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Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2009, 07:50:24 AM »

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When I see blanket baloney on this board - one of my favorites is "Posey's defense wasn't very good last year" - when the truth is closer to what Billy posted, I'm going to call a poster on it.

The real comment is "Posey wasn't as good as you people make him out to be against LEBRON and BRYANT" which are the two players many of you are afraid of.

First of all, that is false. There are plenty of comments which refer to Posey's overall defence and overall game. Lots of comments saying Tony Allen is a better player and a better fit, even that Glen Davis is a better player, etc.

Secondly, let's start with Bryant. When exactly has Posey defended Bryant? I've asked this before and all I got were a few plays, most of them resulting from switches and when Posey was recovering from helping. I remember a couple of minutes here and there in LA, but that's all. The only single time that I remember Posey guarding Kobe for extensive minutes, having the chance to get on a defensive rythmn with him, was in game 6. And frankly, I found absolutely ridiculous the suggestion he wasn't very good. He frustrated him so much that Kobe has one of the worst quarters of his entire career, scoring only 1 point. What exactly was POsey supposed to do, defend the technical free-throw? So, I'm not going to say something like ""Posey wasn't as bad as you people make him out to be against BRYANT", a line of argument I find dishonest, but I have no problems in being blunt and saying that whoever says that Posey's defence on Kobe wasn't good during the Finals is just making up stuff.

Third, what does "Posey wasn't as good as you people make him out to be" mean? Who are "you people" and they make Posey to be exactly what? Why can't the concrete arguments be discussed? I personally think that Posey's defence last season was very good, like it has been his all career. He was never a individual stopper on the perimeter (he's not some sieve either), but he's extraordinary defensively on other aspects.


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Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2009, 07:53:14 AM »

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No one is going to take LBJ single handedly.

What does this mean? Are we going to play a zone? Merely that we're going to use help schemes? Are we going to defend LBJ any differently that we did so far?

Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2009, 07:59:23 AM »

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I've already agreed with all of the people who feel that we have no shot at being a contender without Posey and PJ, temporarily installed New Orleans as clear title favorites for signing him (unfortunately they've been eclipsed by Cleveland, who just signed the all-star Joe Smith) and recommended that Danny offer Posey a max contract after his current deal expires. What more do you want?

Personally, I'd like you to point out who or when was said that:
-  we have no shot at being a contender without Posey and PJ
- New Orleans are clear title favorites
- Joe Smith is an All-Star
- recommended that Danny offer Posey a max contract after his current deal expires.

Can you provide some quotes and links, please? I need to know who to take seriously here.

Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2009, 08:38:48 AM »

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I've already agreed with all of the people who feel that we have no shot at being a contender without Posey and PJ, temporarily installed New Orleans as clear title favorites for signing him (unfortunately they've been eclipsed by Cleveland, who just signed the all-star Joe Smith) and recommended that Danny offer Posey a max contract after his current deal expires. What more do you want?

Personally, I'd like you to point out who or when was said that:
-  we have no shot at being a contender without Posey and PJ
- New Orleans are clear title favorites
- Joe Smith is an All-Star
- recommended that Danny offer Posey a max contract after his current deal expires.

Can you provide some quotes and links, please? I need to know who to take seriously here.

  The post of mine that you quoted was facetious (or sarcastic) but that's often the case. Does that make sense to you? I would never make any of those comments seriously, but nonetheless I'm sure I've said all of them with the possible exception of Joe Smith being an all-star, but I might have said that also. I'm not really excited about the prospect of searching through all of my posts. Is it really important to you?

Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2009, 08:44:14 AM »

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I've already agreed with all of the people who feel that we have no shot at being a contender without Posey and PJ, temporarily installed New Orleans as clear title favorites for signing him (unfortunately they've been eclipsed by Cleveland, who just signed the all-star Joe Smith) and recommended that Danny offer Posey a max contract after his current deal expires. What more do you want?

Personally, I'd like you to point out who or when was said that:
-  we have no shot at being a contender without Posey and PJ
- New Orleans are clear title favorites
- Joe Smith is an All-Star
- recommended that Danny offer Posey a max contract after his current deal expires.

Can you provide some quotes and links, please? I need to know who to take seriously here.

