Speaking physics the ball had to have hit the rim

[guava_wrench]

I can't blame Howard for giving up a rebound to a guy under the hoop. If that ball hits more rim, Perk doesn't get the rebound. The defense can't really box out with almost air-balls in mind.

[angryguy77]

Difficult call for the refs. There was a blatant travel violation by Howard in the 1st half that they forgot to call. Referees just make mistakes.

There are blown calls every game, but do you not think that confusion on a 24 second call should at least resort to a jump ball? It wasn't like one official called it right away, they had to huddle for a bit to make the decision. 

In those types of cases, at that point in the game, a jump ball seems the most logical resolution.

No. a ball doesnt change direction like that even if was a slight shift in direction. It should not have been a jump ball because perk had posetion of it anyways ane because it was initialy ruled a 2 violation, he was unable to lay it back in for 2.

[star18]

Ball hit the rim, Celtics, won game over. Starbury #18. I don't want to hear about complaining and all this change the rule nonsense on a Celtics blog after we clearly won the game. You want to complain about the rule, go on the Magic forum.

[hpantazo]

Ball hit the rim, Celtics, won game over. Starbury #18. I don't want to hear about complaining and all this change the rule nonsense on a Celtics blog after we clearly won the game. You want to complain about the rule, go on the Magic forum.

well said, TP

[markketch]

Why would I post that on a Magic forum? They're all convinced there's a league conspiracy against them.  Instead of considering a rule which would add clarity to a certain play, they'd be more likely to talk about how David Stern somehow buzzed the officials and told them to make the call.

If you're so adamant that the ball did hit the rim, then what is the harm in checking video to confirm the call? If it's the right call, then you have nothing to worry about as a Celtics fan.  All this brouhaha makes me believe that no one is really that convinced that it did hit the rim. Again, even some Celtics fans doubt that it drew iron, so there is confusion internally and externally.  It's not as clear as you're trying to make it.

Show me a clear cut screen shot of the ball drawing iron, not just your opinion that it hit because it barely changed direction, etc. That alone does not confirm nor disprove what happened.   

[dlpin]

Why would I post that on a Magic forum? They're all convinced there's a league conspiracy against them.  Instead of considering a rule which would add clarity to a certain play, they'd be more likely to talk about how David Stern somehow buzzed the officials and told them to make the call.

If you're so adamant that the ball did hit the rim, then what is the harm in checking video to confirm the call? If it's the right call, then you have nothing to worry about as a Celtics fan.  All this brouhaha makes me believe that no one is really that convinced that it did hit the rim. Again, even some Celtics fans doubt that it drew iron, so there is confusion internally and externally.  It's not as clear as you're trying to make it.

Show me a clear cut screen shot of the ball drawing iron, not just your opinion that it hit because it barely changed direction, etc. That alone does not confirm nor disprove what happened.   

Im sorry, but at this point this is borderline trolling. Whenever someone points out that your ideas for rule changes would not have mattered yesterday you say that you are just talking about changes for the future, and then the next post you go back about how they should have done something different yesterday. And you are not even consistent with your rule changes, which go from jumpball to replay...


Here is the thing that pretty much sums it up:
- two of the refs yesterday were certain that the ball hit the rim. So any of the rule changes you propose wouldn't have mattered even if the exact situation repeated itself in the future.

Let it go. You rule ideas would not solve anything, and would simply add another layer of questionable decisions to the game.

And, for what it is worth, the idea that THAT play decided the game is ludicrous. For the last 5 minutes of the game, the Magic only scored on Boston's intentional fouls at the end. Boston, on the other hand, scored or got the offensive rebound on every possession but one. So even IF the refs had made the wrong call (which I disagree because it is very clear that the ball changes spin and trajectory), Orlando would still have to score, and then get a stop, something they didnt do in 5 minutes...

[Eja117]

I just want to point out that I'm not a Trekker, but I am a Trekker sympathizer and this thread makes me think of a saying that Trekkers love more than nearly every other line in Star Trek

I canna change da laws of physics Cipin!

You can almost hear William Shatner responding...well...just..try! Just...try..Scottie!

