Refs

[CoachBo]

I dunno - just watched the replay and Tony jumps forward ever so slightly, chestbumps him, and hit his elbow with his left forearm.  Given the effect it had on the shot, and that Tony doesn't sell many jerseys, they're probably gonna call that.

That's exactly what happened, and it's a terrible, idiotic basketball play to let a guy throwing up a prayer off the hook like that.

[EJPLAYA]

I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

That fool goes right up there with Bennett Salvatore.

As for Tony, that's an alibi, Brick. It was an incredibly stupid play by a guy who's made a career out of them. And it was a foul.

Watch the replay again. Tony NEVER TOUCHED HIM.

That's absolutely insane Brick. I know you like the idiot for some reason, but he clearly came up under his arm during the shot hitting him below the elbow. That's why the ball only went about half way to the rim. Be serious. You can argue that it was a touch foul if you want, but to state he never touched him. It just isn't the truth and it makes your argument weaker when everyone knows he clearly hit him. Just another case of stupid TA trying to block an off balance jump shooter. He hasn't learned still. Imagine that...

[fairweatherfan]

Craziest stat I just came across - in an OT game with such erratic, questionable officiating, Kendrick Perkins finished with exactly zero fouls in 48 minutes.  Big, big credit to the big man today - he took it to another level.

And I hope he gets on Ray next practice for not making dumb fouls 

[Steve Weinman]

I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

That fool goes right up there with Bennett Salvatore.

As for Tony, that's an alibi, Brick. It was an incredibly stupid play by a guy who's made a career out of them. And it was a foul.

Watch the replay again. Tony NEVER TOUCHED HIM.

I don't think that's the case.

-sw

[Greg]

We hush when it's us, make a fuss when it's them.

You see, that's the stance I usually take towards calls in a game (even though the bias in me sometimes gets the better of me).

However, tonight was just ridiculous.  A physical player like Lebron James will bump and grab all game, yet he averages less than two fouls / game.  Why?  Because he's a superstar and he gets that respect.

However, Ray Allen is also a superstar, a future hall of famer.  Yet, he gets called on a pair of nonsense, off-ball fouls in the fourth quarter of a pivotal game 5 in a back and forth playoff series.

Just doesn't seem right to me.  I don't believe in conspiracies, but the reffing has been downright disrespectful to the defending champs in this series.

[reggie35]

I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

That fool goes right up there with Bennett Salvatore.

As for Tony, that's an alibi, Brick. It was an incredibly stupid play by a guy who's made a career out of them. And it was a foul.

Watch the replay again. Tony NEVER TOUCHED HIM.

I don't think that's the case.

-sw

That foul was a nice bailout for Gordon who leaned into his shot to draw the foul. It shouldn't have gotten to that point because he stepped out of bounds. If Gordon had gotten a clean look, the Tony haters would be calling for his head just the same.

The Celtics get zero respect from the officials, zero. The only time Pierce gets to the line these days is if they knock his head band off. The wrestling comparison is apt.

The ref situation makes it difficult to watch.

[get_banners]

on the gordon shot, yes, there was contact. but it was mostly because tony played really tight defense on gordon. when he went up for the shot, his arm hit tony's. technically, it was a foul. in the playoffs, that late in a game, it probably should not have been called - gordon initiated it more than tony did. but at least i can see that one. the fouls on ray allen, different story. foul 6 was not a foul on him. foul 5 was technically a foul, but ray and paul have been getting the same stuff done to them with no calls on the other end. just bush league stuff.

[liam]

on the gordon shot, yes, there was contact. but it was mostly because tony played really tight defense on gordon. when he went up for the shot, his arm hit tony's. technically, it was a foul. in the playoffs, that late in a game, it probably should not have been called - gordon initiated it more than tony did. but at least i can see that one. the fouls on ray allen, different story. foul 6 was not a foul on him. foul 5 was technically a foul, but ray and paul have been getting the same stuff done to them with no calls on the other end. just bush league stuff.

Bush league is the best description.

[fairweatherfan]

foul 6 was not a foul on him. foul 5 was technically a foul, but ray and paul have been getting the same stuff done to them with no calls on the other end. just bush league stuff.

Agree - 6 was bogus, and if fouls like #5 were called all the time Rip Hamilton wouldn't've made it to halftime of a single game in the ECF last year.  I'd also like to add that foul #4 was a blatant push-off by Gordon on the fast break.

[TonyAllenisbest]

How is being out of bounds not reviewable if on the same play they are reviewing whether or not Gordon was behind the 3PT line? If they are reviewing whether Gordon was on the 3PT line and they clearly see that his foot was out of bounds, which it clearly was, how do they not make the call a turnover? I mean they are not specifically stopping play to see if he was out of bounds. They are looking at it to see something else, and if they see his foot is out of bounds how is that call not made? That makes no sense.   After looking at the replay should have been Celtics ball.

[Kuberski33]

Had a pretty good look at Tony Allen's foul.  I think think he got him.  I also thought the refs actually HELPED the Celtics because they let Perk and Baby actually play.  Perk got away with a lot, not that I'm complaining.

On the other hand, those last 3 calls against Ray were h-------t -- especially I thought the 5th one, which was just awful.

Not a good night for the zebras

[Steve Weinman]

How is being out of bounds not reviewable if on the same play they are reviewing whether or not Gordon was behind the 3PT line? If they are reviewing whether Gordon was on the 3PT line and they clearly see that his foot was out of bounds, which it clearly was, how do they not make the call a turnover? I mean they are not specifically stopping play to see if he was out of bounds. They are looking at it to see something else, and if they see his foot is out of bounds how is that call not made? That makes no sense.   After looking at the replay should have been Celtics ball.

Because the rules permit the review of whether a shot was a two or a three, but they do not permit review of out-of-bounds calls or non-calls.

If you don't like the rule, that's your prerogative.  But it doesn't change the fact that under the rules it is their job to enforce, once the play went under review, the referees made the correct call.

-sw

[guava_wrench]

We hush when it's us, make a fuss when it's them.

You see, that's the stance I usually take towards calls in a game (even though the bias in me sometimes gets the better of me).

However, tonight was just ridiculous.  A physical player like Lebron James will bump and grab all game, yet he averages less than two fouls / game.  Why?  Because he's a superstar and he gets that respect.

However, Ray Allen is also a superstar, a future hall of famer.  Yet, he gets called on a pair of nonsense, off-ball fouls in the fourth quarter of a pivotal game 5 in a back and forth playoff series.

Just doesn't seem right to me.  I don't believe in conspiracies, but the reffing has been downright disrespectful to the defending champs in this series.

We got some great calls. Like the phantom Rose foul on BBD on the break. The refs didn't seem to want to call anything in the halfcourt offense, but called contact on fast breaks. We were as physical as they were and benefited plenty from the refs letting them play. We would have been in trouble if they were calling everything on Perk.

The Ray tangle up with Miller, well, they had to call something. They couldn't let that go. They were wrestling to long and too obviously.

[Kuberski33]

Wow...just saw the replay of Miller's drive with :02 left.....that should have been a flagrant on Rondo.  These guys sucked for both teams.

[guava_wrench]

Wow...just saw the replay of Miller's drive with :02 left.....that should have been a flagrant on Rondo.  These guys sucked for both teams.

Yeah. We got lucky on that one. Didn't look like Miller was going to finish anyway. He has been garbage all series down low. Rondo shouldn't have risked it.

I don't agree that refs sucked though. They just let them play very physical down low. Same thing as last year in the playoffs. Last year, it benefited us big time, so I would be a hypocrite to want this to turn into the WNBA this season.