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Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2009, 08:59:00 AM »

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Wasn't OKC interested in bringing in Tony Allen who was a college star there?

Apparently Tony has a following in that city... what about packaging Tony and Scal for Joe Smith? I just don't see why the Thunder would need to waive Smith, why not trade him for two veteran players with championship rings and short contracts?

1. Acquire Smith
2. Sign Wells
3. Sign Marbury/Activate Cassell

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2009, 09:05:11 AM »

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If they knew they could get Bonzi after getting Smith, I'd be ok with that.
No Marbury thank you very much. 

Besides, the C's are at 15 players now, including Sam.  your #3 step doesn't work.  You move Ta/Veal for Smith which makes 14.  Sign Bonzi and you're back at 15.  As much as Sam hurt on the court last year (apparently a number of people forget the majority of poor-shooting nights, the gunner mentality and the lack of desire to initiate offense in the team concept--plus he had his problems with Lindsay Hunter guarding him too), I'd take him over Marbury.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2009, 09:16:17 AM »

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the reality of the situation is that DA's only likely move is to watch the waiver wire and pick up a veteran big that gets cut and then free up Sam's spot to sign him. 

We're going to finish out the season and title run with what we have.





I think that is accurate, with the caveat that I don't see any veteran bigs being waived.  And even if that happens, would you really be excited to add someone like Jake Voshkul?  Would a player of that caliber put them over the top?

The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

We may end up with basically the same roster, but it is not going to be for lack of trying.

If Wyc would come on TV and flat out say that CLE has clearly gotten better, that we have holes that needed to be filled and that he expects this to not be the lineup that we go into the playoffs with after that first bad stretch, how do you think he feels after losing two home games to the teams we could face in a theoretical Finals.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2009, 09:21:57 AM »

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the reality of the situation is that DA's only likely move is to watch the waiver wire and pick up a veteran big that gets cut and then free up Sam's spot to sign him. 

We're going to finish out the season and title run with what we have.





I think that is accurate, with the caveat that I don't see any veteran bigs being waived.  And even if that happens, would you really be excited to add someone like Jake Voshkul?  Would a player of that caliber put them over the top?

The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

We may end up with basically the same roster, but it is not going to be for lack of trying.

If Wyc would come on TV and flat out say that CLE has clearly gotten better, that we have holes that needed to be filled and that he expects this to not be the lineup that we go into the playoffs with after that first bad stretch, how do you think he feels after losing two home games to the teams we could face in a theoretical Finals.
Exactly what I meant -- we'll have the same roster but not for a lack of effort to upgrade it.  There's only so much that can be done with what we have for options.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2009, 12:58:25 PM »

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Folks had barely heard of Roger Mason until Popovich got hold of him.  Good franchises develop players.  They aren't always looking for a quick fix.

Well, I'm pretty sure you considered Tony Allen, Pruitt and Giddens vastly superior players to Mason, but others certainly knew Mason and thought and said that the Spurs were lucky to land him instead of Maggette.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2009, 01:08:12 PM »

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If no Pargo, I think option #3 is Antoine Walker.  He'd provide veteran leadership, outside shooting, and give this team the ability to play small ball from time to time.  He's better than Scal in EVERY respect and as we've seen in the last 2 weeks, we've really missed the little that Scal does provide.  Imagine if we replaced that with someone who was better than Scal and had that Championship experience?  Walker is a fine #3 option if we can't find anything better.

Except, of course, Scal has contributed to an NBA team this season, and Antoine hasn't.  That should tell you something about how NBA GMs see Antoine's potential contribution.

I was an Antoine fan, and I'd rather see him here than POB, simply because I like Antoine better.  However, in terms of useful contributions, I'm not sure what Antoine has to offer.

Well, that argument works both ways.  Scal could have easily been cut in training camp and not been signed by any other team and we could be thinking the same things about him.  That said, I'd definitely have to have Antoine in for a workout to make sure he's at least in playing shape, but beyond that he's a no-brainer.  Scal would be a rotation-level player if he did one thing consistently--rebound.  He never has and that's why he's always been in and out of the lineup over the course of his career.  Antoine can rebound and he'd give us a legitimate small ball lineup.  

All this argument aside, I don't think Ainge is going to even think of signing Antoine unless there's a major injury in the front court.  So, Pargo remains the best, lowest cost option to improve the bench, assuming PJ doesn't want to come back.

