Flagrant Foul from Rondo on Brad Miller??

[lon3lytoaster]

Dear, Brad Miller. Shut up, you weren't drafted, no one loves you.

It was just karma, brad.

[Drucci]

If Rondo gets suspensed for this foul it will be clear that the NBA wants the Bulls to win the series, especially when you consider than Brad Miller didn't get any suspension for his foul on BBD during game 4.

[kenmaine]

Brad Miller>

I gave you a TP, but Brad Miller is UGLY. Not fair to the kid.

[Drucci]

[Roy Hobbs]

Yeah, it was probably a flagrant.  One thing I hate about the NBA is that the refs base calls like this on the size of the two players.  If BBD fouls somebody, making a play on the ball, he may get accessed a flagrant for "excessive contact" just because he's a big dude, and caused a big collision.  A small guy like Rondo, fouling a guy like Miller, is less likely to be called. 

If Miller had made the *exact* same play on Rondo, with the exact same amount of contact, Rondo would have went sprawling, Miller would have been ejected, and Celtics fans would be calling for his head.

[Bankshot]

I agree with what Tim Legler said last night when he said it was not a flagrant foul.  Rondo definitely went for the ball, but Miller is 7 feet tall and had his arm outstretched, so Rondo got his face instead of Miller's hand or the ball.  Watch the replay again.

[bostonftw]

He's just really a big cry baby. He always looks like he's going to have a cry every time camera is on him 

We could've won a bit earlier when we were up by 3 & Tony Allen was called with a foul on Gordon at the 3 point line when Gordon's feet was stepping out of bounce before the foul  But then again it's a completely different matter..

[Celtics17]

If it had been Perk fouling Gordon in the same manner it would have been called flagrant. If Big Baby fouls Noah it probably still would have been called but when the smallest guy on the court fouls the oppositions biggest guy in that manner at that point of the game then it is probably not going to be called, and it shouldnt be either. The league is a little too strict on hard fouls. They are part of the playoff basketball as well they should be.

[the_Bird]

Yeah, it was probably a flagrant.  One thing I hate about the NBA is that the refs base calls like this on the size of the two players.  If BBD fouls somebody, making a play on the ball, he may get accessed a flagrant for "excessive contact" just because he's a big dude, and caused a big collision.  A small guy like Rondo, fouling a guy like Miller, is less likely to be called. 

If Miller had made the *exact* same play on Rondo, with the exact same amount of contact, Rondo would have went sprawling, Miller would have been ejected, and Celtics fans would be calling for his head.

Still, Rondo knew how the refs would call that, so he absolutely made the smart play.  Argue whether the size of the players should matter or not (I agree with you, a flagrant's a flagrant), the refs called that play the same way they do all the time.  So, DON'T let Miller get the free dunk, and absolutely DO NOT allow an and-1 to win the game! 

Had it BEEN called a flagrant, the Bulls still would have been down at least 1 point (a flagrant call's not going to make Miller's head stop spinning), and I highly doubt there would have been a full 2.0 seconds on the clock for them to score again (pretty clear watching the replay they gave the C's an extra half-second; I suspect that would have gone the other way if it would have benefitted the home team).

[MMacOH]

If Rondo gets suspensed for this foul it will be clear that the NBA wants the Bulls to win the series, especially when you consider than Brad Miller didn't get any suspension for his foul on BBD during game 4.

This is one of the silliest things I have ever read.  Yes, the NBA wants the mega market Celtics out in the first round, give me a break.

Rondo will most likely be suspended considering he wound up and swung at Miller from behind and hit him in the head.  That was a flagrant foul.

If that play was reversed and it was BBD going up for the layup and Rose hit him like that, about 85% of the people on this board would be crying 'conspiracy'

[BballTim]

Yeah, it was probably a flagrant.  One thing I hate about the NBA is that the refs base calls like this on the size of the two players.  If BBD fouls somebody, making a play on the ball, he may get accessed a flagrant for "excessive contact" just because he's a big dude, and caused a big collision.  A small guy like Rondo, fouling a guy like Miller, is less likely to be called. 

If Miller had made the *exact* same play on Rondo, with the exact same amount of contact, Rondo would have went sprawling, Miller would have been ejected, and Celtics fans would be calling for his head.

  Has anyone besides Cassell been ejected for fouling Rondo? Because he's been fouled that bad or worse on a number of occasions, especially by bigger guys. And that's not counting DH taking a swing at Rajon with no consequences whatsoever.

[CelticsWhat35]

If Rondo gets suspensed for this foul it will be clear that the NBA wants the Bulls to win the series, especially when you consider than Brad Miller didn't get any suspension for his foul on BBD during game 4.

This is one of the silliest things I have ever read.  Yes, the NBA wants the mega market Celtics out in the first round, give me a break.

Rondo will most likely be suspended considering he wound up and swung at Miller from behind and hit him in the head.  That was a flagrant foul.

If that play was reversed and it was BBD going up for the layup and Rose hit him like that, about 85% of the people on this board would be crying 'conspiracy'

In case you haven't noticed, Chicago is a pretty big market.  And without one of it's most marketable stars, the Bulls would be better for the league going forward, because they have the young guys that haven't gotten as much national attention.  I'm not saying it has any affect on the game, but from the standpoint of the league, I'm sure they would rather see the Bulls advance.

And don't give me that "wind up" crap.  Rondo didn't have time for that.  He was out of position and took a swipe and hit Miller in the head.  If you think it's flagrant, fine.  But just because the refs didn't get the call right doesn't mean the league should step in and suspend the guy.  This is basketball.  Noah got bloody on a play when HE committed the foul.  These things happen.  Flagrant, maybe.  Cause for suspension??  Absolutely not.

[Drucci]

If Rondo gets suspensed for this foul it will be clear that the NBA wants the Bulls to win the series, especially when you consider than Brad Miller didn't get any suspension for his foul on BBD during game 4.

This is one of the silliest things I have ever read.  Yes, the NBA wants the mega market Celtics out in the first round, give me a break.

Rondo will most likely be suspended considering he wound up and swung at Miller from behind and hit him in the head.  That was a flagrant foul.

If that play was reversed and it was BBD going up for the layup and Rose hit him like that, about 85% of the people on this board would be crying 'conspiracy'

Chicago is also a big market, and there is no doubt that a Bull teams led by the Rookie of the Year in the second round of playoffs after having knocked out the defending champions (KG-less) is a much more interesting headline than a depleted Celtics team moving in the next round.

However, I'm not buying into the conspiracy theory but if Rondo gets suspended for this foul (this is my biggest fear coming into game 6) I'll buy into it.

Rondo clearly went to the ball on that play but he was too small and his hand ended on Miller's head. It's a foul but not a flagrant one, he didn't intentionally hurt him.

BballTim > Marvin Williams was thrown out of the game after he made a flagrant foul on Rondo in Boston/Atlanta's game 7 last year, that was a flagrant, without a doubt.

[Brickowski]

How can Rondo be suspended when it was not a flagrant?

This whole discussion is ridiculous.  Rondo weighs around 170. Miller weighs 275.  Rondo was trying to make a play and hit him in the face.  So what?

[housecall]

There's a double standard applied when higher seeded teams aledgedly commits hard fouls.Remember T.Thomas having a "fit"back a few games ago,mugging BBD and going crazy on players.Did the media or the league make a big deal out of it?Nope,we never heard anymore about it.Its always when the higher seeded team that aledgedly does the wrong,when it becomes a BIG deal.