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Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2009, 04:18:08 PM »

Offline ScoobyDoo

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If KG can truly come back 100% healthy, I see no reason to do anything but add to thsi core. I see the first major move being when Ray's contract comes off, trying to land a good big free agent to replace him ( DWade would be the wet dream ) and then bring Ray back with the mid level, he plays years 35, 36 and 37 in the Michael Finley role. Takes physical pressure off his body and extends his career.

Then we deal with the next shoe to drop, Pierce contract...

But I could defiantely live with:

Perkins / Moore or equal
Garnett / Powe or Baby ( whichever stays )
Pierce / Walker
DWade / Ray Allen
Rondo / House / Pruitt or whoever

I'd go to battle against anyone with that lineup.

Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2009, 04:31:06 PM »

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Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2009, 03:12:47 PM »

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No rebuilding, sign Dwight Howard in 2011 and Danny Granger in 2012, problem solved.

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Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2009, 03:16:04 PM »

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The guy we traded for KG, you may remember him, hes also out for the year, and the twolves (celtics mcdonalds team) still suck

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Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2009, 03:55:15 PM »

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If KG can truly come back 100% healthy, I see no reason to do anything but add to thsi core. I see the first major move being when Ray's contract comes off, trying to land a good big free agent to replace him

Even though Ray's contract comes off the books in 2010, Cs wont have enough space left in the cap to sign a big name FA.  The best bet to land a big name FA would be this offseason, using Ray's $18M expiring contract in a trade with another team.
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Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2009, 04:51:34 PM »

Offline illestmcsgt

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Look at our starting line up and tell me it's not the best in the NBA right now? We have extremely two bright young stars and three of the best players for their position.

If anything we can work on the bench and get young players for the future by drafting or trading. Work on rebuilding after a couple years when Rondo and Perkins become leaders. Then we can put talent around them and go from there once PP, Ray, and KG all retire.

We still have two or three years left until we seriously should consider breaking up the team. I rather improve the bench next year with draft picks and minor trades. Ray Allen isn't going anywhere unless management feels we could get something better not worse.

Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2009, 10:03:19 PM »

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rebuild???? u got to be kidding me.  we are one season away from a title, when healthy we got out to the best start of the season in the nba, and we are 5 wins short of total wins from a year ago (which was considered a historic year).

if rebuilding consists of adding better players to our bench and finding role players that fit our system better, then im all for it.  but if rebuilding consists of anything other than that, count me out.  

we dont need to rebuild, we need to be healthy

Right, but in 2010-2011, we might be 3 years from a title, and with the prospects of re-signing old guys at significant cost just to hang around in the east.

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR OR THE NEXT. I AM TALKING ABOUT IN 2 YEAR'S TIME AT LEAST


What, exactly, would the point be of trading for Garnett and Ray if after one year we're going to immediately begin obsessing about life post-trades?

The answer is none. If you do the deals, you MUST commit to maximizing the window that Garnett, Pierce and Ray have to win titles. We've already failed, miserably, to do that in the disasterous off-season of 2008.

I'm not sure if it's this morbid fascination with mediocrity among some Celtics fans that produces these kinds of worries, along with the "sign Gerald Green" posts and the odd obsession with flawed players like Tony Allen and Gabe Pruitt.

But if you trade for two mid-life superstars and refuse to give them time and opportunity to win titles for you, then mediocrity is what you deserve.

I agree with Cordobes: Hopefully Danny's learned a lesson with the mistakes he made last summer. Hopefully Grousbeck will loosen up the budget enough to add a veteran wing, a veteran inside player and a solid PG backup. To do that, it's going to mean saying goodbye to some fan favorites, but it has to be done. Do a better job - which won't be hard, actually - augmenting the core of this team. Don't be insane and start a rebuilding process that rarely, if ever, yields any kind of results.

If not, than mediocrity is what we deserve.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2009, 10:13:07 PM by CoachBo »
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Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2009, 10:55:13 PM »

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this is disgusting, if this team was healthy we could have won 70 games. But we weren't and we only won 60... lets get over it. If anything we will be looking for medium range talent that has experience and championship drive.

Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2009, 10:44:06 AM »

Offline CoachBo

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I'm not sure if disgusting is the word for it.

But here we are, a year removed from a title. Days removed from a 62 win season, about to start the playoffs shorthanded.

And yet, we get a rebuilding thread and a call from a poster to play JR Giddens in another thread, a guy who has been unable to earn minutes on a severely shorthanded team.

I think the word I'll opt for is mind-boggling. I'm never going to understand the pleasure some felt in losing 60 games a year and waxing hyperbolic about young players.

Let's get serious this summer about adding to the core and subtracting some payroll to make that easier - and no, I'm not talking about trading Ray Allen; I'm talking about finding ways to offload some of the bench fodder we really don't need. Bye, Tony. Powe sign and trade? And Scal, thanks for everything. But you should retire before you get another concussion. I'm sure we can find a mike for you somewhere.

And Danny, please, please stay out of the dumpsters. Get the Danny of summer 2007 back, not the guy who was the only person on Earth who thought O'Bryant could play.

« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 11:41:52 AM by CoachBo »
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Re: Rebuilding?
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2009, 11:14:14 AM »

Offline Jon

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Anyone who thinks we should rebuild is delusional.  As people have already said, when a GM sets out to build a championship contender, he fails better than 90% of the time.  The C's tried to rebuild for the better part of two decades, and couldn't come up with anything better than a team losing in the ECF of a very weak Eastern Conference.  And while that might have been partially from mismanagement, think about Barkley's Suns, Kemp's Sonics, Malone and Stockton's Jazz, Webber's Kings, Ewing's Knicks, Reggie's Pacers, and today, Nash's Suns and Dirk's Mavs: all teams that were built well but never won a title. 

If we go into rebuilding mode, there's probably somewhere around a 50% chance it goes badly, a 30% chance it goes pretty well, a 18% chance we turn into one of the above teams, and less than a 2% chance we turn out to be as good as we are now.  And what's the point in that?  Especially when LeBron's Cavs and Kobe's Lakers look to get even better over the next few years.