Big Baby is Legit!

[celts55]

BBD has definitely stepped it up and is playing much better than he was earlier, however we do need to step back from all this "man-crush" and look at it from a realistic view.

We are talking about a 6'6" PF/Center who can't jump. Can't block shots. Can't rebound at an above average clip. Can't score around the basket effectively against bigger players. (3-4 possessions last night he should have scored but was blocked or took a bad shot)

He is shooting the ball right now at a solid rate, but nothing amazing.

Game 1 - 3-6 outside shots.
Game 2 - 5-13 outside shots.
Game 3- 1-5 outside shots.

Let's not make this guy out to be the greatest PF shooter in the history of the game.

He does however hustle and play solid defense and passes well. He is lovable. Do you really think that he is as "must have" as many are trying to portray? I'd like him back, however I sure wouldn't break the bank for him.

Not to be one of those people who picks one thing out of a post, but he can and does block some shots. Is he a shot blocking presence, no, but the block on Noah's jam was pretty impressive. He's pretty quick for a big fellow. Personally, I think his biggest problem is that he does get swollowed up under the basket. I don't know if there is much he can do about that, as he's not that tall.

Sorry to break the news to you, but he is 8th on our team in blocks and is actually behind Scal. You really want to try and say he is a shot blocker?!

Well, yes I want to say he's a shot blocker, but I guess I can't. Well there's 15 players on the team, so at 8 I can say he's aveage.

[BballTim]

BBD has definitely stepped it up and is playing much better than he was earlier, however we do need to step back from all this "man-crush" and look at it from a realistic view.

We are talking about a 6'6" PF/Center who can't jump. Can't block shots. Can't rebound at an above average clip. Can't score around the basket effectively against bigger players. (3-4 possessions last night he should have scored but was blocked or took a bad shot)

He is shooting the ball right now at a solid rate, but nothing amazing.

Game 1 - 3-6 outside shots.
Game 2 - 5-13 outside shots.
Game 3- 1-5 outside shots.

Let's not make this guy out to be the greatest PF shooter in the history of the game.

He does however hustle and play solid defense and passes well. He is lovable. Do you really think that he is as "must have" as many are trying to portray? I'd like him back, however I sure wouldn't break the bank for him.

Not to be one of those people who picks one thing out of a post, but he can and does block some shots. Is he a shot blocking presence, no, but the block on Noah's jam was pretty impressive. He's pretty quick for a big fellow. Personally, I think his biggest problem is that he does get swollowed up under the basket. I don't know if there is much he can do about that, as he's not that tall.

Sorry to break the news to you, but he is 8th on our team in blocks and is actually behind Scal. You really want to try and say he is a shot blocker?!

Well, yes I want to say he's a shot blocker, but I guess I can't. Well there's 15 players on the team, so at 8 I can say he's aveage.

  True, but you'd hope that a big would be a little above average...

  I missed game 1 (only saw the highlights), but it seemed like a few of his dunk attempts didn't come close to getting over the rim. I don't think that a little more explosiveness would hurt his game. I think he'd have to lose a decent amount of weight in order to lose his "bulk advantage".

[elcotte]

He's quickly playing himself into a must-sign. Very pleased with his game on both ends of the floor, his energy and his decision-making.

i think this is the best post you've ever put up.

[Birdbrain]

He's quickly playing himself into a must-sign. Very pleased with his game on both ends of the floor, his energy and his decision-making.

i think this is the best post you've ever put up.

agreed no offense..

[xmuscularghandix]

no offense to anybody... but if you still are on him about his weight then your just dumb. He's worked on his strength and conditining but his size is what allows him to get inside and survive against bigger players.

[LarBrd33]

no offense to anybody... but if you still are on him about his weight then your just dumb. He's worked on his strength and conditining but his size is what allows him to get inside and survive against bigger players.

At least for me it's not his weight that I have a problem with.  It's his effort and dedication.  How did he manage to gain weight after being drafted?  Did the Celtics ask him to get fatter?

[xmuscularghandix]

no offense to anybody... but if you still are on him about his weight then your just dumb. He's worked on his strength and conditining but his size is what allows him to get inside and survive against bigger players.

