Pierce iso move needs a vacation?

[TheReaLPuba]

Yea so when the iso works and we score it's brilliant but when it doesn't it needs "a vacation?" come on people....give me a break.

Pierce one on one I will take in our favor against anyone on any given night....but did we not forget Pierce dislocated his thumb not once but twice last game?

The only time PP has failed us down the stretch on this trip is the Utah game.

This Clippers game should never have come down to a shot or two by PP or the last turnover by Rondo.

How free throws did we miss? How many turnovers did we commit? How many points did we let them score in the paint?

We just played terrible basketball overall against a weak team.

We can't pin this loss on one offensive play!

[LB3533]

We had too many turnovers against the Clippers because the ball was in too many people's hands....

I'd rather Pierce have the ball in his or Rondo have the ball in his hands....that's it. (And maybe Ray)

[xmuscularghandix]

We had too many turnovers against the Clippers because the ball was in too many people's hands....

I'd rather Pierce have the ball in his or Rondo have the ball in his hands....that's it. (And maybe Ray)

or last night we could have went to glen davis, who was hot all night. i mean Paul did have an injured hand, ride who's hot.

[jdub1660]

The move that I want to see him use less is that power step/backspin off the defender, b/c it's WAY TOO PREDICTABLE. The defender just waits for him to drive in, spin off them, and he gets double teamed at that point and he gets stripped. Poor possessions. And the 3 ball should not be the go-to-play either. Like you said, Ray has a midrange J.

[xmuscularghandix]

The move that I want to see him use less is that power step/backspin off the defender, b/c it's WAY TOO PREDICTABLE. The defender just waits for him to drive in, spin off them, and he gets double teamed at that point and he gets stripped. Poor possessions. And the 3 ball should not be the go-to-play either. Like you said, Ray has a midrange J.

paul pierce has twice the midrange game ray does. Ray may complete more of his shots, but Pierce has more of an arsenal of shots.

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The move that I want to see him use less is that power step/backspin off the defender, b/c it's WAY TOO PREDICTABLE. The defender just waits for him to drive in, spin off them, and he gets double teamed at that point and he gets stripped. Poor possessions. And the 3 ball should not be the go-to-play either. Like you said, Ray has a midrange J.

paul pierce has twice the midrange game ray does. Ray may complete more of his shots, but Pierce has more of an arsenal of shots.

PP is my favorite player, but his game is way too predictable. He's execution is whats trumps any defense. Lately, PP has been a bit lackadaisical. He tries to be the hero way too many times, he should differ more. That said Ray our most productive player this season should do more in the 4th Q. Don't know if its doc not calling plays for him, or him taking a backseat due to his respect to pierce. Doc is sometimes too slow making adjustments. If something doesn't work change it.

[Fafnir]

The move that I want to see him use less is that power step/backspin off the defender, b/c it's WAY TOO PREDICTABLE. The defender just waits for him to drive in, spin off them, and he gets double teamed at that point and he gets stripped. Poor possessions. And the 3 ball should not be the go-to-play either. Like you said, Ray has a midrange J.

paul pierce has twice the midrange game ray does. Ray may complete more of his shots, but Pierce has more of an arsenal of shots.

I always thought the goal was making shots, rather than taking a variety of them.

Ray's midrange game is underrated. He's not as good at breaking down his man in isolation situations but he has the best pull up jump shot in the game. He's also great at shooting off the catch anywhere.

[Toine43]

It's amusing (well acutally, not really) that people are all of a suddenly questioning the offensive game of one of the best offensive players in Celtics history, just because of a small slump. Don't worry guys, I think when the topic of conversation is how Paul Pierce should play offense, Paul knows best.

By the way, I wish they didn't go to the Pierce iso so much in game 7 against the Cavs last year. 

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It's amusing (well acutally, not really) that people are all of a suddenly questioning the offensive game of one of the best offensive players in Celtics history, just because of a small slump. Don't worry guys, I think when the topic of conversation is how Paul Pierce should play offense, Paul knows best.

By the way, I wish they didn't go to the Pierce iso so much in game 7 against the Cavs last year. 

