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Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2009, 11:27:21 PM »

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I agree, Nick. Tony in very short, situational doses only.

The good news is we found a taker for Gerald Green, the dumbest NBA player I've ever seen. There's someone out there who will take Tony off our hands this summer.
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Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2009, 11:29:39 PM »

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I think ONE posession TA played good D out there on Gordon. The rest were terrible. He was being jerked right and left on every crossover putting him out of position defensively. If Gordon wasn't hurt he'd have likely had 10 more free throws on him. Marbury did a much better job.

Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2009, 11:32:37 PM »

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I agree, Nick. Tony in very short, situational doses only.

The good news is we found a taker for Gerald Green, the dumbest NBA player I've ever seen. There's someone out there who will take Tony off our hands this summer.
I never in my life saw a situation where Danny was going to bring back Tony last year. That he did it and did it for a two year period is mind boggling to me. I just can't understand why the 2nd year wasn't a team option given Tony's injury history.

Just another of a long line of complaints I have with Danny Ainge since this team when game 6 of the Finals last year. I hope he can look in the mirror and realize what a poor job he did for this team this year and correct it by wrapping up Rondo and Baby to good contracts and moving some dead weight and using his MLE and LLE for good productive veteran role players that can and have given good production consistently for years and for years to come.

Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2009, 11:34:24 PM »

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I think ONE posession TA played good D out there on Gordon. The rest were terrible. He was being jerked right and left on every crossover putting him out of position defensively. If Gordon wasn't hurt he'd have likely had 10 more free throws on him. Marbury did a much better job.

  FWIW, Doc said that Tony made a dumb foul but also that he (and Perk) changed the game with his defense.

Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2009, 11:36:09 PM »

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I agree, Nick. Tony in very short, situational doses only.

The good news is we found a taker for Gerald Green, the dumbest NBA player I've ever seen. There's someone out there who will take Tony off our hands this summer.
I never in my life saw a situation where Danny was going to bring back Tony last year. That he did it and did it for a two year period is mind boggling to me. I just can't understand why the 2nd year wasn't a team option given Tony's injury history.

Just another of a long line of complaints I have with Danny Ainge since this team when game 6 of the Finals last year. I hope he can look in the mirror and realize what a poor job he did for this team this year and correct it by wrapping up Rondo and Baby to good contracts and moving some dead weight and using his MLE and LLE for good productive veteran role players that can and have given good production consistently for years and for years to come.

Yeah. The reason we have no bench falls on the heads of Danny and Grousbeck. When you look at each of the moves, though, there's an alarming common denominator: the cheapest move possible. With, of course, the exception of the inexplicable two-year investment in a guy who cannot think the game.

So, I wonder: Is the disaster that was last summer solely Ainge's fault? Might be. Might not be.

Whatever, the epitaph for this season is clear: We cannot do such a sloppy, penny-pinching, haphazard job rebuilding the devastation of this bench if we're serious about chasing another title. What the penny-pinching has done to Pierce's minutes borders on the criminal.

Perhaps we're not serious. The evidence one way or the other will surface soon after the season about the resources we're going to commit.
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Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2009, 11:38:17 PM »

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I think ONE posession TA played good D out there on Gordon. The rest were terrible. He was being jerked right and left on every crossover putting him out of position defensively. If Gordon wasn't hurt he'd have likely had 10 more free throws on him. Marbury did a much better job.

  FWIW, Doc said that Tony made a dumb foul but also that he (and Perk) changed the game with his defense.

I see. So Doc said it. My bad. No way he can be trying to pump up his players...

I know what I saw. TA two steps behind Gordon the entire time reading the back of his jersey. That wasn't good D. That was a guy not smart enough to knock Noah on his butt running through his moving screens one time so he stops getting picked off.

His play reminds me of this guy we play pickup ball that is an unbelievable crossover guy. Every time I end up switched on him he has me wobbling back and forth until he decides to either blow past me or raise up. When he misses one from outside does that mean I played good defense?!

TA is out of control out there which is a big reason he commits so many stupid fouls.

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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2009, 11:41:27 PM »

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I think ONE posession TA played good D out there on Gordon. The rest were terrible. He was being jerked right and left on every crossover putting him out of position defensively. If Gordon wasn't hurt he'd have likely had 10 more free throws on him. Marbury did a much better job.

  FWIW, Doc said that Tony made a dumb foul but also that he (and Perk) changed the game with his defense.

I see. So Doc said it. My bad. No way he can be trying to pump up his players...

I know what I saw. TA two steps behind Gordon the entire time reading the back of his jersey. That wasn't good D. That was a guy not smart enough to knock Noah on his butt running through his moving screens one time so he stops getting picked off.

His play reminds me of this guy we play pickup ball that is an unbelievable crossover guy. Every time I end up switched on him he has me wobbling back and forth until he decides to either blow past me or raise up. When he misses one from outside does that mean I played good defense?!

TA is out of control out there which is a big reason he commits so many stupid fouls.

