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Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #150 on: February 21, 2009, 11:19:29 PM »

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Scal looked pretty good last night...

huh?  the poor guy was clearly overmatched and couldn't even stay on the floor.

the lengths that some will go to to keep justifying this guy's presence here is mystifying...

danny failed...that's the bottom line.  the offseason signings of both cassell and POB were mistakes that he just traded himself out of.  and if the reports are true that we could have had nocioni for a pile of scrubs/garbage, then danny failed again.

this team isn't built to win 5 years from now...it's built to win NOW.  and a failure to subsidize the bench with any help is magnified because our "aging 3" are one injury away from watching this team turn into a mediocre basketball club.

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Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #151 on: February 22, 2009, 11:50:37 AM »

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Well, for that comparison reasearch you did a great job, and you fairly compared the two. But IU still see it differently in the "time played" section. You see, POB's garbage time minutes are flat out impossible minutes. It is more like a good player going out there and playing with a bunch of 15-16 year old players of today...it is every man for himself, crazy antics, ball hogging, "try your shot" ect. and through it all, I saw POB, doing more than anyone in keeping his composure, trying to do what (lost coach) Rivers wanted. He always tried to set that stupid high pick, he cleared out, then was in there for the rebound. He PASSED quite well to his teammates, to set up a play, not because he dribbled into a hole....! Any player would rather play in prime time, with real players, and that is why scal has shown some, improvement, but is still a non-player. I don't hate scal, but he is a novelty act.....if he wasn't here, he would be stacking the high shelves at walmart....did you see him foul out in 5 minutes...? He is lost out there. At best he is a decent pick-up player at your gym, at 6' 9"....Doc didn't develop him because doc is a one dimensional thinker. Before the "big3" he played only 5 guys, 6 if he had too. Coach O'brien would have done so much better! Now we are the victims of docs knucklehead style...KG was overplayed all year, should have rested before the allstar break and more....how many games were we up 20-30 and doc kept the starters in until 2 minutes left, then it was walker, giddens POB , pruitt time, so stupid, so one dimensional, sooo, "safe"....no vision. Rest your stars early in the season, like BARKLEY SAID, the only thing that matters is the
PLAYOFFS, remember what happened to our Patriots....? DOC has no vision, that is why POB didn't play, and contribute to why KG is hurt, PP is running near it, ect....

Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #152 on: February 22, 2009, 01:49:26 PM »

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this whole Scal vs POB argument is beside the point.

the fact that we are relying on either of these guys to help this team win games just illustrates the awful condition of our bench.

the Celts lose their 6th & 8th man over the summer and do nothing to replace them. Danny's insane idea that Tony Allen, Baby Davis, Scal, etc. were going to miraculously improve enough over one off-season to replace Posey and Brown was, well, insane. what was Danny thinking ??

btw ............. of all the moves (trades, draft picks, FA signings) that Ainge has made in his tenure, what % have been successful ??
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Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #153 on: February 22, 2009, 09:45:16 PM »

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So.....how's that whole Scalsucks and Doc can't coach thing working out right about now?

Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #154 on: February 22, 2009, 09:51:18 PM »

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So.....how's that whole Scalsucks and Doc can't coach thing working out right about now?

Just fine thank you. Also, I am floating down this thing that is apparently not just a river in Egypt.

Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #155 on: February 23, 2009, 09:21:01 AM »

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I'm not a big Scal fan but he's much more helpful to the team since he can stretch the floor and hit an open three, where Patrick O'Bryant can do what exactly?  He can play inside a bit but I don't really ever see the guy becoming an impact player.  He reminds me of a guy like Noah from Chicago, but he doesn't even bring any sort of consistency and he hasn't really impressed me at any point.

Does he every become capable of some low post offense?  I don't see it.  So what does he bring?  Defense and rebounding?  He doesn't seem physical or active enough to make an impact there.  I don't see what POB really brings to the table.
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Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #156 on: February 23, 2009, 10:07:32 AM »

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So.....how's that whole Scalsucks and Doc can't coach thing working out right about now?

Just fine thank you. Also, I am floating down this thing that is apparently not just a river in Egypt.

denile eh?

Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #157 on: February 23, 2009, 01:00:07 PM »

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So.....how's that whole Scalsucks and Doc can't coach thing working out right about now?

 Just the way I wanted it to...! Do you think I changed my mind. You couldn't keep from making it personal could you....it is difficult growing up, maybe in your next 43 years you might (good to start by moving out of your mom's house!)_Scal has developed into an average player, where he should be at is as good as Varejo...but he isn't. If he could play like that, I would be happy. He is overpaid for his contributions. And Doc is still what I think he is, well only to me. I wanted to start a dialog on how everyone sees it just to see. Lebron "rested the whole 4th quarter yesterday while they were up, as did most of their starters, but then again Doc was outcoached last year by both Cleveland and Atlanta, two teams with less talent than the C's....good thing the big 3 dug deep to get us out of there, mostly PP...! Those two teams figured out that when you shut down Ray, the scoring stops....!

Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #158 on: February 23, 2009, 01:05:05 PM »

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So.....how's that whole Scalsucks and Doc can't coach thing working out right about now?

 

Friendly note: might want to edit out those personal attacks on X, weak as they may be, they're still against TOS and will get modded.


as to how its working out, Fine, we won without our best defensive player and scal has looked pretty good at the two things i care about from him, no easy buckets and hitting the open 3, sicne coming back from being concussed.

