Where Do We Go Now? (Celts off season plan)

[Fan from VT]

Regardless of whether or not Detroit will be trading Rip or Prince, does anyone think that we have the tools to make the best possible offer?

I guarantee half the league could offer more value than the celtics for those two.

I'd wish that people who are going to post trade ideas this off-season will take that line of reasoning into consideration. Not only if the trade makes sense for both teams, but if it's realistic to expect that no team will put a better offer on the table than the C's.

One should not take such a smug tone without looking at ideas with an open mind and from all angles. The dynamics of the NBA have changed, it's no longer about talent for talent it's about the bottom line

How was that smug?
And even being about the bottom line, about 25 other teams can offer better value than simply expiring contracts by adding draft picks to the deal and we wouldnt be able to match.

gotta agree, most of the trade idea's are very "wouldn't this be awesome for us" which they mostly are, but they don't offer a rational for why the other team would even bother. Some trades do offer that rational, but its rare.

and on the flipside, a lot of people have such green goggles that they can't see how anyone we could trade for is as good as a player we give up. so while you laugh and say "ha, the other team would never do that!" if someone posts a reasonable trade, those same people say "oh god, that's way worse for the celtics!"  so i guess there is no way this team could become better through trades? Trades don't happen in the NBA?

[crownsy]

Regardless of whether or not Detroit will be trading Rip or Prince, does anyone think that we have the tools to make the best possible offer?

I guarantee half the league could offer more value than the celtics for those two.

I'd wish that people who are going to post trade ideas this off-season will take that line of reasoning into consideration. Not only if the trade makes sense for both teams, but if it's realistic to expect that no team will put a better offer on the table than the C's.

One should not take such a smug tone without looking at ideas with an open mind and from all angles. The dynamics of the NBA have changed, it's no longer about talent for talent it's about the bottom line

How was that smug?
And even being about the bottom line, about 25 other teams can offer better value than simply expiring contracts by adding draft picks to the deal and we wouldnt be able to match.

gotta agree, most of the trade idea's are very "wouldn't this be awesome for us" which they mostly are, but they don't offer a rational for why the other team would even bother. Some trades do offer that rational, but its rare.

and on the flipside, a lot of people have such green goggles that they can't see how anyone we could trade for is as good as a player we give up. so while you laugh and say "ha, the other team would never do that!" if someone posts a reasonable trade, those same people say "oh god, that's way worse for the celtics!"  so i guess there is no way this team could become better through trades? Trades don't happen in the NBA?

trades like ray allen for prince and hamilton don't, no.

I mean, look at that from a non-celtics standpoint. the Celtics make out like bandits in that trade. Your trading a 33 year old for a similar starter, and your gaining a starting SF to come off your bench and shut down whoever you want. There is zero incentive for Detroit to do that. yes, they gain an expiring contract, but they already set themselves up to have a max deal to offer in 2009 or 2010.

[dlpin]

And that are on the market for Prince? Who? All I'm saying is if the Pistons chose to move Tay (which I believe they will), the Celtics have the pieces in expiring contracts, players to fill out roster and draft picks. People can disagree and that's fine, but I don't appreciate condescending posts that point to my ideas as not being well thought out.

Again, how was that condescending?

Which draft picks we can offer for them that other teams can't match? If 10 mill in expiring deals is all it takes to pry a 29 year old signed to a reasonable contract, don't you think several teams can offer the same amount in expiring deals, plus better draft picks?

In any case, currently the Pistons only have 33 mill in contracts for next season, and 11 after that.

[crownsy]

Regardless of whether or not Detroit will be trading Rip or Prince, does anyone think that we have the tools to make the best possible offer?

I guarantee half the league could offer more value than the celtics for those two.

I'd wish that people who are going to post trade ideas this off-season will take that line of reasoning into consideration. Not only if the trade makes sense for both teams, but if it's realistic to expect that no team will put a better offer on the table than the C's.

One should not take such a smug tone without looking at ideas with an open mind and from all angles. The dynamics of the NBA have changed, it's no longer about talent for talent it's about the bottom line

How was that smug?
And even being about the bottom line, about 25 other teams can offer better value than simply expiring contracts by adding draft picks to the deal and we wouldnt be able to match.

gotta agree, most of the trade idea's are very "wouldn't this be awesome for us" which they mostly are, but they don't offer a rational for why the other team would even bother. Some trades do offer that rational, but its rare.

Yeah, like Camby for a 2nd Rounder? The Nuggets would never do that...

would we have taken on camby's salary for them and payed the massive tax in the above scenario?

Thats what i'm getting at J, people don't consider the receiving team (clippers had a ton of cap space,  they won't pay the tax). That trade happened for very predictable reasons, which we were not able to satisfy. If we were under the tax threshold, we'd be able to snag those kinds of deals more easily.

[pearljammer10]

Sign and trade Ray Allen, Tony Allen, Scals, Giddens for artest and T mac and , MLE to marion, resign Baby, sign a back up center and resign marbury....

Rondo/Marbury/Pruitt
Pierce/McGrady
Artest/Marion/Walker
KG/Bbaby
Perk/Back up/Draft Pick

...



Awesome dude.

[Fan from VT]

Regardless of whether or not Detroit will be trading Rip or Prince, does anyone think that we have the tools to make the best possible offer?

I guarantee half the league could offer more value than the celtics for those two.