  The post of mine that you quoted was facetious (or sarcastic) but that's often the case. Does that make sense to you? I would never make any of those comments seriously, but nonetheless I'm sure I've said all of them with the possible exception of Joe Smith being an all-star, but I might have said that also. I'm not really excited about the prospect of searching through all of my posts. Is it really important to you?

Really? Does that mean that nobody actually said that Joe Smith is an All-Star or that Posey will deliver the title to NO or that he should get a max contract? Because an absurd percentage of your posts are about arguing with the posters who allegedly wrote that stuff. Except that you're now saying nobody did, which means you spend most of your time arguing with..er... oh well, to each his own I guess, it's none of my business...

p.s. - and you just called Joe Smith an All-Star in your previous post... I'll quote it for you: "Cleveland, who just signed the all-star Joe Smith". 

Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2009, 08:46:37 AM »

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posted this in my own thread before i found this thread...

what are we gonna do? how are we gonna defend labron for 7 games?

paul pierce is our only solid defender at the 3. if he has to take on  lbj singlehandedly, he will be toast for the next series.

little faith in tony. especially coming of an injury, when his frenetic style is down right frantic.

bill walker may be able to help but he will not be any use if he doesn't get minutes now.

can mikki guard JBJ ::)?
Sadly Ray is going to end up guarding LBJ some tomorrow. Also I wonder how we'll deal with the line up of LBJ at the 4 with Wally at the 3.

Pierce at the 4 and Walker at the 3? :-X
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Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2009, 08:48:30 AM »

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I've already agreed with all of the people who feel that we have no shot at being a contender without Posey and PJ, temporarily installed New Orleans as clear title favorites for signing him (unfortunately they've been eclipsed by Cleveland, who just signed the all-star Joe Smith) and recommended that Danny offer Posey a max contract after his current deal expires. What more do you want?

Personally, I'd like you to point out who or when was said that:
-  we have no shot at being a contender without Posey and PJ
- New Orleans are clear title favorites
- Joe Smith is an All-Star
- recommended that Danny offer Posey a max contract after his current deal expires.

Can you provide some quotes and links, please? I need to know who to take seriously here.

  The post of mine that you quoted was facetious (or sarcastic) but that's often the case. Does that make sense to you? I would never make any of those comments seriously, but nonetheless I'm sure I've said all of them with the possible exception of Joe Smith being an all-star, but I might have said that also. I'm not really excited about the prospect of searching through all of my posts. Is it really important to you?

Really? Does that mean that nobody actually said that Joe Smith is an All-Star or that Posey will deliver the title to NO or that he should get a max contract? Because an absurd percentage of your posts are about arguing with the posters who allegedly wrote that stuff. Except that you're now saying nobody did, which means you spend most of your time arguing with..er... oh well, to each his own I guess, it's none of my business...

p.s. - and you just called Joe Smith an All-Star in your previous post... I'll quote it for you: "Cleveland, who just signed the all-star Joe Smith". 

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Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2009, 08:56:08 AM »

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When I see blanket baloney on this board - one of my favorites is "Posey's defense wasn't very good last year" - when the truth is closer to what Billy posted, I'm going to call a poster on it.

The real comment is "Posey wasn't as good as you people make him out to be against LEBRON and BRYANT" which are the two players many of you are afraid of.

First of all, that is false. There are plenty of comments which refer to Posey's overall defence and overall game. Lots of comments saying Tony Allen is a better player and a better fit, that Big Davis is a better fit, etc.

Secondly, let's start with Bryant. When exactly has Posey defended Bryant? I've asked this before and all I got were a few plays, most of them resulting from switches and when Posey was recovering from helping. I remember a couple of minutes here and there in LA, but that's all. The only single time that I remember Posey guarding Kobe for extensive minutes, having the chance to get on a defensive rythmn with him, was in game 6. And frankly, I found absolutely ridiculous the suggestion he wasn't very good. He frustrated him so much that Kobe has one of the worst quarters of his entire career, scoring only 1 point. What exactly was POsey supposed to do, defend the technical free-throw? So, I'm not going to say something like ""Posey wasn't as bad as you people make him out to be against BRYANT", a line of argument I find dishonest, but I have no problems in being blunt and saying that whoever says that Posey's defence on Kobe wasn't good during the Finals is just making up stuff.

