Big Baby to eclipse Jeff Green?

[Mencius]

Wally does have his limitations -- he doesn't have the fastest feet in the league. But he's fairly strong for a swing player, he can shoot it, and can score a little bit inside on smaller guards. He was pretty effective for the Cavs off the bench -- it's his price tag that makes him a problem. I'd have him as my sixth man at half his salary every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Even at half his salary, he'd still be way overpaid, and make double what House makes.  Even if they made the same salary, I'd take House over Wally all day long.

[Redz]

I just love the confidence he's playing with.

He knows he's stronger than 99% of the guys out there, and he's figuring how to use it effectively.  The offensive rebound flurries are nothing but sheer will to get the ball. 

He and Perk have made a formidable mountain of meat - and they're tough to push around.

[BUTerrier]

And, even if a team gets what it wants (to be bad during a rebuilding mode), I still think it's fair to evaluate trades and grade GMs on the value of the pieces who were involved....In this case I'd give Danny the A and the Seattle/Thunder GM a "not taking class for credit".....

I think that's a bit of homerism coming into effect here. When we made that deal, Ray Allen had two bad ankles and NOBODY -- not even Jesus Shuttlesworth himself -- knew how he was going to come back from that. Now, Ainge took a huge risk, and it paid off in Allen recovering and in convincing KG to come. And, I mean, I'm psyched that it did. But let's not make Ainge into some guy fleecing the Sonics, especially since at the time the best player when looking at health AND talent was arguably West.

BBD better than Green? I love Davis, but he's not going to be better than Green over the course of his career. I thought Green was picked too high at first, but if you put their stats per 48 minutes, the only things BBD matches or eclipses Green on is steals per game and 3PT%. Plus, BBD is inconsistent; he could go for 15 and 10 one night, and foul out with out a single other stat the next.

Say what you will about the Sonics/Thunder, but Sam Presti came into a TERRIBLE situation there and has them maybe a piece or two away from making the playoffs in the West. He has, what? 5 first round picks in the next two years? And but for a failed physical, he'd have had a starting 5 of Westbrook-(Random SG)-Durant-Green-Chandler, in which the oldest player would have been Chandler at 26 years old. Even without that, and even if they don't get Griffin, they are still in position to nab Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, James Harden . . . the list goes on. PLUS, they're going to have great cap room in a year or two, so who's to say they won't steal away a veteran FA like Joe Johnson or Amare Stoudemire in 2010? So, I mean, suggesting that Presti isn't doing a good job is a bit silly.

[footey]

when you take into account that Jeff Green was the 5th pick, and BBD was thirty something, it is quite amazing that one can have a legitimate debate about who is the better player. Sure Jeff Green has more upside. But I seriously doubt that Jeff Green could have contributed more than BBD has the past two years to this team. I think BBD's basketball IQ is higher than Jeff Green's, although Green is more athletic. 

[footey]

All this talk about Jeff Green is a bit of a red herring, since both Ainge and Doc have been pretty clear they were leaning to take Jinlian.

[wiley]

And, even if a team gets what it wants (to be bad during a rebuilding mode), I still think it's fair to evaluate trades and grade GMs on the value of the pieces who were involved....In this case I'd give Danny the A and the Seattle/Thunder GM a "not taking class for credit".....

I think that's a bit of homerism coming into effect here. When we made that deal, Ray Allen had two bad ankles and NOBODY -- not even Jesus Shuttlesworth himself -- knew how he was going to come back from that. Now, Ainge took a huge risk, and it paid off in Allen recovering and in convincing KG to come. And, I mean, I'm psyched that it did. But let's not make Ainge into some guy fleecing the Sonics, especially since at the time the best player when looking at health AND talent was arguably West.

BBD better than Green? I love Davis, but he's not going to be better than Green over the course of his career. I thought Green was picked too high at first, but if you put their stats per 48 minutes, the only things BBD matches or eclipses Green on is steals per game and 3PT%. Plus, BBD is inconsistent; he could go for 15 and 10 one night, and foul out with out a single other stat the next.