At least for me it's not his weight that I have a problem with.  It's his effort and dedication.  How did he manage to gain weight after being drafted?  Did the Celtics ask him to get fatter?

just becuase he is bigger doesn't mean he's fatter. Maybe he was working out so that he could make space in the paint against NBA players. And you have a problem with it? you question his dedication? BBD's only problem is that when he gets hot he gets confused and thinks he's Chris Paul with the ball handling and shot selection, but Glen plays extremely hard and cares about winning.

[Bankshot]

no offense to anybody... but if you still are on him about his weight then your just dumb. He's worked on his strength and conditining but his size is what allows him to get inside and survive against bigger players.

At least for me it's not his weight that I have a problem with.  It's his effort and dedication.  How did he manage to gain weight after being drafted?  Did the Celtics ask him to get fatter?

So it is the weight then that bothers you?  Because you sound foolish questioning the effort and dedication of a guy who hustles his butt off 100% of the time he's on the court (notice how he dives for loose balls just as much if not more than anyone on the team and plays the passing lanes for steals!) and has dedicated himself to getting better (note his recently consistent jump shot).  Sounds like you're making up excuses to knock him on points that he doesn't deserve to be knocked, just because you don't like him. Really uncool.  

[Birdbrain]

no offense to anybody... but if you still are on him about his weight then your just dumb. He's worked on his strength and conditining but his size is what allows him to get inside and survive against bigger players.

At least for me it's not his weight that I have a problem with.  It's his effort and dedication.  How did he manage to gain weight after being drafted?  Did the Celtics ask him to get fatter?

So it is the weight then that bothers you?  Because you sound foolish questioning the effort and dedication of a guy who hustles his butt off 100% of the time he's on the court (notice how he dives for loose balls just as much if not more than anyone on the team and plays the passing lanes for steals!) and has dedicated himself to getting better (note his recently consistent jump shot).  Sounds like you're making up excuses to knock him on points that he doesn't deserve to be knocked, just because you don't like him. Really uncool.  

He's a Powe guy who like many on this site won't admit they were wrong.  Some have an eye for talent and some don't.

[EJPLAYA]

BBD has definitely stepped it up and is playing much better than he was earlier, however we do need to step back from all this "man-crush" and look at it from a realistic view.

We are talking about a 6'6" PF/Center who can't jump. Can't block shots. Can't rebound at an above average clip. Can't score around the basket effectively against bigger players. (3-4 possessions last night he should have scored but was blocked or took a bad shot)

He is shooting the ball right now at a solid rate, but nothing amazing.

Game 1 - 3-6 outside shots.
Game 2 - 5-13 outside shots.
Game 3- 1-5 outside shots.

Let's not make this guy out to be the greatest PF shooter in the history of the game.

He does however hustle and play solid defense and passes well. He is lovable. Do you really think that he is as "must have" as many are trying to portray? I'd like him back, however I sure wouldn't break the bank for him.

Not to be one of those people who picks one thing out of a post, but he can and does block some shots. Is he a shot blocking presence, no, but the block on Noah's jam was pretty impressive. He's pretty quick for a big fellow. Personally, I think his biggest problem is that he does get swollowed up under the basket. I don't know if there is much he can do about that, as he's not that tall.

Sorry to break the news to you, but he is 8th on our team in blocks and is actually behind Scal. You really want to try and say he is a shot blocker?!

Well, yes I want to say he's a shot blocker, but I guess I can't. Well there's 15 players on the team, so at 8 I can say he's aveage.

Once again a little flawed logic because you are comparing his stats to a bunch of guards as well. But if you want to use that logic, the guy is 76th in the league vs power forwards in the game. If you consider there are 3 people at that spot roughly on a team that qualify, that puts him in the middle of the third line overall. The guy is an atrocious shot blocker, not an average one. He has positives, so focus on those because this sure isn't one of them.

[EJPLAYA]

no offense to anybody... but if you still are on him about his weight then your just dumb. He's worked on his strength and conditining but his size is what allows him to get inside and survive against bigger players.

At least for me it's not his weight that I have a problem with.  It's his effort and dedication.  How did he manage to gain weight after being drafted?  Did the Celtics ask him to get fatter?

So it is the weight then that bothers you?  Because you sound foolish questioning the effort and dedication of a guy who hustles his butt off 100% of the time he's on the court (notice how he dives for loose balls just as much if not more than anyone on the team and plays the passing lanes for steals!) and has dedicated himself to getting better (note his recently consistent jump shot).  Sounds like you're making up excuses to knock him on points that he doesn't deserve to be knocked, just because you don't like him. Really uncool.  