Third, what does "Posey wasn't as good as you people make him out to be" mean? Who are "you people" and they make Posey to be exactly what? Why can't the concrete arguments be discussed? I personally think that Posey's defence last season was very good, like it has been his all career. He was never a individual stopper on the perimeter (he's not some sieve either), but he's extraordinary defensively on other aspects.

This has been discussed this season ad nauseam. We're not going to get into the details of the matter every time. Various people have made the same observations, and it's not only about Kobe scoring, it's also about he being allowed to get into the lane and finding people when our defense starts helping him when they otherwise wouldn't. It's not about a player scoring, sometimes you have to notice the types of looks a player is getting and how they're getting them... players do miss shots they should make you know.

Many have made Posey to be this Kobe and LeBron stopper that he isn't (if you don't feel that way, then clearly this is not addressed to you so don't worry about it, but some do). It was first and foremost our team defense. And when Kobe was concerned, Pierce and Tony are better defenders on him, and Ray can be argued on it too (though at times he found himself overmatched). Kobe is too crafty and quick for Posey, Kobe was going wherever he wanted with him. Seriously, why are people so offended by the notion that Posey had trouble covering Kobe and LeBron? Posey did many good things out there, and sure in some stretches he did an adequate job on them, but overall he isn't the stopper many here want to believe he is when these two are regarded.

And no, people who believe Posey wasn't good on Kobe are not making stuff up. I'm not going to do your homework for you, but there were various times that Posey couldn't keep up with him, ate a jab step fake, or gave him enough space for him to either drive past him (forcing our defenders to rotate and leave someone like Paul open) or shoot an uncontested jumper. If you don't believe it to be so, then that's your option... but many have made the same observation that I have so I don't think I'm on the wrong, and I don't doubt that many get different perspectives on things, so you can believe what you want. That he was good on a game or a quarter doesn't absolve the various times he couldn't defend him well, especially in LA. It's like a boxing match, you can have some good rounds against the guy, but overall you're still getting beat. Posey was great against Odom, Walton, Radmanovic... but is it so hard to fathom that Posey simply wasn't good against Kobe (though sure had some good moments against him)... one of the most dominant players in the last decade or so?

Listen I like Posey and would love to have him back, I just don't feel he would've had that big of an impact defensively against this two players. I didn't feel his contributions on this regard to be as great as some believe it to be last season. I liked his contributions with us more elsewhere, just not in these two particular cases. And we haven't even brought up Rip Hamilton (but I think we can all agree Posey was horrible against him).
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Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2009, 09:16:24 AM »

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When I see blanket baloney on this board - one of my favorites is "Posey's defense wasn't very good last year" - when the truth is closer to what Billy posted, I'm going to call a poster on it.

The real comment is "Posey wasn't as good as you people make him out to be against LEBRON and BRYANT" which are the two players many of you are afraid of.

First of all, that is false. There are plenty of comments which refer to Posey's overall defence and overall game. Lots of comments saying Tony Allen is a better player and a better fit, that Big Davis is a better fit, etc.

Secondly, let's start with Bryant. When exactly has Posey defended Bryant? I've asked this before and all I got were a few plays, most of them resulting from switches and when Posey was recovering from helping. I remember a couple of minutes here and there in LA, but that's all. The only single time that I remember Posey guarding Kobe for extensive minutes, having the chance to get on a defensive rythmn with him, was in game 6. And frankly, I found absolutely ridiculous the suggestion he wasn't very good. He frustrated him so much that Kobe has one of the worst quarters of his entire career, scoring only 1 point. What exactly was POsey supposed to do, defend the technical free-throw? So, I'm not going to say something like ""Posey wasn't as bad as you people make him out to be against BRYANT", a line of argument I find dishonest, but I have no problems in being blunt and saying that whoever says that Posey's defence on Kobe wasn't good during the Finals is just making up stuff.

Third, what does "Posey wasn't as good as you people make him out to be" mean? Who are "you people" and they make Posey to be exactly what? Why can't the concrete arguments be discussed? I personally think that Posey's defence last season was very good, like it has been his all career. He was never a individual stopper on the perimeter (he's not some sieve either), but he's extraordinary defensively on other aspects.

This has been discussed this season ad nauseam. We're not going to get into the details of the matter every time. Various people have made the same observations, and it's not only about Kobe scoring, it's also about he being allowed to get into the lane and finding people when our defense starts helping him when they otherwise wouldn't. It's not about a player scoring, sometimes you have to notice the types of looks a player is getting and how they're getting them... players do miss shots they should make you know.