Say what you will about the Sonics/Thunder, but Sam Presti came into a TERRIBLE situation there and has them maybe a piece or two away from making the playoffs in the West. He has, what? 5 first round picks in the next two years? And but for a failed physical, he'd have had a starting 5 of Westbrook-(Random SG)-Durant-Green-Chandler, in which the oldest player would have been Chandler at 26 years old. Even without that, and even if they don't get Griffin, they are still in position to nab Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, James Harden . . . the list goes on. PLUS, they're going to have great cap room in a year or two, so who's to say they won't steal away a veteran FA like Joe Johnson or Amare Stoudemire in 2010? So, I mean, suggesting that Presti isn't doing a good job is a bit silly.

No.  I think Presti is doing a fantastic job.  When I said Danny gets an A I meant that he got Ray Allen and then used the acquired second rounder on exactly the right person.  And when I say that Presti was "not taking the class for credit" I just meant that he was not making a trade for immediate improvement.   Presti deserves lots of credit, and right now it looks like he deserves credit for using that #5 pick on Jeff Green and not someone else....like Jianlian.  So, as I made more clear in a previous post, Presti is doing just what he wants and I'm sure he has no regrets about his acquisition of Jeff Green.

[CelticsWhat35]

Did someone actually say Delonte West was, at any time, better than Ray Allen?  I must be working too many hours, because I couldn't have read that correctly.   

[johnnyrondo]

Truth be told the C's could of drafted BBD without the Jeff Green trade. They chose Pruitt a couple picks earlier, which seemed a little odd at the time (I would of drafted Marc Gasol over Pruitt, Chalmers or Deandre Jordan over Giddens and bought back the pick we traded to the Suns that they traded for cash and taken Rudy Fernandez). But the point is we didn't need the Sonics pick to take BBD.

[LarBrd33]

I've been surprised by Baby's role playing lately.  He's turned into a semi-reliable role playing big man and that's more than I ever expected.   

But Jeff Green is light years beyond Baby.   

The good news is that I no longer thing Baby flat out sucks. 

[Rondo_is_better]

I've been surprised by Baby's role playing lately.  He's turned into a semi-reliable role playing big man and that's more than I ever expected.   

But Jeff Green is light years beyond Baby.   

The good news is that I no longer thing Baby flat out sucks. 

He's been exceedingly reliable. Not semi.

After seeing his game progress this whole season, how could not have expected him to at least be a role player in this league?

Jeff Green is not light years beyond Baby. That is a huge, huge exaggeration.

[LarBrd33]

I've been surprised by Baby's role playing lately.  He's turned into a semi-reliable role playing big man and that's more than I ever expected.   

But Jeff Green is light years beyond Baby.   

The good news is that I no longer thing Baby flat out sucks. 

He's been exceedingly reliable. Not semi.

After seeing his game progress this whole season, how could not have expected him to at least be a role player in this league?

Jeff Green is not light years beyond Baby. That is a huge, huge exaggeration.

Yes he is.

Baby has been hitting his wide open jumpers semi-consistently in the absence of KG and hasn't been a complete liability on defense.   He's been an alright role player.  He's been a lot better than when he was shooting 34% and looked like a total disaster.   Powe is still better and Powe is an inconsistent role player at the most.   

Jeff Green has allstar potential.

[Rondo_is_better]

I've been surprised by Baby's role playing lately.  He's turned into a semi-reliable role playing big man and that's more than I ever expected.   

But Jeff Green is light years beyond Baby.   

The good news is that I no longer thing Baby flat out sucks. 

He's been exceedingly reliable. Not semi.

After seeing his game progress this whole season, how could not have expected him to at least be a role player in this league?

Jeff Green is not light years beyond Baby. That is a huge, huge exaggeration.