I'd wish that people who are going to post trade ideas this off-season will take that line of reasoning into consideration. Not only if the trade makes sense for both teams, but if it's realistic to expect that no team will put a better offer on the table than the C's.

One should not take such a smug tone without looking at ideas with an open mind and from all angles. The dynamics of the NBA have changed, it's no longer about talent for talent it's about the bottom line

How was that smug?
And even being about the bottom line, about 25 other teams can offer better value than simply expiring contracts by adding draft picks to the deal and we wouldnt be able to match.

gotta agree, most of the trade idea's are very "wouldn't this be awesome for us" which they mostly are, but they don't offer a rational for why the other team would even bother. Some trades do offer that rational, but its rare.

and on the flipside, a lot of people have such green goggles that they can't see how anyone we could trade for is as good as a player we give up. so while you laugh and say "ha, the other team would never do that!" if someone posts a reasonable trade, those same people say "oh god, that's way worse for the celtics!"  so i guess there is no way this team could become better through trades? Trades don't happen in the NBA?

trades like ray allen for prince and hamilton don't, no.

I mean, look at that from a non-celtics standpoint. the Celtics make out like bandits in that trade. Your trading a 33 year old for a similar starter, and your gaining a starting SF to come off your bench and shut down whoever you want. There is zero incentive for Detroit to do that. yes, they gain an expiring contract, but they already set themselves up to have a max deal to offer in 2009 or 2010.

yeah, i disagree. not that that specific trade wouldn't happen, but surprising trades happen that seem ridiculous.

T-mac for francis and mobley is much like Allen for Prince and Hamilton, off the top of my head. iverson for billups mcdyess. shaq for butler and odom.

[Fan from VT]

So, all of our expiring contracts total 29.9 million next year (ray, walker, giddens, scal, tony, eddie, pruitt). this can bring back (tax willing), 37 million in contracts. since this is fantasy, let's say the owners are willing to do so. we convince Nelson that he wants to rebuild Golden State, and send the above seven players for Maggette, Biedrins, Ellis, and Jackson. Suddenly G.S. has only 20 million committed going into the illustrious 2010 offseason (bosh & wade in the bay area?), and the celtics have:

Rondo/Ellis
Maggette/Ellis
Pierce/Jackson
KG/BBD
Biedrins/Perk

done.

[JSD]

Thats what i'm getting at J, people don't consider the receiving team (clippers had a ton of cap space,  they won't pay the tax). That trade happened for very predictable reasons, which we were not able to satisfy. If we were under the tax threshold, we'd be able to snag those kinds of deals more easily.

I see Detroit banking on 2010 and blowing it up. The Pistons might not be in LT area as the Nuggets were but are probably in worse financial shape. Michigan's economy is dead in the water right now. I'm very much considering both teams we just have a different vision of where we think the Pistons are going.

[crownsy]

Thats what i'm getting at J, people don't consider the receiving team (clippers had a ton of cap space,  they won't pay the tax). That trade happened for very predictable reasons, which we were not able to satisfy. If we were under the tax threshold, we'd be able to snag those kinds of deals more easily.

I see Detroit banking on 2010 and blowing it up. The Pistons might not be in LT area as the Nuggets were but are probably in worse financial shape. Michigan's economy is dead in the water right now. I'm very much considering both teams we just have a different vision of where we think the Pistons are going.

maybe, but that would go against everything they are saying and doing (which, i'll grant you, happens all the time in pro sports  ) i mean, they HAVE a max contract to offer in 2009/10. unless they think they can pry two superstars away from their bird rights (tough to do) no reason to throw away two great complementary starting players to have a back up max contract to offer.

[Quinn]

Anyone know what Hedo's contract is?
I've heard that he is a free agent after this year, and he would make an excellent backup at the 3 and possibly even the 2 and 4.
It would give us a good shooter/energy guy off the bench.
Him or thorn in the neck Gordan, but he's smaller and not exactly what we need.

[indeedproceed]

Hedo is way outta our price range.

[Quinn]

Hedo is way outta our price range.

I figured as much.
[dang], i like him =/

[dlpin]

I see Detroit banking on 2010 and blowing it up. The Pistons might not be in LT area as the Nuggets were but are probably in worse financial shape. Michigan's economy is dead in the water right now. I'm very much considering both teams we just have a different vision of where we think the Pistons are going.

They will already be enough under the cap that trading away two very decently priced veterans for cap relief makes no sense.

[indeedproceed]

Thats what i'm getting at J, people don't consider the receiving team (clippers had a ton of cap space,  they won't pay the tax). That trade happened for very predictable reasons, which we were not able to satisfy. If we were under the tax threshold, we'd be able to snag those kinds of deals more easily.

I see Detroit banking on 2010 and blowing it up. The Pistons might not be in LT area as the Nuggets were but are probably in worse financial shape. Michigan's economy is dead in the water right now. I'm very much considering both teams we just have a different vision of where we think the Pistons are going.

Losing Wallace, Mcdyess and Billups all in one offseason and taking back zero dollars in salary in return is pretty darn close to blowing it up in its own right.

[Thruthelookingglass]

In response to the OP, I think our first order of business is to stop and let our keyboards cool down. 

The next is to take a deep breath.  I'd even say go outside and see how spring is doing.

We have months where we will examine every significant and insignificant angle that is even tangentially related to our beloved Boston Celtics.  Let's take it slow and easy, the offseason's already gonna feel too long.