Pargo just signed a contract with Oly a couple of weeks ago. They surely aren't releasing him from that contract and I'm fairly certain he's not interested in being released anyway.

Plus, I know you have some peculiar opinions on basketball players, but Pargo would be, IMO, a bad fit. He's another highly unreliable player, who can singlehandedly make you lose a playoffs game. Just ask the Hornets. House is a better version of Pargo. Pargo is more versatile, can create shots and plays better defence, but he's also more mistaken prone and he likes to play heroics. We already have Tony Allen as a player who isn't intelligent enough to understand his limitations. I guess you like that kind of players - to the point you guaranteed that we're better with Tony Allen than we would be with Posey (improved defence, better offence, etc.) - but I personally believe some reliability is a fundamental trait of winning basketball. Players who can be so extremely horrific as Tony Allen and Pargo are often dangerous to their own teams. Anyway, it doesn't matter: Pargo is not a FA and he won't be anytime soon.

TA has had an up-and-down year, spraining the ankle and coming back too soon and then spraining it again.  But he's back on the upswing.  The real problem with him is that he's playing with Eddie House at point guard.  A guy like Posey was better suited to play with Eddie House because you had to guard him on the perimeter.  But put a bad-dribbling, no passing short point guard together with a guy whose entire game is premised on getting to the rim...well, we know what happens, you just pressure House, back off TA, clog the lane, and the offense is gummed up.  No ball movement, bad possessions, and desperation shots as the shot clock is expiring.  TA is a better player than Posey, but put him with a bad point guard and his limitations are exposed.  TA's been the Cs best defender (not today perhaps) at least if you go by PER against.  And if you want to compare him head-to-head with Posey, remember that TA's got the better PER (13.02 to 12.77).  Not that you care about stats :)  And most importantly, TA came at a bargain rate and Posey didn't.  Never forget about the money component when comparing those two guys. We're severely cramped by what we can do by virtue of the salary of the big 3.

Similarly to TA, Eddie House's limitations are highlighted when you ask him to play point.  We really need Gabe back in the lineup or we need Cassell to start playing.  The TA/House backcourt is a bad mixture. 

Cordobes, you made a good point on Pargo, but I just assumed that if we really wanted him we could buy out his contract.  Admittedly, I'm not sure if that works under the salary cap. 

I'm also not sure how you can say House is better than Pargo.  Maybe it's just me, but I prefer players who can actually play their positions.  Pargo is an actual point guard, a better defender, dribbler, penetrator, and scorer.  House shoots 3s better, that's about it. Also, don't underrate Pargo's ability to come up big in the playoffs.  He's a big game player.  House is awesome at hitting 3s after the game's been decided....but throughout his career he's usually come up small in the big games.  But the worse thing about House is that you need to prop him up with a point guard (and a big point at that) to make him successful. 

Just to clarify definitely Pargo's issue, Olympiacos paid a bigger buyout for him just 15 days ago that the C's could pay them.

Also, people remember when Pargo comes up big in big games. It's a similar phenomenon to the "Kobe is clutch" myth. Anyway, I understand we value the skill-set of basketball players very differently as you don't care at all about reliability. Once again, the last thing we need is another who believes he's much better than he actually is and doesn't have the brains to understand his role.

Don't take it personally, but there's no point in arguing with you about Tony Allen, because you have an extremely radical opinion. Not only you think he's a better player than Posey, but you also believe he's a better defender than, say, KG - who's only one of the best defenders in the history of the game (probably the best p'n'r defender of all times, I think). I like to have conversations about basketball and basketball players, but some common ground is needed, otherwise things just don't make sense. You probably think Thibodeau is a hater because he called out TA on his defence recently... Just an explanation on why I won't bother to refute your POV.


(anyway, I'm amused that now Posey was a better fit next to House. A few months ago Tony Allen was the best one, as he could create his own shot and slash towards the rim, while Posey and House were both catch and shoot type of players..: I'm pretty sure Tony Allen shortcomings will never be of his own responsibility though)

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2009, 02:59:34 PM »

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If no Pargo, I think option #3 is Antoine Walker.  He'd provide veteran leadership, outside shooting, and give this team the ability to play small ball from time to time.  He's better than Scal in EVERY respect and as we've seen in the last 2 weeks, we've really missed the little that Scal does provide.  Imagine if we replaced that with someone who was better than Scal and had that Championship experience?  Walker is a fine #3 option if we can't find anything better.

