn't sign the guys you wanted doesn't mean they FAILED. You guys are so thick headed, we won 62 games with KG out for 1/3 of the season, he didn't play for the entire playoffs and we were one game away from the ECF's.

The team won 62 games, but couldn't count on more than 1/3 of its roster for contributions (Walker, Giddens, Pruitt, Tony, Moore, and really, Starbury too.)  With two major injuries, less than 50% of the team was playing and contributing consistently.  There's a lesson to be learned there, I think, which is to fill the roster with legitimate NBA players.

  I don't think there's a team left playing that could survive the injuries we did. If KG was healthy we could have gotten away with playing the subs a little more, we'd have swept the Bulls instead of playing 7 games + 7 OTs. The issues with the bench were magnified because of injuries but the bench was never going to be strong enough to overcome an injury to KG and win the title.

but it could have been strong enough to get us to a point where maybe KG could have started playing again...

  First of all if KG was extremely close to coming back he'd have suited up for game 7. He'd still have to be, right now, 2-3 games from even thinking about playing. And then you're talking about bringing back someone who's played a handful of minutes over the last 3 months and hasn't been able to stay in anything approaching game shape because of his knee.

well we're never going to know how this whole thing would have gone down had we made it to the ECF or even the Finals.

All i know is that KG held off on surgery. And if the bench had been deeper, we could possibly have given KG more time to attempt to come back.

  Too funny. Remember, though, with a better bench we'd have dispensed with Chicago sooner and possibly Orlando as well. We'd already be a game or two into our duel with Cleveland, so best case KG would be testing his knee in a game for the first time in game 5 or 6. More likely we'd have to beat Cleveland without him and hope he was ready for the Finals.

and being two games into the ECF is a bad thing?

plus your best case scenario sounds pretty good to me right about now.

  Best case scenarios always sound good. The most likely scenario is that KG doesn't play again this year.

well, even in just the most likely scenario, we're still playing and KGs return is still possible...

better than where we are now, no?

  In terns of winning a title the most likely scenario leaves us right where we are now, unless you think we could get past the Cavs without KG.

[winsomme]

What lesson do they need to learn? Just becuase they didn't sign the guys you wanted doesn't mean they FAILED. You guys are so thick headed, we won 62 games with KG out for 1/3 of the season, he didn't play for the entire playoffs and we were one game away from the ECF's.

The team won 62 games, but couldn't count on more than 1/3 of its roster for contributions (Walker, Giddens, Pruitt, Tony, Moore, and really, Starbury too.)  With two major injuries, less than 50% of the team was playing and contributing consistently.  There's a lesson to be learned there, I think, which is to fill the roster with legitimate NBA players.

  I don't think there's a team left playing that could survive the injuries we did. If KG was healthy we could have gotten away with playing the subs a little more, we'd have swept the Bulls instead of playing 7 games + 7 OTs. The issues with the bench were magnified because of injuries but the bench was never going to be strong enough to overcome an injury to KG and win the title.

but it could have been strong enough to get us to a point where maybe KG could have started playing again...

  First of all if KG was extremely close to coming back he'd have suited up for game 7. He'd still have to be, right now, 2-3 games from even thinking about playing. And then you're talking about bringing back someone who's played a handful of minutes over the last 3 months and hasn't been able to stay in anything approaching game shape because of his knee.

well we're never going to know how this whole thing would have gone down had we made it to the ECF or even the Finals.

All i know is that KG held off on surgery. And if the bench had been deeper, we could possibly have given KG more time to attempt to come back.

  Too funny. Remember, though, with a better bench we'd have dispensed with Chicago sooner and possibly Orlando as well. We'd already be a game or two into our duel with Cleveland, so best case KG would be testing his knee in a game for the first time in game 5 or 6. More likely we'd have to beat Cleveland without him and hope he was ready for the Finals.

and being two games into the ECF is a bad thing?

plus your best case scenario sounds pretty good to me right about now.

  Best case scenarios always sound good. The most likely scenario is that KG doesn't play again this year.

well, even in just the most likely scenario, we're still playing and KGs return is still possible...

better than where we are now, no?

  In terns of winning a title the most likely scenario leaves us right where we are now, unless you think we could get past the Cavs without KG.

except now there's no "likelihoods" of KG returning and us winning a Title...

much different than being in game two of the ECFs.

and I'd take that - slim chances and all.

the fact is, the longer we went in the playoffs, the more time KG had to come back.