[star18]

Stephon Marbury plays for the Boston Celtics and calmy scored 12 points in 5 4th qtr minutes, no problem.  They put in the kid from Brooklyn, iced 5 conescutive shots, iced 4 longs jumpers in a row no problem, Game Over.  Celtics Basketball STARBURY #18.  Yeah the ball hit the rim, the ball didn't hit the rim(not), we should have a rule change why because Rondo shot it and Perkins rebounded so Van Gundy deserves a 3 point shot and an and-1 for 4 points, or is the net so strong that it stops a moving basketball in mid air not really.  blah blah blah, STARBURY #18

[RAcker]

Show me a clear cut screen shot of the ball drawing iron, not just your opinion that it hit because it barely changed direction, etc. That alone does not confirm nor disprove what happened.   

Show me a clear cut shot of the ball NOT drawing iron.   

We'll see you in the next round with or without KG. 

[fairweatherfan]

Why would I post that on a Magic forum? They're all convinced there's a league conspiracy against them.  Instead of considering a rule which would add clarity to a certain play, they'd be more likely to talk about how David Stern somehow buzzed the officials and told them to make the call.

If you're so adamant that the ball did hit the rim, then what is the harm in checking video to confirm the call? If it's the right call, then you have nothing to worry about as a Celtics fan.  All this brouhaha makes me believe that no one is really that convinced that it did hit the rim. Again, even some Celtics fans doubt that it drew iron, so there is confusion internally and externally.  It's not as clear as you're trying to make it.

Show me a clear cut screen shot of the ball drawing iron, not just your opinion that it hit because it barely changed direction, etc. That alone does not confirm nor disprove what happened.   

Im sorry, but at this point this is borderline trolling. Whenever someone points out that your ideas for rule changes would not have mattered yesterday you say that you are just talking about changes for the future, and then the next post you go back about how they should have done something different yesterday. And you are not even consistent with your rule changes, which go from jumpball to replay...


Here is the thing that pretty much sums it up:
- two of the refs yesterday were certain that the ball hit the rim. So any of the rule changes you propose wouldn't have mattered even if the exact situation repeated itself in the future.

Let it go. You rule ideas would not solve anything, and would simply add another layer of questionable decisions to the game.

Willful obtuseness and constantly moving the goalposts is kind of his M.O., there's not a lot of point in attempting an honest discussion there.

And I'm against allowing a jump ball call there because it just adds another copout call, like the double technicals they so love, to the refs' repertoire.  Huddle up and make the best call you can given the information you have.

Review also sucks, because it requires a stoppage of play, which means either
- the refs have to automatically blow the whistle on an uncertain violation, possibly costing the offensive team an easy basket (like the initial whistle did to Perk), or costing the defensive team a fast break opportunity, or:
- the call gets reviewed in the next timeout, which leads to all sorts of headaches in figuring out how to correct the effects of an initial bad call. 

Won't happen and wouldn't work, the way it was handled on the court is the only reasonable solution.

[BASS_THUMPER]

from my studies~

the pularity formed an econox which produces a black hole inside the vortex and the time continumon atoms imploded the retro specrum inside the atom~

it hit the rim!

*sippin and sippin and sippin*

[Truck Lewis]

Show me a clear cut screen shot of the ball drawing iron, not just your opinion that it hit because it barely changed direction, etc. That alone does not confirm nor disprove what happened.   

Show me a clear cut shot of the ball NOT drawing iron.   

We'll see you in the next round with or without KG. 

tp Racker....if def changed direction...needs contact for that too happen...

and even if it did, howard she play til the whistle

Reminds me of tejeda assuming the runner interference in 2003, had he played thru it wouldnt have mattered, same with howard there

[CoachCowens]

Why would I post that on a Magic forum? They're all convinced there's a league conspiracy against them.  Instead of considering a rule which would add clarity to a certain play, they'd be more likely to talk about how David Stern somehow buzzed the officials and told them to make the call.

If you're so adamant that the ball did hit the rim, then what is the harm in checking video to confirm the call? If it's the right call, then you have nothing to worry about as a Celtics fan.  All this brouhaha makes me believe that no one is really that convinced that it did hit the rim. Again, even some Celtics fans doubt that it drew iron, so there is confusion internally and externally.  It's not as clear as you're trying to make it.

Show me a clear cut screen shot of the ball drawing iron, not just your opinion that it hit because it barely changed direction, etc. That alone does not confirm nor disprove what happened.   

