A Silver Lining

[2short]

He's had two games where he was almost as good as Pruitt.  The rest of the time Marbury has looked worse than a D-leaguer.

He's rusty, all right-- rusted all the way through.  Stick a fork in him.  He's done, and so are the Celtics if they keep playing him.

I do think that there should come a time (think sam) when marbury should sit and give the pt back to pruitt.  If marbury isn't hitting his shots then he's useless cuz his defense is sub eddie which is sub pruitt which is sub ray and rondo.
I know doc loves the vets but he gave eddies minues to sam last year unjustified and i think the marbury experiment needs a time limit.

[Brickowski]

Well I started a thread awhile back on the Marbury "experiment" entitled "pick a date." As far as I'm concerned, the date for abandoning Marbury has already come and gone.

I don't enjoy watching him play.  He's clueless on defense, he overdribbles, and he can't shoot. He has a decent first step but he's too short to score consistently in the paint.  And he does not want to play at a fast pace.  He wants to play slow, bringing it up methodically, pounding the ball, and running his man off picks.

[Chris]

Well I started a thread awhile back on the Marbury "experiment" entitled "pick a date." As far as I'm concerned, the date for abandoning Marbury has already come and gone.

I don't enjoy watching him play.  He's clueless on defense, he overdribbles, and he can't shoot. He has a decent first step but he's too short to score consistently in the paint.  And he does not want to play at a fast pace.  He wants to play slow, bringing it up methodically, pounding the ball, and running his man off picks.

He overdribbles?  This year?  I think he has been playing too much "hot-potato" in the games he has not played well.  His best moments with the C's have been when he has been using the dribble to make something happen.

[LarBrd33]

Do we have a losing record since Marbury joined the team?... cuz that would certainly fit his history of perpetual losing.  Dump him for the playoffs and we'll go on a run.

[Chris]

Do we have a losing record since Marbury joined the team?... cuz that would certainly fit his history of perpetual losing.  Dump him for the playoffs and we'll go on a run.

Actually, its the opposite of his past history.  Normally teams go on winning streaks when he first joins them, but then fall off a while later.

[Brickowski]

Well I started a thread awhile back on the Marbury "experiment" entitled "pick a date." As far as I'm concerned, the date for abandoning Marbury has already come and gone.

I don't enjoy watching him play.  He's clueless on defense, he overdribbles, and he can't shoot. He has a decent first step but he's too short to score consistently in the paint.  And he does not want to play at a fast pace.  He wants to play slow, bringing it up methodically, pounding the ball, and running his man off picks.

He overdribbles?  This year?  I think he has been playing too much "hot-potato" in the games he has not played well.  His best moments with the C's have been when he has been using the dribble to make something happen.

What he creates is uusually a shot for himself, which he misses.

He's very good at generating empty trips, however, which definitely makes something happen for the other team.

[Chris]

Well I started a thread awhile back on the Marbury "experiment" entitled "pick a date." As far as I'm concerned, the date for abandoning Marbury has already come and gone.

I don't enjoy watching him play.  He's clueless on defense, he overdribbles, and he can't shoot. He has a decent first step but he's too short to score consistently in the paint.  And he does not want to play at a fast pace.  He wants to play slow, bringing it up methodically, pounding the ball, and running his man off picks.

He overdribbles?  This year?  I think he has been playing too much "hot-potato" in the games he has not played well.  His best moments with the C's have been when he has been using the dribble to make something happen.

What he creates is uusually a shot for himself, which he misses.

He's very good at generating empty trips, however, which definitely makes something happen for the other team.

We have clearly been watching different games then.  While he has created shots for himself, he also has created a lot of shots for others. 

I give up though.  Clearly you have your predjudices (we all have them, nothing wrong with that), and cannot see past them.  We will just have to agree to disagree here.

[Reggie's Ghost]

We have clearly been watching different games then.  While he has created shots for himself, he also has created a lot of shots for others. 

I give up though.  Clearly you have your predjudices (we all have them, nothing wrong with that), and cannot see past them.  We will just have to agree to disagree here.

So you feel that Marbury is on the right track to contribute to this team?  I think his shot may begin to fall, which is great and all, but I have no clue how he's supposed to come in off the bench next to Eddie and play defense...

[Brickowski]

Well I started a thread awhile back on the Marbury "experiment" entitled "pick a date." As far as I'm concerned, the date for abandoning Marbury has already come and gone.

I don't enjoy watching him play.  He's clueless on defense, he overdribbles, and he can't shoot. He has a decent first step but he's too short to score consistently in the paint.  And he does not want to play at a fast pace.  He wants to play slow, bringing it up methodically, pounding the ball, and running his man off picks.