He's a Powe guy who like many on this site won't admit they were wrong.  Some have an eye for talent and some don't.

Why can't someone think that Powe is a better player without feeling like the BBD groupies are attacking them? I think that BBD is starting to legitimately bring useful things to this team and I would like to resign him. I don't however feel he is as good of a player as Powe is. Powe is a legitimate PF with the skill set of a PF. BBD is a player whose weight allows him to body up against big guys, but offensively is at best a poor shooting Small Forward.

This doesn't have to be a Powe vs BBD thing, but if you refuse to admit the guy has some major flaws then the BBD lovers out there don't bring much sense to the table.

And bankshot, that stretch before Powe went down with the knee injury proved the opposite. Powe is an absolute beast both scoring and rebounding, and at that point in the season there weren't a lot of people chanting BBD should play instead. We don't have to "admit we were wrong" because it just isn't accurate. We were right. If Powe's knee hadn't gone out on him we wouldn't be having this discussion. Powe would be starting and lighting it up, and BBD would be getting mop up duty.

[Chief]

For everything that people think Big Baby lacks, the guy puts up some good #'s when he actually gets big minutes. Also, the guy is clutch. He plays big in big games and has made some huge shots in clutch moments.

[EJPLAYA]

For everything that people think Big Baby lacks, the guy puts up some good #'s when he actually gets big minutes. Also, the guy is clutch. He plays big in big games and has made some huge shots in clutch moments.

Examples? More than 1 or 2 please.

Since you are saying that people "think" he lacks these things, are you disagreeing that he is a bad shot blocker, a mediocre rebounder at best, a mediocre shooter, a poor scorer around the rim? It really isn't an argument because those are measurable things and they are facts.

[Chief]

The first clutch moment, I remember, was against Detroit last year. Only a regular season game but very meaningful. Seems like he has hit a few final minute clutch jumpers since taking KGs place this year. As far as this years playoffs, the guy is gold from the charity stripe at the end of games. Right now, I prefer him there over Paul Pierce.

And no, he is not a great shot blocker, but does make some nice ones in key moments. I personally think he is a good rebounder but not great.I think his shooting is pretty darn good for his first year taking jumpers and will only improve. And yes, he is below average around the rim but has gotten better lately of carving some space for himself.

[Birdbrain]

no offense to anybody... but if you still are on him about his weight then your just dumb. He's worked on his strength and conditining but his size is what allows him to get inside and survive against bigger players.

At least for me it's not his weight that I have a problem with.  It's his effort and dedication.  How did he manage to gain weight after being drafted?  Did the Celtics ask him to get fatter?

So it is the weight then that bothers you?  Because you sound foolish questioning the effort and dedication of a guy who hustles his butt off 100% of the time he's on the court (notice how he dives for loose balls just as much if not more than anyone on the team and plays the passing lanes for steals!) and has dedicated himself to getting better (note his recently consistent jump shot).  Sounds like you're making up excuses to knock him on points that he doesn't deserve to be knocked, just because you don't like him. Really uncool.  

He's a Powe guy who like many on this site won't admit they were wrong.  Some have an eye for talent and some don't.

Why can't someone think that Powe is a better player without feeling like the BBD groupies are attacking them? I think that BBD is starting to legitimately bring useful things to this team and I would like to resign him. I don't however feel he is as good of a player as Powe is. Powe is a legitimate PF with the skill set of a PF. BBD is a player whose weight allows him to body up against big guys, but offensively is at best a poor shooting Small Forward.

This doesn't have to be a Powe vs BBD thing, but if you refuse to admit the guy has some major flaws then the BBD lovers out there don't bring much sense to the table.

And bankshot, that stretch before Powe went down with the knee injury proved the opposite. Powe is an absolute beast both scoring and rebounding, and at that point in the season there weren't a lot of people chanting BBD should play instead. We don't have to "admit we were wrong" because it just isn't accurate. We were right. If Powe's knee hadn't gone out on him we wouldn't be having this discussion. Powe would be starting and lighting it up, and BBD would be getting mop up duty.

Because BBD is clearly better than Powe.  And yet you and others continue to say he's not.  Your starting point is so off it sort drowns out anything else you might bring up that has some validity.  He was last year as well.  These players aren't really close. 

FYI PO stats

20 pts 7 rbs 3 assists 2 stls 2 blks a game.