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Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2009, 07:05:54 PM »

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McDyess is a veteran player who plays good D, has a good midrange jumper, knows how to attack the rim, and brings his desire and intensity every night. A must-sign since we're looking for a good 4/5 bench player.

Doesn't BBD play that role right now?  Do the Cs resign BBD and sign McDyess?  Seems like they replicate the same position....  I would rather resign BBD and use the MLE to address the backup 1 and 3...

Offensively, yes. Defensively, McDyess is completely different from Baby. Legit big man, can play both the PF and C positions, great rebounder.
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Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2009, 07:06:45 PM »

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how about rasheed wallace with the MLE and grant hill for the vet min

didnt rasheed wallace make some absurd spreewell-esque comment earlier in the season that he wouldnt play for less than like 9 million next year?

Yes, rumor has it that he wants a contract starting at $8 mil, or he will retire.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090506/SPORTS03/905060359/

Grain of salt.

Big grain of salt.. or would it be tiny grain of salt?? Not sure...

Anyway sounds like he said, he said. Until Sheed says it in July, I'll hold out hope.

"Free-agent center Rasheed Wallace wants $8 million to play next season or he's going to retire, according to a Slam Online report.
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The news is just a few sentences on the Web site and cites as its source a "close personal friend" of Wallace."

Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2009, 07:17:34 PM »

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Moon can't shoot

Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2009, 12:09:57 PM »

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Moon can't shoot

Here are his stats from this season :

With Toronto (54 games) :
FG%     3PT%     FT%   
0,473    0,345    0,846
150/317 38/110  55/65

With Miami (26 games) :
FG%     3PT %    FT%
0,459    0,370    0,867
72/157  27/73   13/15

It seems pretty correct for a guy who can't shoot (not very efficient from 3 point range but "OK" for a potential bench player).

Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2009, 12:11:31 PM »

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Perk    Dice
KG      Sheed
Pierce  Moon
Ray     House
Rondo   Bury

Is this posible?
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Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2009, 12:13:00 PM »

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Sheed is not a realistic possibility since he has stated that he wouldn't play for less than 8$M the season.

Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2009, 12:18:25 PM »

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ok then

Perk    Dice    BBD
KG      Camby   Powe
Pierce  posey   Walker
Ray     House   Allen
Rondo   Bury    Pruitt

Is this posible?


how about that 6 man
bg rotation
that could kill  even Cavs frontline
and we can bring posey back ;)
or moon ok
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Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2009, 12:25:06 PM »

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Moon doesn't deserve more than a min. salary. Maybe the LLE. But he's not a good defender and he certainly isn't a slasher. If he was all that, Toronto would have kept him. Moon isn't much of an improvement over Tony Allen, so I don't think I'd make him a priority.

is Moon really not a good defender. I always thought he was pretty active on the defensive end when i've seen him play.

and again, i don't think it's fair to compare wing guys that can move over to the PF in a small ball lineup to TA.

and generally speaking, TA is a SG and Moon is a SF....

Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2009, 12:37:20 PM »

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Moon doesn't deserve more than a min. salary. Maybe the LLE. But he's not a good defender and he certainly isn't a slasher. If he was all that, Toronto would have kept him. Moon isn't much of an improvement over Tony Allen, so I don't think I'd make him a priority.

is Moon really not a good defender. I always thought he was pretty active on the defensive end when i've seen him play.

and again, i don't think it's fair to compare wing guys that can move over to the PF in a small ball lineup to TA.

and generally speaking, TA is a SG and Moon is a SF....

See my answer re: Outlaw, I'm not thinking in positional terms, I don't think that's important.

Moon will collect his share of steals and blocks, but he's part of the reason why Toronto's perimeter defence was probably the worst in the league. He's too raw and dumb to be considered a good defender.

Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2009, 12:44:49 PM »

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Moon doesn't deserve more than a min. salary. Maybe the LLE. But he's not a good defender and he certainly isn't a slasher. If he was all that, Toronto would have kept him. Moon isn't much of an improvement over Tony Allen, so I don't think I'd make him a priority.

is Moon really not a good defender. I always thought he was pretty active on the defensive end when i've seen him play.

and again, i don't think it's fair to compare wing guys that can move over to the PF in a small ball lineup to TA.

and generally speaking, TA is a SG and Moon is a SF....

See my answer re: Outlaw, I'm not thinking in positional terms, I don't think that's important.

Moon will collect his share of steals and blocks, but he's part of the reason why Toronto's perimeter defence was probably the worst in the league. He's too raw and dumb to be considered a good defender.

i think you have to look in positional terms. especially after watching what Lewis and Turk did to us in the playoffs.

Scal certainly is someone you could theoretically put on both those guys, but it didn't really work too well in the actual games and TA you certainly can't put on either of them.

not having a Posey type guy really hurts us IMO. and comparing possible replacements to TA doesn't seem too helpful to me because TA simply cannot guard those guys. they are too long for him.

As for Outlaw and Moon, I like Outlaw better. but both would actually fit the role that i believe needs to be filled.

Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2009, 01:27:17 PM »

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Moon doesn't deserve more than a min. salary. Maybe the LLE. But he's not a good defender and he certainly isn't a slasher. If he was all that, Toronto would have kept him. Moon isn't much of an improvement over Tony Allen, so I don't think I'd make him a priority.

is Moon really not a good defender. I always thought he was pretty active on the defensive end when i've seen him play.

and again, i don't think it's fair to compare wing guys that can move over to the PF in a small ball lineup to TA.

and generally speaking, TA is a SG and Moon is a SF....

See my answer re: Outlaw, I'm not thinking in positional terms, I don't think that's important.

Moon will collect his share of steals and blocks, but he's part of the reason why Toronto's perimeter defence was probably the worst in the league. He's too raw and dumb to be considered a good defender.

i think you have to look in positional terms. especially after watching what Lewis and Turk did to us in the playoffs.

Scal certainly is someone you could theoretically put on both those guys, but it didn't really work too well in the actual games and TA you certainly can't put on either of them.

not having a Posey type guy really hurts us IMO. and comparing possible replacements to TA doesn't seem too helpful to me because TA simply cannot guard those guys. they are too long for him.

As for Outlaw and Moon, I like Outlaw better. but both would actually fit the role that i believe needs to be filled.

I think that first of all you need quality. You need a dependable 6th man and you need a competent wing backup. Than you fill the rest of the bench from there.

I'd much rather sign someone like Grant Hill than lesser players like Moon just because of their position.

Moon is too slight to defend Lewis - if Doc didn't use Pierce, why would he use Moon? Outlaw is better suited to be a 9th man in a rotation. You just seem to believe they'd do a better job than Scalabrine, but I have no reasons to believe that - quite the contrary. If you really want an athletic tweener, then I suggest someone like Austin Nichols.
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Re: Sign Moon and McDyess
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2009, 01:33:59 PM »

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McDyess is a veteran player who plays good D, has a good midrange jumper, knows how to attack the rim, and brings his desire and intensity every night. A must-sign since we're looking for a good 4/5 bench player.

Doesn't BBD play that role right now?  Do the Cs resign BBD and sign McDyess?  Seems like they replicate the same position....  I would rather resign BBD and use the MLE to address the backup 1 and 3...

He does bring that if you are playing in the community dwarf league. Since he is playing in the grown of people's verions of the sport, no. He is mediocre at all of those things except the energy. Energy isn't enough when you are undersized and can't rebound, block shots, or score on the low blocks without someone driving and drawing your defender and dropping the ball off to you for an easy one.