Im sorry, but at this point this is borderline trolling. Whenever someone points out that your ideas for rule changes would not have mattered yesterday you say that you are just talking about changes for the future, and then the next post you go back about how they should have done something different yesterday. And you are not even consistent with your rule changes, which go from jumpball to replay...


Here is the thing that pretty much sums it up:
- two of the refs yesterday were certain that the ball hit the rim. So any of the rule changes you propose wouldn't have mattered even if the exact situation repeated itself in the future.

Let it go. You rule ideas would not solve anything, and would simply add another layer of questionable decisions to the game.

And, for what it is worth, the idea that THAT play decided the game is ludicrous. For the last 5 minutes of the game, the Magic only scored on Boston's intentional fouls at the end. Boston, on the other hand, scored or got the offensive rebound on every possession but one. So even IF the refs had made the wrong call (which I disagree because it is very clear that the ball changes spin and trajectory), Orlando would still have to score, and then get a stop, something they didnt do in 5 minutes...

Doesn't come close to trolling to me? He has a difference of opinion and is defending it. Saying let it go could be applied to the people debating him as well.

[dlpin]

Why would I post that on a Magic forum? They're all convinced there's a league conspiracy against them.  Instead of considering a rule which would add clarity to a certain play, they'd be more likely to talk about how David Stern somehow buzzed the officials and told them to make the call.

If you're so adamant that the ball did hit the rim, then what is the harm in checking video to confirm the call? If it's the right call, then you have nothing to worry about as a Celtics fan.  All this brouhaha makes me believe that no one is really that convinced that it did hit the rim. Again, even some Celtics fans doubt that it drew iron, so there is confusion internally and externally.  It's not as clear as you're trying to make it.

Show me a clear cut screen shot of the ball drawing iron, not just your opinion that it hit because it barely changed direction, etc. That alone does not confirm nor disprove what happened.   

Im sorry, but at this point this is borderline trolling. Whenever someone points out that your ideas for rule changes would not have mattered yesterday you say that you are just talking about changes for the future, and then the next post you go back about how they should have done something different yesterday. And you are not even consistent with your rule changes, which go from jumpball to replay...


Here is the thing that pretty much sums it up:
- two of the refs yesterday were certain that the ball hit the rim. So any of the rule changes you propose wouldn't have mattered even if the exact situation repeated itself in the future.

Let it go. You rule ideas would not solve anything, and would simply add another layer of questionable decisions to the game.

And, for what it is worth, the idea that THAT play decided the game is ludicrous. For the last 5 minutes of the game, the Magic only scored on Boston's intentional fouls at the end. Boston, on the other hand, scored or got the offensive rebound on every possession but one. So even IF the refs had made the wrong call (which I disagree because it is very clear that the ball changes spin and trajectory), Orlando would still have to score, and then get a stop, something they didnt do in 5 minutes...

Doesn't come close to trolling to me? He has a difference of opinion and is defending it. Saying let it go could be applied to the people debating him as well.

what do you call the constant moving of goal posts? In fact, what is his opinion at all? Did the ball hit the rim or not?

When someone shows him that his ideas would not have made a difference yesterday, he says that its not about yesterday, but about some future call... and then in the very next post he is back at how his new rule would have changed yesterday. This shifting goal posts make it impossible to actually engage in debate.

[angryguy77]

Why would I post that on a Magic forum? They're all convinced there's a league conspiracy against them.  Instead of considering a rule which would add clarity to a certain play, they'd be more likely to talk about how David Stern somehow buzzed the officials and told them to make the call.

If you're so adamant that the ball did hit the rim, then what is the harm in checking video to confirm the call? If it's the right call, then you have nothing to worry about as a Celtics fan.  All this brouhaha makes me believe that no one is really that convinced that it did hit the rim. Again, even some Celtics fans doubt that it drew iron, so there is confusion internally and externally.  It's not as clear as you're trying to make it.

Show me a clear cut screen shot of the ball drawing iron, not just your opinion that it hit because it barely changed direction, etc. That alone does not confirm nor disprove what happened.   

Can you answer me this: How can an object with that much mass and velocity just chang direction? The net is not solid enough to do that.

Its like this, when Lebron is driving the lane and he cuts through defenders with two steps with one left to beat, then side steps said defender thus changing direction, is this last move made by some unkown force? Or is he taking a third step?