Nocioni?

[GroverTheClover]

also, lets keep the Celtics stocked with american players.

What does national origin matter if they can play?

[lon3lytoaster]

also, lets keep the Celtics stocked with american players.

What does national origin matter if they can play?

That's what I was wondering. Europeans have a knock on them because, well a lot of them are soft. But, Noc isn't European, first of all and secondly he's probably as tough as they come.

[CoachBo]

A healthy Nocioni would have been a nice, albeit expensive, answer to the unaddressed skillset shortages created by this summer's pinching of pennies with Posey. However, he's not healthy so everything works out for the best.

As for this summer, I think the precedent has been established. Unless the playoff results dictate otherwise, I think Wyc's made it clear that he doesn't want to spend any money on the bench. So I'd be surprised - pleasantly - to see a post-surgery Nocioni on the Celtics next season.

[GroverTheClover]

also, lets keep the Celtics stocked with american players.

What does national origin matter if they can play?

That's what I was wondering. Europeans have a knock on them because, well a lot of them are soft. But, Noc isn't European, first of all and secondly he's probably as tough as they come.

I'm willing to challenge the assumption of "soft-Euro's". Maybe Peja or Pau are considered soft, but I'd argue that guys like Scola, Nocioni, Manu, and Marc Gasol aren't.

Besides, it's such a small sample size that it unfairly stereotypes all European players as "soft".
 

[nickagneta]

also, lets keep the Celtics stocked with american players.

What does national origin matter if they can play?

That's what I was wondering. Europeans have a knock on them because, well a lot of them are soft. But, Noc isn't European, first of all and secondly he's probably as tough as they come.

I'm willing to challenge the assumption of "soft-Euro's". Maybe Peja or Pau are considered soft, but I'd argue that guys like Scola, Nocioni, Manu, and Marc Gasol aren't.

Besides, it's such a small sample size that it unfairly stereotypes all European players as "soft".
 

All I know is that Dirk Nowitzki, Manu Ginobeli, Tony Parker, Yao Ming, Pau Gasol and Tim Duncan(born in the Bahamas) could play on my team anytime they wanted.

[perks-a-beast]

I think i rather have Linas Kleiza

[ederson]

Although i like him very much 7m for Nocioni is too much and i can`t see DA paying that much for him.

I'm willing to challenge the assumption of "soft-Euro's". Maybe Peja or Pau are considered soft, but I'd argue that guys like Scola, Nocioni, Manu, and Marc Gasol aren't.

Besides, it's such a small sample size that it unfairly stereotypes all European players as "soft".
 

Well Scola Nocioni and Manu aren`t European either
To be absolute and say "all" is not a good practice but in this case is pretty close to reality 9by nba toughness standards). Most european teams sign Americans for the PF-C positions and let them do the bruising while europeans are more of jumpshoters that play around the paint   

[hpantazo]

also, lets keep the Celtics stocked with american players.

are you saying if Dirk, Yao or Nash were available you wouldn't want them? Plus, if the celtics had Yao they would sell a whole lot more celtics merchandise.

[Galiza Ceive]

also, lets keep the Celtics stocked with american players.

Last time I checked Argentina was in America. You can find it yourself, just going as South as possible.

[GroverTheClover]

Although i like him very much 7m for Nocioni is too much and i can`t see DA paying that much for him.

I'm willing to challenge the assumption of "soft-Euro's". Maybe Peja or Pau are considered soft, but I'd argue that guys like Scola, Nocioni, Manu, and Marc Gasol aren't.

Besides, it's such a small sample size that it unfairly stereotypes all European players as "soft".
 

Well Scola Nocioni and Manu aren`t European either
To be absolute and say "all" is not a good practice but in this case is pretty close to reality 9by nba toughness standards). Most european teams sign Americans for the PF-C positions and let them do the bruising while europeans are more of jumpshoters that play around the paint   

Touche.

Although, in my defense, Manu is of Italian descent and he along with Nocioni and Scola have dual citizenship with European countries. (Yeah, I know I'm reaching.)

[BillfromBoston]

I've gotta believe tat the Celtics will keep only one of the two young PFs, Baby and Powe. So why not do a sign and trade with one of them, whichever Sacramento likes most and is willing to pay the most, and package Bazby/Powe and Allen and someone or something else(cash, Sactown really likes cash) for Nocioni. It then still leaves the MLE for addressing the hole at the backup center position with Nesterovic, Pachulia, or Wallace, if any will come here for that amount.

So let's assume Sacramento makes the trade for either Powe or Baby and Tony and Giddens plus cash for Nocioni while giving either Powe or Baby a 4-year/$16 million contract. That leaves the MLE going to let's say Pachulia. Here's the roster next year:

PG Rondo/Pruitt
SG Allen/House
SF Pierce/Nocioni/Walker
PF KG/Powe or Baby/Scal
C Perk/Pachulia

That leaves 3 spots open for a backup PG, SG and C. Maybe the bring Erden over for the third center spot and some time with the big club and NBADL. I good combo guard to fill a position would be ideal and leave a spot open for the inevitable FA sign on after he has been bought out addition.

The C's did discuss a trade and both sides said they were the ones backing out, so i'd imagine it was somewhat mutual based off certain sticking points - Baby and Powe were both principles of the proposal from Boston's side..either or proposition during preliminary talks, which makes sense since Noc can play PF a bit too.

But the deal Noc has isn't a value signing - he cannot perform up to his salary level with the role he'd have on this team, so i'm sure that went into their decision not to continue pursuit.

There are better ways to spend that money and that role on the roster - Bill Walker would have no job for the next 3 years if Noc came to town and Walker may very well be ready for his 15 mpg of fame next season.

[CoachBo]

While Walker is one of those Ainge draft picks that I actually like, I have a difficult time seeing a player - who clearly would have benefitted from another year of college - of his ilk making any kind of significant impact off the Celtic bench next year.

He needs time to mature - a fact his college coach has stated.

Walker is worth keeping. However, any move to count on him off the bench next year will land us in the same predicament Ainge's miscalculations did last summer.

In the meantime, it will be imperative for Ainge to land a cheaper version of Nocioni next summer, especially in light of the continued character problems Tony Allen continues to display. That is, unless Grousbeck lets loose of the checkbook, again something he failed to do last summer.

[2short]

Get Nocioni some dread extensions and a goatee and stick him in Mikki Moore's uniform come  playoff time.  It's not like the Kings will need him at that point, and he'll already be in game shape.  Kings keep their man, but he gets to play for a contender.

   
Priceless!

[Galiza Ceive]

If we "only" give up Scal, Tony Allen and either Pruitt or Giddens I would like the Celtics to trade for Nocioni. Considering his contract, I dont think Sacramento will get much better than expiring contracts. He would be an excellent back up for Ray and Pierce and his salary decreases a bit each year.

[CoachBo]

He's a little costly for that role - since we passed on Posey at a lower price last summer - but he's a pretty good fit skillset-wise for the backup three role.

The question is, will Grousbeck pay the freight?

Big question.