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Re: Refs
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2009, 10:42:00 PM »

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I'm not a conspiracy guy, and I don't think the refs intentionally fouled Ray out or anything, but, if the refs had set out to intentionally foul him out, it would've looked a lot like that.  That last foul was comically bad.

Also, how the hell does Doc complain about the refs and suddenly the point of emphasis is Ray Allen defending cuts?  What does it take for this team to get any respect out there? 

Also loved that they reviewed whether Gordon was behind the three point line, but somehow missed the fact that he stepped out of bounds before he shot it.  Brilliant.

I think out-of-bounds isn't reviewable - they couldn't do anything about it even if they saw it.  Hope they saw it and it moved their head a millimeter further out of their "butts" (can't say real word) though


Does anyone know for sure?

Looks it, found this on Wiki:

"In NBA basketball, the officials must watch an instant replay of a buzzer beater to determine if the shot was released before time expired.

Beginning with the 2007-08 season, replay also can be used in determining players being ejected from contests involving brawls or flagrant fouls. In the 2008-09 season, replay may also be used to correctly determine whether a scored field goal is worth two or three points. It may also be used to determine the correct amount of free throws awarded for a missed field goal."

So wouldn't the correct amount of free throws be zero then?

Re: Refs
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2009, 10:43:31 PM »

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Well, the last three fouls on Ray Allen were bogus, and the play at the end where TA was called on Gordon was also bogus.  They showed the replay 3 times and TA did not touch Gordon's shooting hand nor did he get him with the body.  It was perfect defense and an acting job by Gordon.

Re: Refs
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2009, 10:43:47 PM »

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I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

That fool goes right up there with Bennett Salvatore.

As for Tony, that's an alibi, Brick. It was an incredibly stupid play by a guy who's made a career out of them. And it was a foul.

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Re: Refs
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2009, 10:43:52 PM »

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So wouldn't the correct amount of free throws be zero then?

No, I mean it's like football - they can't change that call on review.  If they don't call it on the court it doesn't matter if he's 5 feet out on replay, they can't change it.

I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

That fool goes right up there with Bennett Salvatore.

That was a ref wanting so badly to not influence the game that he influenced it big-time in the wrong direction.  Unless Ray grabbed his nuts or something and we didn't see it that was a truly cowardly call.

Re: Refs
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2009, 10:45:17 PM »

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I'm not a conspiracy guy, and I don't think the refs intentionally fouled Ray out or anything, but, if the refs had set out to intentionally foul him out, it would've looked a lot like that.  That last foul was comically bad.

Also, how the hell does Doc complain about the refs and suddenly the point of emphasis is Ray Allen defending cuts?  What does it take for this team to get any respect out there? 

Also loved that they reviewed whether Gordon was behind the three point line, but somehow missed the fact that he stepped out of bounds before he shot it.  Brilliant.

I think out-of-bounds isn't reviewable - they couldn't do anything about it even if they saw it.  Hope they saw it and it moved their head a millimeter further out of their "butts" (can't say real word) though


Does anyone know for sure?


No, out of bounds is not reviewable.  Even if they see the player was out of bounds while reviewing for something else (shot clock, two or three pointer, etc) they can not over rule the call on the court.  

Re: Refs
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2009, 10:50:05 PM »

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I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

That fool goes right up there with Bennett Salvatore.

As for Tony, that's an alibi, Brick. It was an incredibly stupid play by a guy who's made a career out of them. And it was a foul.

Watch the replay again. Tony NEVER TOUCHED HIM.

Re: Refs
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2009, 10:58:31 PM »

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My biggest fear now is that they are going to say that Rondo's foul on Miller was a flagrant and suspend him for the next game.  Would it surprise anyone?  Miller throws a punch at Big Baby and nothing. Ariza and Bynum put guys in the hospital and no suspension.   KG and Ray were suspended for doing nothing.  This may be Stern's big chance to really stick it to the Celtics. 

Re: Refs
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2009, 11:00:50 PM »

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I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

That fool goes right up there with Bennett Salvatore.

As for Tony, that's an alibi, Brick. It was an incredibly stupid play by a guy who's made a career out of them. And it was a foul.

Watch the replay again. Tony NEVER TOUCHED HIM.

