The Moore signing was a mistake; Danny should have waited (split).

[winsomme]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

[cordobes]

I didn't see any threads up about danny "jumping the gun" after we signed moore. Only after Smith and gooden were bought out. Were there any? Why are people putting Smith on this pedastel anyway, he is not a game changer. I just don't see the infatuation with him. If we had Smith and Cleveland got Moore would it really change that much. Would we suddenly be the clear favorite?

You didn't? There were threads about it before we signed Moore. In fact, there was a poll on which half of the voters said we should pass on Moore and wait for a better player to become available. Personally, I'm still hoping Ainge can land one of these guys. Yeah, if we got Smith and Cleveland got Moore it'd change things quite a bit (now I'm getting ready for someone accusing me of saying that Smith is a difference maker, the new Wilt, etc.)

Oh my god, i've been avoiding this blog all day because all these topics are so negative. I get it danny only managed to get us a all-star caliber back up point guard and a hustling 7 foot big man. God we're like a whiny kid on christmas morning who is crying because they only got a few of the toys they wanted. Yes i know we wanted a stretch armstrong, but we'll make do with the G.I. Joe.

We will be fine. The team looks bad right now i know, but so would any of their contending teams if they loose their best player, and key bench players due to injure (yah all give T.A. that title wanna fight about it). But gosh have some faith in the team we have. The difference between joe smith and mikki more is tiny even if there is any.

And anyone who says they wouldn't have second guessed danny if he didn't sign mikki moore and joe smith didn't get bought out are full of crap. All this second guessing and finger pointing is getting really annoying and needs to stop.

Lets just watch the games and see what happens, that's what makes sports fun, its unpredictable, if everything went perfectly, we signed every good player that came out there and the team meshed perfectly, there's never a bump in the road all year, and we never lose, it wouldn't be entertaining, so just get over it.

Really? Full of crap? I was of the opinion that we should pass on Moore and wait for a better player to become available before we signed Moore - and I wrote it; I was of that same opinion after we signed Moore and before Smith/Gooden were released - and I wrote; obviously, I still keep that opinion - I've been saying for more than a week that I'd rather have the chance of signing Smith but eventually be forced to sign Austin Croshere than just signing Moore. You're accusing me of being full of crap because I dared to have an opinion different from yours (assuming you indeed have one)?

People really need to understand that it's okay to disagree with management decisions. It doesn't mean one is "hating" or that the team is doomed or anything of that kind. It's also a part of being a fan, fans are always doing that. If people can't handle that and get so affected by reading different opinions, they should consider stop reading threads like this one. Saying the others "must stop" discussing these issues because they don't like these issues to be discussed is pretty laughable.

[BballTim]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

[winsomme]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

and Smith is closer to filling the need at center IMO than Moore does. Smith is longer than both BBD and Powe and Moore is so skinny.

Horry again brings that nastiness that you had with PJ, but he was the insurance policy (among others) in the effort to go after Smith not the goal. That is to say, any difference you might see between Moore and a Horry, et al was made up by gambling to get Smith.

look, Smith wanted to come here and he was the Cs first choice. That's not me saying this. These are the reports.

Maybe they can still go after him, but I think that if they did that they would be seriously screwing over Moore...

[BballTim]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

[winsomme]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

so would Smith.  just not the "clearest" need....

we had a backup PG, BBall. You may not have been satisfied with him, but Eddie was the backup PG and was probably our best performer off the bench.

[BballTim]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

so would Smith.  just not the "clearest" need....

we had a backup PG, BBall. You may not have been satisfied with him, but Eddie was the backup PG and was probably our best performer off the bench.

  Sure, if a backup pg who doesn't handle the ball much and is only really effective as a backup 2 means we don't have a need there.

[winsomme]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

so would Smith.  just not the "clearest" need....

we had a backup PG, BBall. You may not have been satisfied with him, but Eddie was the backup PG and was probably our best performer off the bench.

  Sure, if a backup pg who doesn't handle the ball much and is only really effective as a backup 2 means we don't have a need there.

effective enough to win a Title.

Look at the "need" question this way.

we have our entire roster back from last year with the exception of Posey and PJ.

So their absence left vacancies at those spots.

does Mar replace Posey? No. But he was a talented enough player to sign anyway on the chance that his ability would overcome the lack of really filling the need. (with the potential downside being that you are taking minutes away from an already good performer who filled that spot in your Title run the previous season)

does Smith replace PJ? Not exactly. But he's closer to replacing PJ than Mar is to replacing Posey. and he's clearly a better player than Moore. and may even be closer to replacing the actual need than Moore. Time will tell on that.

[BballTim]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

so would Smith.  just not the "clearest" need....

we had a backup PG, BBall. You may not have been satisfied with him, but Eddie was the backup PG and was probably our best performer off the bench.

  Sure, if a backup pg who doesn't handle the ball much and is only really effective as a backup 2 means we don't have a need there.

effective enough to win a Title.

Look at the "need" question this way.

we have our entire roster back from last year with the exception of Posey and PJ.

  He wasn't effective enough for us to win a title with him as backup pg.

[winsomme]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

so would Smith.  just not the "clearest" need....

we had a backup PG, BBall. You may not have been satisfied with him, but Eddie was the backup PG and was probably our best performer off the bench.