It irked me that doc didnt pull the starters 3 minutes earlier, but i'll survive. Imagine the rash of doc haters if this team wasen't 45-11  ::)
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Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #159 on: February 23, 2009, 06:33:42 PM »

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Quote from: nickagneta on Yesterday at 09:45:16 pm
So.....how's that whole Scalsucks and Doc can't coach thing working out right about now?

   This is the originator of the "Lets get personal" blog...stems from my asking on The "Docs report card" post to let the personal stuff go away.... To defend my position on Scal, Doc ect....the main point here is that I am doubting if this team now stacks up good enough against the Lakers, Cleveland, San Antonio...Scal plays fine against regular teams ~.500 ect....is he going to be a threat to these teams, how much help will he be...? We do not have enough....especially if the Lakers get Bynum back.....they beat us 2x...1 time okay 2x....maybe M Moore can shut Gasol down, because that is what we'll need..Scal will not be able to cover Odom, Bynum, Gasol, Bonner, Varajo, Ilgaskus.....I see what Scal can do, and I know what he cannot do, he is an okay player for 7 years in the league, huh..?

Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #160 on: February 23, 2009, 11:18:11 PM »

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So.....how's that whole Scalsucks and Doc can't coach thing working out right about now?

 Just the way I wanted it to...! Do you think I changed my mind. You couldn't keep from making it personal could you....it is difficult growing up, maybe in your next 43 years you might (good to start by moving out of your mom's house!)_Scal has developed into an average player, where he should be at is as good as Varejo...but he isn't. If he could play like that, I would be happy. He is overpaid for his contributions. And Doc is still what I think he is, well only to me. I wanted to start a dialog on how everyone sees it just to see. Lebron "rested the whole 4th quarter yesterday while they were up, as did most of their starters, but then again Doc was outcoached last year by both Cleveland and Atlanta, two teams with less talent than the C's....good thing the big 3 dug deep to get us out of there, mostly PP...! Those two teams figured out that when you shut down Ray, the scoring stops....!
My, my, aren't we touchy? I meant that for everyone that has that particular point of view and not just you. I think that you took what amounts to a joke so personally and decided to respond in such an immature insulting manner says more about how much you might need to grow up than it does about how much I need to grow up.

And just so that we are clear, my mother threw my out of my childhood home at the ripe old age of 18. Yet I managed to graduate from a very esteemed college, get married to a beautiful woman, raise three highly intelligent kids, two of whom are in top 100 universities nationwide, buy my own house, sell it, buy another and leverage that into an extremely successful small business. I have no need for my mother's house. As far as I am concerned you can both say hello to each other when you meet up in the heat in the afterlife.

As for your astute observations, Doc has one NBA championship coaching ring. How many other guys currently getting paid to be head coaches on any level of basketball can currently say that? Certainly you can't. And if you were paying attention last spring then you would have seen that Doc coached tremendously well in the last two series of the playoffs and was unbelievable in taking a group of players that had next to no experience playing together and molding them into quite possibly one of the 10 best teams of all-time. And, by the way, they haven't missed a beat this year.

He's an excellent manager of time, handles the press better than most, is a great motivator and has a tremendous pulse on the psyche of his team. His quoting of stats and knowledge of how to apply them to game realities is tremendous and he has the respect and attention and general fondness of all his players and has had a hand in developing many quality NBA players with his "prove to me you have earned your playing time" attitude.


More astute observations on your part:

- Scal has played 8 years not 7.
- Odom, Bonner, and Varejao are exactly the type of players that Scal plays well against. Bigger guys that play the outside game and hate the inside on offense are guys that Scal gives fits to. Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, Bargnani, Love and Brad Miller are some others. Scal plays these type players tremendously and usually does a great job at shutting them down.
- The best game Scal has had all year was against the Phoenix Suns, a team that was 8 games over .500 at the time.
- KG is averaging 32 MPG, Allen 36 MPG and Pierce 37 MPG. Your claims of Doc overplaying the Big Three are a farce. Check the minutes played of other great 30 year old players on championship teams in the recent past, say 15 -20 years or so. Most were averaging more minutes, in some cases much more minutes.
   
   Shaq in the Laker years when he was about Pierce's age was averaging 37-38 MPG
   
   Duncan in 2008 when he was KG's age played 34 MPG, 2 more than KG.
   
   Pippen and Jordan during thier last threepeat were constantly around 38-39 MPG and they were blowing out teams left and right.

   Hakeem and Drexler who were both in the 32-33 age range in Houston were playing about 39 MPG.

   Doc plays his main guys less minutes per game than Phil Jackson did and does with his stars. He played his big man less time that Greg Popovich did his big man during their last championship run. He played his older players less time than Rudy Tomjonovich did his players. The whole Doc plays his stars too much in blowouts is as ridiculous an argument against Doc as one can find. By all accounts, coaches most Doc detractors consider worlds better than Doc played and play their stars as much or, in most cases, more minutes per game than Doc does.

- Have they lost to a couple of good teams? Sure, so what? When they lose a playoff series I'll start worrying. They lost three games to Washington last year and lost a game each to Toronto and Charlotte while needing miracle last second shots to avoid losing two games to each of those teams. In the end, what the hell did it mean come playoff time? Exactly nothing. If LA and Cleveland can beat us in the playoffs then hats off to them but them beating us in a 7 game series and during the regular season are two completely different things that mean squat in the long run.

Re: POB traded to Toronto
« Reply #161 on: February 23, 2009, 11:21:15 PM »

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