Except, of course, Scal has contributed to an NBA team this season, and Antoine hasn't.  That should tell you something about how NBA GMs see Antoine's potential contribution.

I was an Antoine fan, and I'd rather see him here than POB, simply because I like Antoine better.  However, in terms of useful contributions, I'm not sure what Antoine has to offer.

Well, that argument works both ways.  Scal could have easily been cut in training camp and not been signed by any other team and we could be thinking the same things about him.  That said, I'd definitely have to have Antoine in for a workout to make sure he's at least in playing shape, but beyond that he's a no-brainer.  Scal would be a rotation-level player if he did one thing consistently--rebound.  He never has and that's why he's always been in and out of the lineup over the course of his career.  Antoine can rebound and he'd give us a legitimate small ball lineup.  

All this argument aside, I don't think Ainge is going to even think of signing Antoine unless there's a major injury in the front court.  So, Pargo remains the best, lowest cost option to improve the bench, assuming PJ doesn't want to come back.

Pargo just signed a contract with Oly a couple of weeks ago. They surely aren't releasing him from that contract and I'm fairly certain he's not interested in being released anyway.

Plus, I know you have some peculiar opinions on basketball players, but Pargo would be, IMO, a bad fit. He's another highly unreliable player, who can singlehandedly make you lose a playoffs game. Just ask the Hornets. House is a better version of Pargo. Pargo is more versatile, can create shots and plays better defence, but he's also more mistaken prone and he likes to play heroics. We already have Tony Allen as a player who isn't intelligent enough to understand his limitations. I guess you like that kind of players - to the point you guaranteed that we're better with Tony Allen than we would be with Posey (improved defence, better offence, etc.) - but I personally believe some reliability is a fundamental trait of winning basketball. Players who can be so extremely horrific as Tony Allen and Pargo are often dangerous to their own teams. Anyway, it doesn't matter: Pargo is not a FA and he won't be anytime soon.

TA has had an up-and-down year, spraining the ankle and coming back too soon and then spraining it again.  But he's back on the upswing.  The real problem with him is that he's playing with Eddie House at point guard.  A guy like Posey was better suited to play with Eddie House because you had to guard him on the perimeter.  But put a bad-dribbling, no passing short point guard together with a guy whose entire game is premised on getting to the rim...well, we know what happens, you just pressure House, back off TA, clog the lane, and the offense is gummed up.  No ball movement, bad possessions, and desperation shots as the shot clock is expiring.  TA is a better player than Posey, but put him with a bad point guard and his limitations are exposed.  TA's been the Cs best defender (not today perhaps) at least if you go by PER against.  And if you want to compare him head-to-head with Posey, remember that TA's got the better PER (13.02 to 12.77).  Not that you care about stats :)  And most importantly, TA came at a bargain rate and Posey didn't.  Never forget about the money component when comparing those two guys. We're severely cramped by what we can do by virtue of the salary of the big 3.

Similarly to TA, Eddie House's limitations are highlighted when you ask him to play point.  We really need Gabe back in the lineup or we need Cassell to start playing.  The TA/House backcourt is a bad mixture. 

Cordobes, you made a good point on Pargo, but I just assumed that if we really wanted him we could buy out his contract.  Admittedly, I'm not sure if that works under the salary cap. 

I'm also not sure how you can say House is better than Pargo.  Maybe it's just me, but I prefer players who can actually play their positions.  Pargo is an actual point guard, a better defender, dribbler, penetrator, and scorer.  House shoots 3s better, that's about it. Also, don't underrate Pargo's ability to come up big in the playoffs.  He's a big game player.  House is awesome at hitting 3s after the game's been decided....but throughout his career he's usually come up small in the big games.  But the worse thing about House is that you need to prop him up with a point guard (and a big point at that) to make him successful. 

Just to clarify definitely Pargo's issue, Olympiacos paid a bigger buyout for him just 15 days ago that the C's could pay them.

Also, people remember when Pargo comes up big in big games. It's a similar phenomenon to the "Kobe is clutch" myth. Anyway, I understand we value the skill-set of basketball players very differently as you don't care at all about reliability. Once again, the last thing we need is another who believes he's much better than he actually is and doesn't have the brains to understand his role.

