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Sit perk down and start bbd and scal
« on: May 05, 2009, 01:31:38 PM »

Offline Tr1boy

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Jeff mentions on the front page to start scal in place of bbd. I disagree as bbd and scal imo should start and finish the game like they did in game 1.

On the offensive end with bbd and scal capable to shoot jumpers howard has to respect that and try to at least semi guard them outside the paint. That Opens things up especially for rondo who has to get going for us to have any chance to win.

On defense i don't see how bbd can do much worst than perk on against howard and we need to try to double him up when he gets close to the basket

Perk can come in as the first sub guy and destroy gorat etc

Most of you won't agree but just think about the last 16 mins when such lineup listed above paralyzed the magic team on both ends

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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 01:36:35 PM »

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Jeff mentions on the front page to start scal in place of bbd. I disagree as bbd and scal imo should start and finish the game like they did in game 1.

On the offensive end with bbd and scal capable to shoot jumpers howard has to respect that and try to at least semi guard them outside the paint. That Opens things up especially for rondo who has to get going for us to have any chance to win.

On defense i don't see how bbd can do much worst than perk on against howard and we need to try to double him up when he gets close to the basket

Perk can come in as the first sub guy and destroy gorat etc

Most of you won't agree but just think about the last 16 mins when such lineup listed above paralyzed the magic team on both ends

  You thought Perk played terrible defense against DH?

  The Magic want us to double team Dwight. That leaves one of their outside shooters open.

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 01:43:32 PM »

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keep the same starting lineup....no need for a change.  the difference is giving scal more minutes and balancing the lineups among the three.

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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 01:48:35 PM »

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I think Perk has been the most consistently positive contributor for the Celts in these playoffs.  He's strong on defense and on the boards, and has contributed some spurts of offense.  In the Chicago series, his presence was often a game changer.  There's no way I'd reduce his minutes.

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I had absolutely no problem with Perk's defense in game 1. I mean seriously how many players can defend Dwight Howard 1 on 1, period? Maybe Tim Duncan?

I thought Perk defended Dwight well in the first half, and having howard only go 6-12 when a lot of his makes he was in mis-matches off switches. He went 2-6 in the first half a lot of which is due to Perkins.

The biggest problem I had with Perk was when he got outside of himself on Dwight on the offensive end.

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I think Perk has been the most consistently positive contributor for the Celts in these playoffs.  He's strong on defense and on the boards, and has contributed some spurts of offense.  In the Chicago series, his presence was often a game changer.  There's no way I'd reduce his minutes.

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Yea. I thought Perk absolutely stifled Dwight on the isolations down low. I was yelling like crazy for Perk to give Dwight an upfake on one of Perk's offensive possessions after D12 has just picked up a charge on the other end, though. He never upfakes.

One move Doc went with last night might've hurt us big time. He took Perk out in crunch time to sub Baby in. This was quite obviously for the offensive side of the ball, but I think it hurt us. Dwight grabbed an offensive rebound and put it back and got the foul. Perk is just so huge for this team's defense and defensive rebounding. None of the bigs left on the roster are good at defensive rebounding. Baby and Scal are just not good at it.

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Starting either Scal or BBD at center and leaving Perk on the bench is such an insanely bad idea it's amazing. Perk is one of the best defensive centers in the league and probably the best Dwight-defender in the NBA. The Magic already have an advantage in the paint, not using Perk against Howard would multiply their advantage. Play Perk one on one against Dwight and don't worry about him, just focus on stopping everyone else.

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Most of you won't agree but just think about the last 16 mins when such lineup listed above paralyzed the magic team on both ends

Interesting that you mention this.  Perk replaced BBD after the latter picked up his fifth foul at the end of the third quarter - and the Infant did not return until the 3:45 mark of the fourth.