Haha EJ I have a freshman on my team who tries to pump me up by yelling "GOOD D!" every timemy man misses a shot--even when I do the Rondo swipe-from-behind-release-onto-the-break move. Its pretty funny.

And no, its not good defense.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2009, 11:43:03 PM »

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I think ONE posession TA played good D out there on Gordon. The rest were terrible. He was being jerked right and left on every crossover putting him out of position defensively. If Gordon wasn't hurt he'd have likely had 10 more free throws on him. Marbury did a much better job.

  FWIW, Doc said that Tony made a dumb foul but also that he (and Perk) changed the game with his defense.

I see. So Doc said it. My bad. No way he can be trying to pump up his players...

I know what I saw. TA two steps behind Gordon the entire time reading the back of his jersey. That wasn't good D. That was a guy not smart enough to knock Noah on his butt running through his moving screens one time so he stops getting picked off.

His play reminds me of this guy we play pickup ball that is an unbelievable crossover guy. Every time I end up switched on him he has me wobbling back and forth until he decides to either blow past me or raise up. When he misses one from outside does that mean I played good defense?!

TA is out of control out there which is a big reason he commits so many stupid fouls.

Tony had some good defensive possessions, and he did help slow Gordon down.

And then, as always, his brain froze up and he undid it all.
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Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2009, 11:44:06 PM »

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Tony is good in bursts--he's what my coach calls "flubber".

Totally over the top and out of control, but occasionally useful.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2009, 11:45:32 PM »

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I have to remember that one.

I call them "pinch-runners" on my club - the guys you can't trust to do anything substantive in the game.
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Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2009, 11:48:09 PM »

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I have to remember that one.

I call them "pinch-runners" on my club - the guys you can't trust to do anything substantive in the game.

And yet, they're hilarious to watch during blowouts.

Pinch-runners is a good one too.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2009, 11:50:38 PM »

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I think ONE posession TA played good D out there on Gordon. The rest were terrible. He was being jerked right and left on every crossover putting him out of position defensively. If Gordon wasn't hurt he'd have likely had 10 more free throws on him. Marbury did a much better job.

  FWIW, Doc said that Tony made a dumb foul but also that he (and Perk) changed the game with his defense.

I see. So Doc said it. My bad. No way he can be trying to pump up his players...

I know what I saw. TA two steps behind Gordon the entire time reading the back of his jersey. That wasn't good D. That was a guy not smart enough to knock Noah on his butt running through his moving screens one time so he stops getting picked off.


  I was just pointing out what Doc says. Clearly you know more about these things than he does.

Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2009, 11:52:07 PM »

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I think ONE posession TA played good D out there on Gordon. The rest were terrible. He was being jerked right and left on every crossover putting him out of position defensively. If Gordon wasn't hurt he'd have likely had 10 more free throws on him. Marbury did a much better job.

  FWIW, Doc said that Tony made a dumb foul but also that he (and Perk) changed the game with his defense.

I see. So Doc said it. My bad. No way he can be trying to pump up his players...

I know what I saw. TA two steps behind Gordon the entire time reading the back of his jersey. That wasn't good D. That was a guy not smart enough to knock Noah on his butt running through his moving screens one time so he stops getting picked off.


  I was just pointing out what Doc says. Clearly you know more about these things than he does.

Doc will find some support for that in the film, although game-changing is Brickowski-style hyperbolic.

And then, he'll watch the foul on the Gordon three and remember why he doesn't want to play Tony.
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Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2009, 11:55:04 PM »

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You guys are way too harsh on Tony. If he gave BG another inch of space, BG would have nailed a 3, and you all would be crying what poor defense.  BG leaned in to TA to create the contact. It was a very smart play by him.  And let's face it: when Gordon gets into one of those zones, ain't no one stopping him. No one.  He can get his shot off anyone.  Just relish the vic and move on to game 6.  Give the Bulls credit. They are playing us extremely tough. And as much as we miss Powe and KG, don't forget that they are without Deng.  The Miller and Salmon trade has really improved them alot.  They are going to be a top 4 team in the East next year.

Re: Tony Allen
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2009, 12:00:09 AM »

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The fear he showed in passing up that late three to give Rondo a buzzer beater floater really bothered me. I want a confident, almost cocky, Marbury on offense and he is so tentative that he is hurting this team. Take the shot Marbury.

I'd like to watch him shoot during practice - I'm just curious about how his shot falls when it doesn't matter.  I seriously think that this is just a confidence issue and they'd fall if he thinks they'd fall.

It's a shame that he didn't take that shot, though - if he makes that, his confidence skyrockets and I think he becomes a force to be reckoned with for the rest of the playoffs.

Marbury is absolute MONEY when he is warming up and doing shootaround. I watched him like a hawk before games 3 and 4.

As much as I wanted him to take that shot, he did make a good pass to Rondo.

I wish Rondo would have went to the rim for a layup instead of trying a floater though.