Many have made Posey to be this Kobe and LeBron stopper that he isn't (if you don't feel that way, then clearly this is not addressed to you so don't worry about it, but some do). It was first and foremost our team defense. And when Kobe was concerned, Pierce and Tony are better defenders on him, and Ray can be argued on it too (though at times he found himself overmatched). Kobe is too crafty and quick for Posey, Kobe was going wherever he wanted with him. Seriously, why are people so offended by the notion that Posey had trouble covering Kobe and LeBron? Posey did many good things out there, and sure in some stretches he did an adequate job on them, but overall he isn't the stopper many here want to believe he is when these two are regarded.

And no, people who believe Posey wasn't good on Kobe are not making stuff up. I'm not going to do your homework for you, but there were various times that Posey couldn't keep up with him, ate a jab step fake, or gave him enough space for him to either drive past him (forcing our defenders to rotate and leave someone like Paul open) or shoot an uncontested jumper. If you don't believe it to be so, then that's your option... but many have made the same observation that I have so I don't think I'm on the wrong, and I don't doubt that many get different perspectives on things, so you can believe what you want. That he was good on a game or a quarter doesn't absolve the various times he couldn't defend him well, especially in LA. It's like a boxing match, you can have some good rounds against the guy, but overall you're still getting beat. Posey was great against Odom, Walton, Radmanovic... but is it so hard to fathom that Posey simply wasn't good against Kobe (though sure had some good moments against him)... one of the most dominant players in the last decade or so?

Three paragraphs and you weren't able to answer the most simple question - and the only one I made: when was Posey guarding Kobe? Which game, which finals? It's simple, it's objective. You keep saying he wasn't good against Kobe and that many people say the same, like any educated people would buy the argument that if many people say something is because that something is true. That's a fallacy, as you certainly agree, so let's stop using that argument, okay? Thanks for understanding.

Come on, just answer that. I'm basically saying you're making up stuff - and you can disprove me simply by saying "Posey guarded Kobe for extensive minutes and possessions during Games X,Y, quarters Z and W". What's so difficult about that?

Let's be objective here: Posey guarded Kobe in Game 6, 2nd quarter. Kobe didn't score, except from technical free-throw. Was Posey good or not? Or are you talking about other games were Posey's bad defence on Kobe upset the good defence he played in that game? If so, once again, just be objective: which games, between which minutes?

ps - You can go on forever and forever saying "Posey wasn't a good as many believe he was bla bla bla". I don't care. Time to stop that nonsense. Again: which games are you talking about? When was Posey guarding Kobe?

Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2009, 09:19:47 AM »

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When I see blanket baloney on this board - one of my favorites is "Posey's defense wasn't very good last year" - when the truth is closer to what Billy posted, I'm going to call a poster on it.

The real comment is "Posey wasn't as good as you people make him out to be against LEBRON and BRYANT" which are the two players many of you are afraid of.

First of all, that is false. There are plenty of comments which refer to Posey's overall defence and overall game. Lots of comments saying Tony Allen is a better player and a better fit, that Big Davis is a better fit, etc.

Secondly, let's start with Bryant. When exactly has Posey defended Bryant? I've asked this before and all I got were a few plays, most of them resulting from switches and when Posey was recovering from helping. I remember a couple of minutes here and there in LA, but that's all. The only single time that I remember Posey guarding Kobe for extensive minutes, having the chance to get on a defensive rythmn with him, was in game 6. And frankly, I found absolutely ridiculous the suggestion he wasn't very good. He frustrated him so much that Kobe has one of the worst quarters of his entire career, scoring only 1 point. What exactly was POsey supposed to do, defend the technical free-throw? So, I'm not going to say something like ""Posey wasn't as bad as you people make him out to be against BRYANT", a line of argument I find dishonest, but I have no problems in being blunt and saying that whoever says that Posey's defence on Kobe wasn't good during the Finals is just making up stuff.

Third, what does "Posey wasn't as good as you people make him out to be" mean? Who are "you people" and they make Posey to be exactly what? Why can't the concrete arguments be discussed? I personally think that Posey's defence last season was very good, like it has been his all career. He was never a individual stopper on the perimeter (he's not some sieve either), but he's extraordinary defensively on other aspects.