  Sure, if a backup pg who doesn't handle the ball much and is only really effective as a backup 2 means we don't have a need there.

effective enough to win a Title.

Look at the "need" question this way.

we have our entire roster back from last year with the exception of Posey and PJ.

  He wasn't effective enough for us to win a title with him as backup pg.

This year?

[BballTim]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

so would Smith.  just not the "clearest" need....

we had a backup PG, BBall. You may not have been satisfied with him, but Eddie was the backup PG and was probably our best performer off the bench.

  Sure, if a backup pg who doesn't handle the ball much and is only really effective as a backup 2 means we don't have a need there.

effective enough to win a Title.

Look at the "need" question this way.

we have our entire roster back from last year with the exception of Posey and PJ.

  He wasn't effective enough for us to win a title with him as backup pg.

This year?

  Well, last year. Sam played more minutes at backup pg even though he frequently sucked.

[LB3533]

Cassell barely played in the playoffs.

I think he had one good momement in the playoffs against Detroit where he kept the team in the game with his scoring.

[winsomme]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

so would Smith.  just not the "clearest" need....

we had a backup PG, BBall. You may not have been satisfied with him, but Eddie was the backup PG and was probably our best performer off the bench.

  Sure, if a backup pg who doesn't handle the ball much and is only really effective as a backup 2 means we don't have a need there.

effective enough to win a Title.

Look at the "need" question this way.

we have our entire roster back from last year with the exception of Posey and PJ.

  He wasn't effective enough for us to win a title with him as backup pg.

This year?

  Well, last year. Sam played more minutes at backup pg even though he frequently sucked.

again, he wasn't an obstacle to winning a Title and he was also on this roster too...

If the Cs were that worried about Eddie, they could have moved Pruitt and POB instead of Sam and POB to have more insurance at the PG spot.

anyway, I'm not arguing against the Mar signing. I think there are question about it in regards to filling a need and potentially diminishing a solid bench guy, but i understand the gamble.

the gamble i don't understand was signing Moore....for all the reasons i have stated.

[BballTim]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

so would Smith.  just not the "clearest" need....

we had a backup PG, BBall. You may not have been satisfied with him, but Eddie was the backup PG and was probably our best performer off the bench.

  Sure, if a backup pg who doesn't handle the ball much and is only really effective as a backup 2 means we don't have a need there.

effective enough to win a Title.

Look at the "need" question this way.

we have our entire roster back from last year with the exception of Posey and PJ.

  He wasn't effective enough for us to win a title with him as backup pg.

This year?

  Well, last year. Sam played more minutes at backup pg even though he frequently sucked.

again, he wasn't an obstacle to winning a Title and he was also on this roster too...

If the Cs were that worried about Eddie, they could have moved Pruitt and POB instead of Sam and POB to have more insurance at the PG spot.

anyway, I'm not arguing against the Mar signing. I think there are question about it in regards to filling a need and potentially diminishing a solid bench guy, but i understand the gamble.

the gamble i don't understand was signing Moore....for all the reasons i have stated.

  Scal wasn't an obstacle to our winning the title last year. And you do realize that they were planning on getting Marbury when they traded Sam instead of Pruitt, right?

[winsomme]

Hobbs points out - correctly - that Danny jumped the gun with Smith and Gooden available. Either is clearly preferable to Moore.

I happen to agree.

The notion that Danny never makes mistakes is simply not based in fact. It's more Internet fantasy.

  Joe Smith may or may not be a better player that Moore but he's more a backup pf than a backup c. Same with Gooden. If you're looking for the best of all of the available players it was Marbury.

so you defend the Mar signing because he was the better player, but you defend the Moore signing because he more filled the need?

  Which part do you disagree with?

choosing "need" in regards to signing Moore because i'm not even sure that he fills the need.

  Does Joe Smith fill our need for length at backup center? Does Brian Skinner? Does Robert Horry?

well, no...that's the point I'm making in relation to Marbury. If you can't fill a need, then at least target the better player..

  Marbury did fill a need. Backup pg and scoring off the bench.

so would Smith.  just not the "clearest" need....

we had a backup PG, BBall. You may not have been satisfied with him, but Eddie was the backup PG and was probably our best performer off the bench.

  Sure, if a backup pg who doesn't handle the ball much and is only really effective as a backup 2 means we don't have a need there.

effective enough to win a Title.

Look at the "need" question this way.

we have our entire roster back from last year with the exception of Posey and PJ.

  He wasn't effective enough for us to win a title with him as backup pg.

This year?

  Well, last year. Sam played more minutes at backup pg even though he frequently sucked.

again, he wasn't an obstacle to winning a Title and he was also on this roster too...

If the Cs were that worried about Eddie, they could have moved Pruitt and POB instead of Sam and POB to have more insurance at the PG spot.

anyway, I'm not arguing against the Mar signing. I think there are question about it in regards to filling a need and potentially diminishing a solid bench guy, but i understand the gamble.

the gamble i don't understand was signing Moore....for all the reasons i have stated.

  Scal wasn't an obstacle to our winning the title last year. And you do realize that they were planning on getting Marbury when they traded Sam instead of Pruitt, right?

when did i say Scal was an obstacle to winning a Title last year? did he even play?