Flagrant Foul from Rondo on Brad Miller??

[WBrownTrophy]

So the Bulls are complaining about that last foul by Rondo. They are saying it was a flagrant and how they should have had two shots AND the ball.

Also TNT did 5-10 minutes on the celtics/bulls game and Charles and Kenny thought it was a flagrant. They said it will be talked about for the rest of the series.

I don't think it was a flagrant. Rondo did what he had to do to stop the layup. If that's a flagrant, then many other fouls would qualify in the playoffs. Give me a break.

Also, TNT spent all that time talking about the Celtics game, and NOT ONE mention to the fact that Ray Allen was fouled out with 5 minutes to go, and they didn't show any of those "controversial" calls.

[Fafnir]

I can see why they'd think it was a flagrant. He hit a guy hard in the head. I don't think it was, but I have green-colored glasses on.

If he were to be suspended I will be very very angry.

Dwight Howard needs to be suspended though. You can't throw an elbow at someone's head like that after a play.

[TonyAllenisbest]

I doesn't matter whether Rondo's foul was flagrant or not. It is debatable.  Ben Gordon stepped out of bounds, the play is not debatable. The Bulls can say whatever they want, but when your player steps out of bounds and you get 3 points out of it when you should have had 0, you have nothing to argue, especially since the play preceded the Rondo play.

[Cs09Champs]

Might have been a flagrant 1 but definitely not a flagrant 2. He deserved it though, he should have been suspended or at least should have been thrown out of the game the other day IMO(game 4).

[vinnie]

So the Bulls are complaining about that last foul by Rondo. They are saying it was a flagrant and how they should have had two shots AND the ball.

Also TNT did 5-10 minutes on the celtics/bulls game and Charles and Kenny thought it was a flagrant. They said it will be talked about for the rest of the series.

I don't think it was a flagrant. Rondo did what he had to do to stop the layup. If that's a flagrant, then many other fouls would qualify in the playoffs. Give me a break.

Also, TNT spent all that time talking about the Celtics game, and NOT ONE mention to the fact that Ray Allen was fouled out with 5 minutes to go, and they didn't show any of those "controversial" calls.

Actually, I think Ray fouled out with a lot more than 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter.

[Kuberski33]

I can see why they'd think it was a flagrant. He hit a guy hard in the head. I don't think it was, but I have green-colored glasses on.

If he were to be suspended I will be very very angry.

I think it was flagrant because he got him in the head as he was going in for a layup.  It was more careless than anything else, but I think it would be wrong to suspend him as there was no malicious intent.  What Dwight Howard did was intentional and I'm sure he'll get suspended.

[Kuberski33]

If you want to talk flagrants though, how about Noah trying to intentionally trip (I think it was) Ray while setting a pick prior to Ray's fouling out in the 4th.  He purposely stuck his leg out and tried to trip Ray up.  THAT was flagrant -- not to mention a cheapshot with intent to injure.

[Cs09Champs]

Here's a picture of it. If anyone finds a video please post it.

[PosImpos]

Sure, let's say it was a flagrant. But should Ray Allen have been called for his 5th and 6th fouls?  No way in hell.  The game would not have been close enough for that extra possession to matter if Ray had played the rest of the game.

Therefore, all is even, and the Bulls should quit ****ing.

[johnnyrondo]

Brad Miller>

[soap07]

Why all the posts referencing other plays? It was clearly a flagrant. Just because other calls were missed or wrong doesn't make Rondo's foul any less of a flagrant.

[PosImpos]

Why all the posts referencing other plays? It was clearly a flagrant. Just because other calls were missed or wrong doesn't make Rondo's foul any less of a flagrant.

Like I said, fine.  I'll give you that it was a flagrant.  But Ray shouldn't have been called on those fouls, so they have no business complaining about calls that didn't go their way.  They got screwed on that call, we got screwed on a few others.  That's life.  If anything, I'd say they lucked out with the vast majority of the calls tonight.

[KJ33]

Why all the posts referencing other plays? It was clearly a flagrant. Just because other calls were missed or wrong doesn't make Rondo's foul any less of a flagrant.

It was not clearly a flagrant, otherwise it would have been called, right?  You need to read the rule before you overreact to Rondo hitting him in the head. As Tim Legler said on ESPN, he played in the league, I presume you did not, fouls to the head on drives are a dime a dozen occurrence in the NBA.  When a 6 ft guard attempts to foul a 7 footer, simple math tells you he probably won't reach the level of the ball.  That doesn't mean Rondo was trying to hit him there intentionally, and the refs ruled correctly as such.  Flagrants are defined by "excessive contact" not by where on the body contact occurs.

[GeoDim]

Okay, we'll say it was a flagrant...Miller missed his first free throw.  We'll say that he makes his second free throw, for argument's sake.  They're still down by 1 with :02 on the clock.  They still would have had to pull off a crazy shot.  This call by no means decided the game.  

In fact, if Miller makes his free throws, the game is tied.  The game was entirely in his hands and he blew it.  He would have a beef if there was no foul called at all, but you can't cry about not getting a flagrant.  Flagrant fouls are completely up for interpretation anyway.  And I love how he wasn't dizzy until immediately after he missed the free throw.  Give me a break.  He thought that it was hilarious when Ray got fouled out for that BS call in the 4th, which was actually a moving pick, but this was apparently unacceptable.

I will agree that the officiating has been inconsistent on both ends.  But the refs didn't lose this game for the Bulls...they had Game 5 wrapped up with 5 minutes to go in the 4th on a visibly worn and Ray Allen-less Celtics team.  Their complacency and inexperience is what lost it for them.

[get_banners]

yeah, what constitutes a flagrant depends...plenty of guys get hit hard in the head, and don't get called for flagrants. yes, miller was obviously pretty messed up from it, but that was more from hitting the floor and pierce on his way down than the hit from rondo. rondo was trying to hit his arm. he missed. besides, why wasn't brad miller assessed a flagrant for throwing an elbow at baby? he shouldn't have, that's why, and rondo shouldn't be given one here, either. a flagrant would mean trying to clothesline miller - not what rondo did. he was clearly making a play on the ball.