This has been discussed this season ad nauseam. We're not going to get into the details of the matter every time. Various people have made the same observations, and it's not only about Kobe scoring, it's also about he being allowed to get into the lane and finding people when our defense starts helping him when they otherwise wouldn't. It's not about a player scoring, sometimes you have to notice the types of looks a player is getting and how they're getting them... players do miss shots they should make you know.

Many have made Posey to be this Kobe and LeBron stopper that he isn't (if you don't feel that way, then clearly this is not addressed to you so don't worry about it, but some do). It was first and foremost our team defense. And when Kobe was concerned, Pierce and Tony are better defenders on him, and Ray can be argued on it too (though at times he found himself overmatched). Kobe is too crafty and quick for Posey, Kobe was going wherever he wanted with him. Seriously, why are people so offended by the notion that Posey had trouble covering Kobe and LeBron? Posey did many good things out there, and sure in some stretches he did an adequate job on them, but overall he isn't the stopper many here want to believe he is when these two are regarded.

And no, people who believe Posey wasn't good on Kobe are not making stuff up. I'm not going to do your homework for you, but there were various times that Posey couldn't keep up with him, ate a jab step fake, or gave him enough space for him to either drive past him (forcing our defenders to rotate and leave someone like Paul open) or shoot an uncontested jumper. If you don't believe it to be so, then that's your option... but many have made the same observation that I have so I don't think I'm on the wrong, and I don't doubt that many get different perspectives on things, so you can believe what you want. That he was good on a game or a quarter doesn't absolve the various times he couldn't defend him well, especially in LA. It's like a boxing match, you can have some good rounds against the guy, but overall you're still getting beat. Posey was great against Odom, Walton, Radmanovic... but is it so hard to fathom that Posey simply wasn't good against Kobe (though sure had some good moments against him)... one of the most dominant players in the last decade or so?

Three paragraphs and you weren't able to answer the most simple question: when was Posey guarding Kobe? Which game, which finals? It's simple, it's objective. You keep saying he wasn't good against Kobe and that many people say the same, like any educated people would buy the argument that if many people say something is because that something is true. That's a fallacy, as you certainly agree, so let's stop using that argument, okay? Thanks for understanding.

Come on, just answer that. I'm basically saying you're making up stuff - and you can disprove me simply by saying "Posey guarded Kobe for extensive minutes and possessions during Games X,Y, quarters Z and W". What's so difficult about that?

Let's be objective here: Posey guarded Kobe in Game 6, 2nd quarter. Kobe didn't score, except from technical free-throw. Was Posey good or not? Or are you talking about other games were Posey's bad defence on Kobe upset the good defence he played in that game? If so, once again, just be objective: which games, between which minutes?

What's so difficult about that is that I'm not going to rewatch the finals just so that I can settle an argument with you, especially when I don't have the games on hand. Feel free to do so yourself if you want to, but I'm not.

I find myself to be very objective and like to deal with facts only. But to start "demanding" that people bring specific moments about a full series just to settle an argument is quite ridiculous. Some might want to waste their time doing so to come to a conclusion, but I'm quite comfortable with my impression of what I saw last year. You got your impression, that's fine. But it would take more than a quarter in Game 6 to change my mind.
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Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2009, 09:31:35 AM »

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Posey was no good guarding Kobe but I can't tell you when was Posey guarding Kobe - except for a quarter where he held him scoreless and a few possessions in a road game.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

This is one of the most hilarious arguments I've ever read here. People saying they know how player X defended player Y a few months ago, but that they won't tell when that happened, not even the game. I think this discussion is pretty much settled.

Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2009, 09:34:29 AM »

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Posey was no good guarding Kobe but I can't tell you when was Posey guarding Kobe - except for a quarter where he held him scoreless and a few possessions in a road game.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

This is one of the most hilarious arguments I've ever read here. I think this discussion is pretty much settled.

Cordobes, don't be such a fool. What about this... how about you go watch the finals again, and bring me all the quarters and possessions in which Posey guarded Kobe and I'll see if I can get myself to rewatch them. If you're not willing to do all that work, then don't expect me to do so. I'm quite comfortable with what I saw and with my impression of the entire series, if you aren't and need some specific proof then that's your problem.

Or what about this, why don't you bring even more examples of when Posey did a good job on Kobe?