He overdribbles?  This year?  I think he has been playing too much "hot-potato" in the games he has not played well.  His best moments with the C's have been when he has been using the dribble to make something happen.

What he creates is uusually a shot for himself, which he misses.

He's very good at generating empty trips, however, which definitely makes something happen for the other team.

We have clearly been watching different games then.  While he has created shots for himself, he also has created a lot of shots for others. 

I give up though.  Clearly you have your predjudices (we all have them, nothing wrong with that), and cannot see past them.  We will just have to agree to disagree here.

Prejudices are irrational.  Watching the games and forming an opinion based on a player's current performance (or lack thereof) is rational.

It doesn't matter that he may have been a competent player 3-4 years ago.  Today, he sucks, not just a little but alot.  He's been here a month and hasn't improved at all.

[Chris]

We have clearly been watching different games then.  While he has created shots for himself, he also has created a lot of shots for others. 

I give up though.  Clearly you have your predjudices (we all have them, nothing wrong with that), and cannot see past them.  We will just have to agree to disagree here.

So you feel that Marbury is on the right track to contribute to this team?  I think his shot may begin to fall, which is great and all, but I have no clue how he's supposed to come in off the bench next to Eddie and play defense...

The same way Eddie, Ray, and others have been able to be successful defensively, Marbury will be able to.  The C's defense is based on big men providing two extra levels of defense after the first line on the perimeter.  Unfortunately, the majority of the games since Marbury has been with the C's, the big men behind him have been Mikki Moore (one of the worst help defenders I have EVER seen), Leon Powe (Moore makes him look like Bill Russell, but he is still their 5 best big man help defenders behind Perk, Garnett, Davis, and Scal), and Bill Walker (who barely knows the rotations as a wing, its asking a lot for him to be able to do it as a big man).  Perk has played a bit with him too...but not much.

When you have him playing there in the playoffs, with most of the minutes going to Perk, Garnett, Davis, and Powe, his defensive issues (which are greatly exagerated on here, BTW) will be hidden.  He also won't be playing with House as much in the playoffs, unless there are good matchups.  You will see much more mixing and matching with Allen and Pierce, as well as potentially Tony Allen and Scal.

The fact is, Marbury is a major upgrade offensively off the bench, and is no worse than House defensively...but right now, he is being exposed because the C's team defense has completely disappeared.

[Brickowski]

Oh please.  Marbury is being exposed because he can't defend and he can't throw the ball into the ocean.  He's an offensive upgrade?  Did I just read that statement?

[Chris]

It doesn't matter that he may have been a competent player 3-4 years ago.  Today, he sucks, not just a little but alot.  He's been here a month and hasn't improved at all.

Where we can't agree is that I think this statement is completely irrational.  He has improved tremendously over the last month. 

Yes, last night he sucked.  But in his two games prior to that he ran the offense as well as anyone other than Rondo has this season or last.  He moved the ball well, did not force any shots, and created shots for several teammates.  Considering up until Friday's game he looked completely lost, I would say that is improvement.

[greg_kite]

Marbury has pretty much sucked since he's been here.  I think Gabe's ability to guard bigger two guards is missed right now.  And Marbury hasn't been much better, if better at all, offensively than Gabe.  He hasn't been able to hit open shots.  Gabe is shooting a low percentage, but from watching the games it seems like he has a pretty reliable jump shot.  This team already has a bunch of stars.  I think a role player like Gabe is more valuable to this team than Marbury (right now).

I hope Doc doesn't force him on the team like he did with Cassell last year.  At least this year he's keeping Eddie higher in the rotation than Marbury.  That's a good sign.

[2short]

Marbury has pretty much sucked since he's been here.  I think Gabe's ability to guard bigger two guards is missed right now.  And Marbury hasn't been much better, if better at all, offensively than Gabe.  He hasn't been able to hit open shots.  Gabe is shooting a low percentage, but from watching the games it seems like he has a pretty reliable jump shot.  This team already has a bunch of stars.  I think a role player like Gabe is more valuable to this team than Marbury (right now).

I hope Doc doesn't force him on the team like he did with Cassell last year.  At least this year he's keeping Eddie higher in the rotation than Marbury.  That's a good sign.

greg kite hit it right on the head, gabes size is needed and marbury expirement isn't working, steph needs to be beating opposing guard off the dribble and passing off or layups (his strength) he should also be hitting open shots
i'm for gabe at this point, because of this his confidence is low and he needs time and confidence back
how much was isiah paying marbury?