Don't take it personally, but there's no point in arguing with you about Tony Allen, because you have an extremely radical opinion. Not only you think he's a better player than Posey, but you also believe he's a better defender than, say, KG - who's only one of the best defenders in the history of the game (probably the best p'n'r defender of all times, I think). I like to have conversations about basketball and basketball players, but some common ground is needed, otherwise things just don't make sense. You probably think Thibodeau is a hater because he called out TA on his defence recently... Just an explanation on why I won't bother to refute your POV.


(anyway, I'm amused that now Posey was a better fit next to House. A few months ago Tony Allen was the best one, as he could create his own shot and slash towards the rim, while Posey and House were both catch and shoot type of players..: I'm pretty sure Tony Allen shortcomings will never be of his own responsibility though)

It's funny that you prize reliability in one breath and then in the next one argue that Eddie House is better than Pargo.  Who's more unreliable than an undersized, bad dribbling 2 guard?  Eddie House is the king of unreliability because he does only ONE thing well, and he needs to play at a position he's physically unsuited for (2-guard) with a taller point guard to even be in a position to do that one thing.  You say Pargo's big performances in the playoffs somehow create a myth that he's a big game player but in reality he "believes he's much better than he actually is and doesn't have the brains to understand his role."  So, what exactly does Eddie House's resume of sub-par playoff performances show?  That he's smart enough to understand his role?  Pargo has been in the playoffs and is a proven playoff performer with at least 3 different teams.  House?  I'm not sure he's ever had a good playoff run in any year he's been in the playoffs.  He played a vital role in the game 4 comeback, but otherwise he's been a perennial no-show throughout his entire career.  And yet you call Pargo unreliable?  I suppose House has been 'reliable' in one sense; reliably bad in the playoffs. 

So, while you prize reliability, which you seem to extend magically to the players you 'like,' I prize the ability to play one's natural position.  I like point guard-sized players who can play point guard and not kill the ball movement of the entire team.  I prize shooting-guard-sized players who can guard their position. 

As for TA's defense, he is one of the best individual defenders on the Cs, right up there with KG, Rondo, and Paul.  His overall focus issue does get in the way of him reaching his potential, and a good example of that would be the SA game where he was a half-step late on at least 3 steal attempts and got caught on a back door cut as well.  So, if Thibs called him out, it was probably because he hasn't been playing to his full potential on the defensive end.  I'd never argue he's playing at his potential right now.  But what I would argue that even at less than his potential he's one of the best individual defenders on the team.

As for Posey, yes, he was a better fit--marginally--with Eddie House because you had to guard Pose on the perimeter and you couldn't just pack it into the lane.  But with TA and House in the backcourt, you just pressure House and back off TA and the offense stagnates. 

But my overall point was valid and still stands.  We relied way too heavily on our jump shooting last season on the 2nd unit...if House or Pose weren't hitting, we weren't scoring.  To be a more efficient offense, I argued it was a good idea to replace Posey (if we couldn't get him back at a reasonable contract) with a combo of Powe and TA because they'd take easier, higher percentage shots and get to the line more.  What I didn't appreciate at that point was the fact that we really needed a point guard to run that offense.  You can get away with a non-point guard running your offense if all your offense is from the perimeter.  But if you're trying to get post ups and penetrations to the rim, you need more ball movement and unfortunately Eddie House fails in the roll of ball movement facilitator.  That's why, going forward, we should have either Gabe or Sam playing point, with TA/House filling in at 2 guard depending on matchups and who's got the hot hand.  The lack of a real point guard is what is killing the second unit.  Eddie House's rise in 'reliability' wasn't a function of TA being out, it was a function of playing with a better point guard.  Imagine the effect it would have on TA's game if had the same luxury.

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Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2009, 03:18:58 PM »

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Our bench is really short and there are some roster spots that are not being used:

1. Cassell. I wonder why we cut Miles and gave his spot to Sam. If he was not going to play (at least until the All Star) why didn't we just not resign him and try Miles in the meantime? I know Sam has little left, but he should have played already. Otherwise it's a useless roster spot

2. Giddens. I understand that he may be a project with much work to do, but 0 minutes and 0 chances seem to indicate that there is a problem here. If the kid is not good for this team, then why did we select him? We could have traded his rights to another team, for example. Another useless roster spot

3. O'Bryant. Cut this guy please. We could sign anybody that could play more minutes. It is clear that he will not or at least shouldn't be on the playoff roster and he gets very little time on court. Another mistake.

