The Moore signing was a mistake; Danny should have waited (split).

[twinbree]

I'm just not convinced the difference between Moore and Smith is that great. Both aren't beasts that can protect the rim. Instead they are tall, mobile players that can hit jumpshots.

Would I rather have smith? yes. But i'll roll with Moore.

Lets get KG healthy, give Bill Walker a couple minutes and go get banner 18!

In terms of their contribution to this team, I'm not convinced the difference will be that great either. I'm going with a wait and see approach on what Moore can give them.

[Lucky17]

In a pinch, could Moore defend at SF? Is he mobile enough?

[Jon]

Thus no team is going to give us anything in a trade when they could just sign them for part of or all of the MLE. 

In this economic climate, no one is going to want Powe or Davis at close to the MLE. 

So, you're saying no one will want to trade for either, when they can use some of their MLE money, but no one will want to spend their MLE money on them? I think you really just don't think much of either of them, which is a valid opinion.

But either definitely could be used in a trade, along with our expiring contracts (Allen, Scal, etc), to give a team financial relief from a veteran player on a long-term contract (e.g., Nocioni).

What I'm saying is that no one will want to spend more than a couple million dollars on either of these guys.  If that's the case, why would anyone want to trade for them when they could just straight up sign them?  I get your Nocioni idea; however, I believe the appeal of that deal for the Kings was partly due to the fact that guys like Powe or Davis wouldn't be on the payroll after this year. 

To be brutally honest with you, I don't think Powe or Davis is going to amount to much outside of the Celtic system.  Both are undersized and both benefit from playing with outstanding teammates.  Hopefully some team is foolish enough to want one of them in a sign and trade; however, I don't think it happens. 

[crownsy]

mikki moore stinks...

the only thing different between he and POB is he's a "veteran" so that makes people feel more comfortable with him.

another wasted roster space...

and the fact that he tries and occasionaly appears to be breathing.

mikki moore > a rock > POB, who will be out of the league in short order.

[Las Vegas Asian]

Back room deal:

The Raptors want to move Solomon and need a big to replace Oneal on the bench at the 5 spot.

Sacramento wants salary cap relief and cash.

Boston wants Moore.

But due to the salaries involved and the restrictions in how much money can be included in a deal and how much money each team could afford. A strict trade wouldn't work. But if there is a pretense of trades for second round picks and cash and Sacramento promises to but out Moore to some predetermined number so that the Celtics could sign him and Moore's agent is down with the whole thing with a little wink and nod, then the whole deal goes down the way it does and Danny, due to the wink and nod, has to sign Moore. If he doesn't, Moore's agent comes forward with the tampering and the Celtics pay big time ala Minnesota/Joe Smith.

The way it worked everyone save a little money and got the players they wanted. I mean think about it, who the hell puts protection on second round draft picks to the point of making them impossible to get? No one, that's who. It was all pretense to make it appear legal.

but this is based on us wanting Moore, not having to take him in order to get a deal done....

I though you were arguing that we had to take him for some reason....

That's true but it is also a fact that if we don't sign Moore after it went down this way that his agent could have dropped dime on the whole deal and put the Celtics in hot water with the league for tampering.

Therefore, we HAD to sign Moore once we did the deals for Cassell and POB. We cleared space for signings, we saved a bit of cash, and didn't need to eat any money by simply cutting people. Once that was done, part of the whole deal was having to sign Moore.

If the alternative, we have to cut POOB and Cassell and eat their salaries and then sign Marbury and hope and pray that Smith is let go and then signs with us or the way it went down perhaps Danny figured it was better to save the money, make friendly with Toronto and Sactown, and get the guarantee in Moore than perhaps wasting all the money in cutting Sam and POB and then onl;y ending up with Marbury.

nick, Moore WANTED to be released. if the thing went down the way you are saying, Moore would be thanking us whether we signed him or not.

if you're right, we got Moore released when his value was the highest....before guys like Smith and Gooden got bought out...

Who cares if Moore wanted to be released. It doesn't matter. If the Kings didn't want to outlay the cash right now then it wasn't going to happen. Antoine wanted to be bought out by the TWolves. It didn't happen. Just because he wanted to be bought out doesn't mean it was going to happen.

Also, by doing it the way they did, the Kings got cash to help offset the cost of the buyout. Perhaps without that cash, Moore nevers gets bought out.

Anyway, it's all Oliver Stone type stuff and nothing can be proved. It's just a theory of mine.

Oh it can be proven! My source here in Vegas said that's exactly what the Maloofs told him over dinner last night at the Palms. Anyone want to argue with a guy who wears a patch???   

[RebusRankin]

Yes, Danny made a mistake. However only in hindsight.

[silvershamrocker]

Hindsight is 20 20.

[cornbreadsmart]

guarantee ya info comes out later that this was NOT the case.all these pages for nothing. man, people are quick to criticize danny. i'm really surprised people are calling this a mistake,taking it as fact.

[Roy Hobbs]

Yes, Danny made a mistake. However only in hindsight.

Hindsight is 20 20.

I disagree that it's hindsight.  Many posters said that Danny should wait a week to see if Smith was bought out.  I can probably point you to 50 posts on the subject if you guys would like.  This was completely foreseeable. 

[CoachBo]

I agree, I said multiple times I'd have waited, even at the risk of having to sign a guy like Austin Croshere.

Ainge should have signed better players in the off-season, giving himself the luxury to wait now, and not being forced to pull the trigger on the first big man available (because POB was obviously an useless bum). 

Agreed, especially on the summer Danny essentially took off - but the longer these, uh, curious signings go on, the more my suspicion that the budget is being squeezed.

[KungPoweChicken]

I only have one thing to say, and that is, where are all the "in Danny I trust" puppets right now?

[Rondo_is_better]

I only have one thing to say, and this is, where are all the "in Danny I trust" puppets right now?

Trusting him very quietly.

[D Dub]

Yes, Danny made a mistake. However only in hindsight.

Hindsight is 20 20.

I disagree that it's hindsight.  Many posters said that Danny should wait a week to see if Smith was bought out.  I can probably point you to 50 posts on the subject if you guys would like.  This was completely foreseeable. 

What about Bulpet's report where 'prominent people in the organization' are saying they preferred Moore to Smith?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1154251&format=text


Just because this was forseeable, doesn't mean its a mistake. 

[Roy Hobbs]

Yes, Danny made a mistake. However only in hindsight.

Hindsight is 20 20.

I disagree that it's hindsight.  Many posters said that Danny should wait a week to see if Smith was bought out.  I can probably point you to 50 posts on the subject if you guys would like.  This was completely foreseeable. 

What about Bulpet's report where 'prominent people in the organization' are saying they preferred Moore to Smith?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1154251&format=text


Just because this was forseeable, doesn't mean its a mistake. 

Sure, time will tell.  However, I don't think that most people who follow the NBA closely think that Moore is a better player than Smith.

[xmuscularghandix]

Yes, Danny made a mistake. However only in hindsight.

Hindsight is 20 20.

I disagree that it's hindsight.  Many posters said that Danny should wait a week to see if Smith was bought out.  I can probably point you to 50 posts on the subject if you guys would like.  This was completely foreseeable. 

What about Bulpet's report where 'prominent people in the organization' are saying they preferred Moore to Smith?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1154251&format=text


Just because this was forseeable, doesn't mean its a mistake. 

Sure, time will tell.  However, I don't think that most people who follow the NBA closely think that Moore is a better player than Smith.

i'd rather have Moore, he's taller (length) and because of everything he's been through he's happy to be here and is going to go 100% every night. also i don't want anybody taking time from Big Baby.