And just a thought, would've Pierce heroics against Kobe been so great had Posey been doing a great job on Kobe throughout the series? I think that's worth pondering about.
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Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2009, 09:44:03 AM »

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Posey was no good guarding Kobe but I can't tell you when was Posey guarding Kobe - except for a quarter where he held him scoreless and a few possessions in a road game.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

This is one of the most hilarious arguments I've ever read here. I think this discussion is pretty much settled.

Cordobes, don't be such a fool. What about this... how about you go watch the finals again, and bring me all the quarters in which Posey guarded Kobe and I'll see if I can get myself to rewatch them. If you're not willing to do all that work, then don't expect me to do so. I'm quite comfortable with what I saw and with my impression of the entire series, if you aren't and need some specific proof then that's your problem.

Fool? First of all, no personal insults or this conversation is immediately over. Do you understand this? Okay.

Secondly, you are the one saying Posey was unable to stop Kobe, not me. You are the one who watched him defending Bryant for more than a few possessions in some other time that that 2nd quarter in game 6. And you can't even answer when that happened? Not even the game?!??! I mean, was it in the Finals, at least? How the heck do you want me to tell you when happened what you saw?!??!?! Did we see the finals together or something? I don't think so...

I'm pretty sure that everybody has already understood why you aren't able to answer these questions. I'm predicting nobody will answer them. (instead we'll have to read dozens of posts saying "oh, you're making Posey this defensive stopper that he wasn't" and "oh, what's wrong with saying he wasn't that good stopping Kobe, nobody really can", when that's far from being the subject here and nobody really argued that, just as nobody but BBallTim said Smith is an all-start).


Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2009, 09:50:22 AM »

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Posey was no good guarding Kobe but I can't tell you when was Posey guarding Kobe - except for a quarter where he held him scoreless and a few possessions in a road game.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

This is one of the most hilarious arguments I've ever read here. I think this discussion is pretty much settled.

Cordobes, don't be such a fool. What about this... how about you go watch the finals again, and bring me all the quarters in which Posey guarded Kobe and I'll see if I can get myself to rewatch them. If you're not willing to do all that work, then don't expect me to do so. I'm quite comfortable with what I saw and with my impression of the entire series, if you aren't and need some specific proof then that's your problem.

Fool? First of all, no personal insults or this conversation is immediately over. Do you understand this? Okay.

Secondly, you are the one saying Posey was unable to stop Kobe, not me. You are the one who watched him defending Posey for more than a few possessions in some other time that that 2nd quarter in game 6. And you can't even answer when that happened? Not even the game?!??! I mean, was it in the Finals, at least? How the heck do you want me to tell you when happened what you saw?!??!?! Did we see the finals together or something? I don't think so...

I'm pretty sure that everybody has already understood why you aren't able to answer these questions. I'm predicting nobody will answer them. (instead we'll have to read dozens of posts saying "oh, you're making Posey this defensive stopper that he wasn't" and "oh, what's wrong with saying he wasn't that good stopping Kobe, nobody really can", when that's far from being the subject here and nobody really argued that, just as nobody but BBallTim said Smith is an all-start).

Don't take the fool comment so personal. Okay? It was meant more a "don't be so foolish" manner. Nothing insulting about that, and it was about you exhorting people to come with those specifics... something that's really not exhorted of any body here. I find that you find my argument hilarious more insulting just because it doesn't fit some ridiculous standard that goes beyond the expected here, but hey I don't take things personally I didn't call you out for it... simply said not be such a fool meant as "don't be so foolish", sorry if you feel so offended by it, didn't mean anything by it.

Asking about specific moments about games that happened last year should not be something expected to be provided of an argument in here. If people are willing to do that work because they're unsure of themselves, then so be it, and good for them. I already told you to watch the games in LA if you want to see where I get my impressions from. Any more than that, I'm not going to do because first I don't have currently the means to do so, nor the time to waste on it. But feel free to do so if you want.

Re: We haven't solved the problem
« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2009, 09:57:30 AM »

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And why won't anyone who saw Posey defending Kobe badly be able to even point out the games (there were only 6 of them, it shouldn't be that difficult - nobody is asking for specific possessions) where that happened and instead opt to defy others to tell them what happened what they saw - when they are the ones who claim to have seen it?

The answer is quite obvious.