I wouldn't say he never touched him, but I will say they never call that down the stretch.  Never.

Re: Refs
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2009, 11:02:17 PM »

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My biggest fear now is that they are going to say that Rondo's foul on Miller was a flagrant and suspend him for the next game.  Would it surprise anyone?  Miller throws a punch at Big Baby and nothing. Ariza and Bynum put guys in the hospital and no suspension.   KG and Ray were suspended for doing nothing.  This may be Stern's big chance to really stick it to the Celtics. 

Doc might as well send Stern the information for his checking account - he'd be fined so much for his comments afterward that he'd have to ask the Fed for a bailout.  

I agree with you, though - this is a cause for concern.

Re: Refs
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2009, 11:07:26 PM »

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I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

That fool goes right up there with Bennett Salvatore.

As for Tony, that's an alibi, Brick. It was an incredibly stupid play by a guy who's made a career out of them. And it was a foul.

Watch the replay again. Tony NEVER TOUCHED HIM.

Yes he did. As he went to get his arms in the air, his hand knocked Gordon's elbow up.

That being said NBA Refs suck.

Re: Refs
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2009, 11:19:26 PM »

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Really bad calls tonight. That call of a foul on Rose on one play that wasn't then the next time down the floor he's fouled, Rondo pushes him, and no call. This game was very badly officiated. That call  to toss Ray was the height of stupid. Miller is a big winy bully. I thought he was going to cry. Maybe a couple of moving screens and a cheap shot will cheer him up for the next game.

Re: Refs
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2009, 11:20:04 PM »

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In general the NBA likes to keep games close. That is the basic conspiracy. And they won't do this to 'annointed' teams, like the Cavs. That a team like the Lakers had this going for them and the Jazz still got back into most of those games should tell you how weak LA really is.

NBA fans need to learn the basic pro wrestling terms. The league is trying to "put over" the Bulls in the same way they tried to "put over" the Hawks last year.

The new rule for picking the best first round opponent is: which team is not young and "on the way up?" This used to be the best choice. Young teams are inconsistent, sloppy, foul too much, and experienced vets are more dangerous in a playoff series than they are in terms of their regular season win total. Unless they had a young Shaq or someone, a legit dominator and some vet support, the young team was always the better option.

But now the refs ignore all the sloppy fouling to help "put over" the young team. "Put over" basically means 'establish with the fans.' Meanwhile, the refs hate the Pistons and the league wants it to be Lebron's year. So they wear us down with a long series, and let the Cavs sweep Detroit. The league just would not let this series be a 4-0 or 4-1 for Boston with a 10-15 free throw advantage and 15 point end game margin for Boston every game, but that's how it should have gone down. We are playing with one hand tied behind our backs, just like last year, before you even talk about Kevin.

I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

Miller did the same leg move they fouled Perk out on the game before. I.e. the same thing Noah does 10 times a game because he is inexperienced and clumsy. Bulls are getting the benefit of 'playoff rules' defense and the C's have been called tight.

Watch the replay again. Tony NEVER TOUCHED HIM.

There was a tiny bit of inconsequential off-hand vs off hand contact well before the shot and before he stepped out of bounds. If the refs were consistent about the 'playoff rules' it's clearly no foul at all. If they wanted to call the ticky-tackiest violations, Gordon can't have been shooting because he stepped out of bounds before he even started the shooting motion.

Re: Refs
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2009, 11:23:24 PM »

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I dunno - just watched the replay and Tony jumps forward ever so slightly, chestbumps him, and hit his elbow with his left forearm.  Given the effect it had on the shot, and that Tony doesn't sell many jerseys, they're probably gonna call that.

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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2009, 11:25:45 PM »

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Oh yeah, and first person to make or find a video of Ray's fouls tonight gets a big TP.  I want to see those Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.es consecutively.

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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2009, 11:29:52 PM »

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I still want the name of that clown who called a Brad Miller hook of Ray Allen a double foul.

That fool goes right up there with Bennett Salvatore.

As for Tony, that's an alibi, Brick. It was an incredibly stupid play by a guy who's made a career out of them. And it was a foul.

Watch the replay again. Tony NEVER TOUCHED HIM.

Only in your mind, Brick.

Hey, how'd the Raptors do this year?
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