Yes he is.

Baby has been hitting his wide open jumpers semi-consistently in the absence of KG and hasn't been a complete liability on defense.   He's been an alright role player.  He's been a lot better than when he was shooting 34% and looked like a total disaster.   Powe is still better and Powe is an inconsistent role player at the most.   

Jeff Green has allstar potential.

Potential is not results. Baby has been averaging 15/6 the past month or two. He's been very consistent and very good, the last time he had a poor game was that 1/9 disaster a couple months ago. He has had bad shooting nights since then, but he's made sobstantial contributions in other areas on those same nights.

Baby has surpassed Powe in the last few months, because he's become more consistent than Powe. That's why he was getting the call over Powe even when Leon was healthy. Leon had great week when he scored thirty and all that, but baby has been better over the last, say, three months of the season.

I haven't seen much of Jeff Green, but 17 and 6 on a bad team isn't much better than what Baby has been contributing (15/6) on one of the best teams in the NBA.

[LarBrd33]

I've been surprised by Baby's role playing lately.  He's turned into a semi-reliable role playing big man and that's more than I ever expected.   

But Jeff Green is light years beyond Baby.   

The good news is that I no longer thing Baby flat out sucks. 

He's been exceedingly reliable. Not semi.

After seeing his game progress this whole season, how could not have expected him to at least be a role player in this league?

Jeff Green is not light years beyond Baby. That is a huge, huge exaggeration.

Yes he is.

Baby has been hitting his wide open jumpers semi-consistently in the absence of KG and hasn't been a complete liability on defense.   He's been an alright role player.  He's been a lot better than when he was shooting 34% and looked like a total disaster.   Powe is still better and Powe is an inconsistent role player at the most.   

Jeff Green has allstar potential.

Potential is not results. Baby has been averaging 15/6 the past month or two. He's been very consistent and very good, the last time he had a poor game was that 1/9 disaster a couple months ago. He has had bad shooting nights since then, but he's made sobstantial contributions in other areas on those same nights.

Baby has surpassed Powe in the last few months, because he's become more consistent than Powe. That's why he was getting the call over Powe even when Leon was healthy. Leon had great week when he scored thirty and all that, but baby has been better over the last, say, three months of the season.

I haven't seen much of Jeff Green, but 17 and 6 on a bad team isn't much better than what Baby has been contributing (15/6) on one of the best teams in the NBA.

Where do you come up with those wonky numbers?  Big Baby averaged a spellbinding 5 points on 40% shooting pre allstar break.

He averaged 7 and 4 in Feb, 11 and 6 in March and in the 4 games he's had this month (where he's forced to play 35 minutes) he's averaged 13.5 and 5.5 in those games.   Big deal...

For the season Baby is averaging 6.6 points, 3.9 rebounds on 44% shooting in 21 minutes a game. 

Before Powe's injury he was averaging 14 and 8 in the month of March on 63% shooting (in a limited 25 minutes per game)

Powe's averages for the season are superior as well.  7.5 points, 4.9 rebounds 52% shooting in 17.4 minutes.

Meanwhile if you are just going to pick out a random chunk of games to prove how omgomgawesome Baby is... then what about the entire month of February when Jeff Green (who is younger than both Powe or Baby) averaged 20.5  points and 9.5 rebounds?   

This is silly.   Jeff Green is clearly light years better than Glen Davis.  Jeff Green has allstar potential.  Baby has filled in nicely alongside our remaining 4 starters by hitting his wide open jump shots, but as a player he is nowhere near the talent Jeff Green is.

[TomHamilton30]

LarBrd33,

I could not have put it better myself.  Yes, I am happy with what BBD has done recently, but he still is what he is.  Glad I'm not the only one who see's things as you do

[Edgar]

Did someone actually say Delonte West was, at any time, better than Ray Allen?  I must be working too many hours, because I couldn't have read that correctly.   

hes not but we love him....