How can i take TPs away? You said it he's in a funk, so go to ray. Everyone knows Ray is too classy to complain about his lack of involvement. Makes me appreciate Ray that much more.

Maybe game 4 finals we should take away Ray's game clinching layup?

[xmuscularghandix]

The move that I want to see him use less is that power step/backspin off the defender, b/c it's WAY TOO PREDICTABLE. The defender just waits for him to drive in, spin off them, and he gets double teamed at that point and he gets stripped. Poor possessions. And the 3 ball should not be the go-to-play either. Like you said, Ray has a midrange J.

paul pierce has twice the midrange game ray does. Ray may complete more of his shots, but Pierce has more of an arsenal of shots.

I always thought the goal was making shots, rather than taking a variety of them.

Ray's midrange game is underrated. He's not as good at breaking down his man in isolation situations but he has the best pull up jump shot in the game. He's also great at shooting off the catch anywhere.

Ray curls off of screens and jumps high enough to avoid the contested shot, but thats only a small percent of his game, alot of it is the three point game and getting open shots through good ball movement.

I'd say about 80% of Pauls game is mid-range (mike and donny were talking about it last night, and T.Prince has commented on it) he has a huge variety of shots that he can nail.

so if Ray takes like 5 midrange shots and makes 3 out of them thats a better percentage than if Pierce takes like 12 and only makes 6 or 7.

[zerophase]

His iso move jump shot is awful... I have no faith in that move at all. What happened to driving? Ref's need to call fouls again in the 4th quarter; actually no. Ref's need to actually call FAIR fouls again in the 4th quarter.

[wannafhg]

I could not agree more to this! Ive been watching game after game and I keep telling myself why PP keeps doing this. I'll admit I love it when he makes it but i think its actually a bad offensive play so he better make it. He keeps disappointing me. I hate it when he catches it, stands there, looks and shoots or one dribble then shoot. I mean common what is that? I agree too that it doesnt go to ray to much unless if they want a three.

[RockinRyA]

I only like his Iso if he is threatening to drive. When he is only looking for a jumper, it is too predictable.

All ball movement dies, the defense easily gets the rebound.

But if Paul is in full driving/shooting/mix up mode and he's hot, then i love it!

yeah same thoughts.

about ray at crunchtime.. ray is having a hard time getting free at crunch time. at the utah game i remember few times they went to ray but he couldnt get a clean look each time so the just passed it back to rondo.

[Atzar]

The move that I want to see him use less is that power step/backspin off the defender, b/c it's WAY TOO PREDICTABLE. The defender just waits for him to drive in, spin off them, and he gets double teamed at that point and he gets stripped. Poor possessions. And the 3 ball should not be the go-to-play either. Like you said, Ray has a midrange J.

paul pierce has twice the midrange game ray does. Ray may complete more of his shots, but Pierce has more of an arsenal of shots.

Um, no he doesn't.  Have you watched Ray when he comes off a screen and gets inside the arc?  His pullup jumper is money wherever he decides to shoot it.  Paul's just better at forcing a shot through the defender's face as the shot clock is dying.  I'm not trying to take away from Paul's midrange game here, but I think you're really undervaluing Ray's midrange by a lot.

[ma11l]

The move that I want to see him use less is that power step/backspin off the defender, b/c it's WAY TOO PREDICTABLE. The defender just waits for him to drive in, spin off them, and he gets double teamed at that point and he gets stripped. Poor possessions. And the 3 ball should not be the go-to-play either. Like you said, Ray has a midrange J.

paul pierce has twice the midrange game ray does. Ray may complete more of his shots, but Pierce has more of an arsenal of shots.

Um, no he doesn't.  Have you watched Ray when he comes off a screen and gets inside the arc?  His pullup jumper is money wherever he decides to shoot it.  Paul's just better at forcing a shot through the defender's face as the shot clock is dying.  I'm not trying to take away from Paul's midrange game here, but I think you're really undervaluing Ray's midrange by a lot.

Not really worth a discussion.  Ray's whole game is about coming off of screens and movement without the ball.  Paul's game can be with screens but is mostly movement with the basketball.  They are very, very different, and that's what makes them effective on the court at the same time.