I too hate the Knicks but not as much as I used to. I live in New York and watch them from time to time, they are actually a pretty fun team to watch. For the life of me I do not understand why every trade rumor they were involved in included David Lee and Nate Robinson, the two of them are their best players., I read an article recently that many people in the Knicks management had thought that Lee had hit his ceiling and this is as good as he will ever be. Well 16 points and 12 rebounds a game is a pretty good ceiling, he isn't a superstar, but he doesn't need to be. If they have any sense they will hold onto Nate, Lee, and Duhon for a long time.