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Most of you won't agree but just think about the last 16 mins when such lineup listed above paralyzed the magic team on both ends

Interesting that you mention this.  Perk replaced BBD after the latter picked up his fifth foul at the end of the third quarter - and the Infant did not return until the 3:45 mark of the fourth.

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I wouldn't sit him.  It's 1 game.  If he came back the next game & put up 15 pts, 12 rebounds, 3 assists & 4 blocks, everyone would be saying "keep Perk in the game."  Let the series play out.

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Perk is the only one that rebounds on this team...well besides the pg Rondo. We need him on the court for as many minutes as possible. The only reason to ever have Perk on the bench is foul trouble. Speaking of rebounds, Baby and Scal (though athletically limited) need to get more. And Pierce should be averaging ten rebounds a game in KG and Powe's absence. Perk is not the problem.

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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 03:21:27 PM »

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Jeff mentions on the front page to start scal in place of bbd. I disagree as bbd and scal imo should start and finish the game like they did in game 1.

On the offensive end with bbd and scal capable to shoot jumpers howard has to respect that and try to at least semi guard them outside the paint. That Opens things up especially for rondo who has to get going for us to have any chance to win.

On defense i don't see how bbd can do much worst than perk on against howard and we need to try to double him up when he gets close to the basket

Perk can come in as the first sub guy and destroy gorat etc

Most of you won't agree but just think about the last 16 mins when such lineup listed above paralyzed the magic team on both ends

C'mon now, admit it, you're really a Magic fan hoping to see Dwight get more 20+ rebound games, right?  That is the only possible explanation for your post.

Double-teaming Dwight is just a bad idea.  He really isn't a scorer and doesn't have great low post moves at all.  Orlando's team is architected to thrive when Dwight gets double-teamed, that's why he is surrounded by 3-pt shooters.

I think we're better off challenging Dwight to score 40 in 1 on 1 coverage and stay home on all the shooters.  He has NEVER taken a game over offensively.  It's just not his game.  They win off his teamates getting open jumpshots.  I'd like to see us prevent those open looks around him and see how successful they can be relying on Howard to carry the scoring load.

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2009, 04:18:57 PM »

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Double-teaming Dwight is just a bad idea.  He really isn't a scorer and doesn't have great low post moves at all. . . .He has NEVER taken a game over offensively.  It's just not his game.

Hmm...  I'm not sure I completely agree with you there.  Howard has two games in the playoffs scoring 30+ points, and he has a bunch of regular season games in the high 20s, low 30s, etc.  Against Charlotte, he scored 45.

I will agree that Howard gets his points more by being a bull than he does via good post moves.  However, the guy is still a highly efficient player who led his team in scoring.  To say he's not a scorer or that he can't take over a game is, to me, inaccurate.

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2009, 05:29:32 PM »

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Double-teaming Dwight is just a bad idea.  He really isn't a scorer and doesn't have great low post moves at all. . . .He has NEVER taken a game over offensively.  It's just not his game.

Hmm...  I'm not sure I completely agree with you there.  Howard has two games in the playoffs scoring 30+ points, and he has a bunch of regular season games in the high 20s, low 30s, etc.  Against Charlotte, he scored 45.

I will agree that Howard gets his points more by being a bull than he does via good post moves.  However, the guy is still a highly efficient player who led his team in scoring.  To say he's not a scorer or that he can't take over a game is, to me, inaccurate.

You forgot to mention that each of those playoff games where he scores over 30, his team lost.  And that 45 pt effort netted his team a only a narrow 5 point win over the lowly (pre-trade) Bobcats.  I wouldn't call that 'taking over'.

My point is that we're much better off making DH carry the scoring load by single covering him than we are doubling and trying to survive the barrage of 3 point shooters.  Doubling him is playing right into their hands.  If he gets 40+, I'm willing to bet his team doesn't clear 85 points for the game.

Conversely, if he is the only one who has it going late in the game and we are staying home on all their 3 pt shooters, I like my chances especially considering his 57% career playoff FT average.