4. Pruitt's role is really intriguing. Some times he plays and makes the offense go better, some other times he is ignored. What's the story with Gabe?


We have 4 roster spots that have 0 value right now. We need a PG and Pruitt gets no playing time, we need a wing and Giddens is in the NBDL (while Walker sits on the bench), we need a big and O'Bryant adds nothing to this team. Either we cut them, trade them or do something!

In the meantime House tries to be a PG, Davis plays as center (!!!) and Allen is lost out there trying to be Posey. We were lucky that Scal really played much better than expected this year, he is the only reason that the bench hasn't been killed more times.

As the topic thread says, Ainge needs to act. It is not a major change, but this team really needs a little change, some pieces to add and some others to drop. The 9-10 core is good, but a championship team needs more.

I agree with the sentiment of your post.  Without becoming the Yankee's of the NBA, I think this is what you can expect when you have 3 max deals on the roster.  You have to fill out the 15 man with rookie and vet-min contracts.  It's just the math of the situation.

That said, I do disagree with your first point.

Look at Lindsey Hunter's contribution last year.  He excelled in the playoffs after sitting out the entire regular season.  As a matter of fact, I think its an advantage to us to keep a vet like Sam on the bench all year and have that fresh body come playoff time.

Just because you haven't seen him play this year, doesn't mean he is washed up.  He will play and play well come playoff time. 

The other thing that drives me crazy about the 'cut Sam' posts is that people seem to take for granted how hard Rajon is going every night.  For as many tough shots and hard falls as he takes every night you have to expect an injury to occur sooner or later.  Enter Sam Cassell.

When you have a pg who plays like Rondo does, you have to have PG Insurance if you really plan to make a title run.  That is what Sam is.  He will be ready if RR gets hurt, and if not, he won't play until the playoffs start --- when we will have the advantage of a fresh set of legs going up against weary foes.

Anyone else on your list should get cut before Sam does.  We will need him down the stretch.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2009, 03:22:50 PM »

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the reality of the situation is that DA's only likely move is to watch the waiver wire and pick up a veteran big that gets cut and then free up Sam's spot to sign him. 

We're going to finish out the season and title run with what we have.





I think that is accurate, with the caveat that I don't see any veteran bigs being waived.  And even if that happens, would you really be excited to add someone like Jake Voshkul?  Would a player of that caliber put them over the top?

The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

We may end up with basically the same roster, but it is not going to be for lack of trying.

If Wyc would come on TV and flat out say that CLE has clearly gotten better, that we have holes that needed to be filled and that he expects this to not be the lineup that we go into the playoffs with after that first bad stretch, how do you think he feels after losing two home games to the teams we could face in a theoretical Finals.
Exactly what I meant -- we'll have the same roster but not for a lack of effort to upgrade it.  There's only so much that can be done with what we have for options.

If we`d only still have Posey.

We could trade him for a big man.
Or a long, defensive minded SF who can hit the open shot. Oh, wait...

(Sorry, I couldn“t resist)
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Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2009, 03:30:17 PM »

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the reality of the situation is that DA's only likely move is to watch the waiver wire and pick up a veteran big that gets cut and then free up Sam's spot to sign him. 

We're going to finish out the season and title run with what we have.





I think that is accurate, with the caveat that I don't see any veteran bigs being waived.  And even if that happens, would you really be excited to add someone like Jake Voshkul?  Would a player of that caliber put them over the top?

The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

We may end up with basically the same roster, but it is not going to be for lack of trying.

If Wyc would come on TV and flat out say that CLE has clearly gotten better, that we have holes that needed to be filled and that he expects this to not be the lineup that we go into the playoffs with after that first bad stretch, how do you think he feels after losing two home games to the teams we could face in a theoretical Finals.
Exactly what I meant -- we'll have the same roster but not for a lack of effort to upgrade it.  There's only so much that can be done with what we have for options.

If we`d only still have Posey.

We could trade him for a big man.
Or a long, defensive minded SF who can hit the open shot. Oh, wait...

(Sorry, I couldn“t resist)
not sure where you're going with this but having Posey would help.  Can't blame him for taking the $ to go to NO but he was overpaid to do it. 

Doesn't excuse DA for not getting someone else to come in that could contribute.  Seems DA has relied too much on getting vets to come to Boston on the cheap for a title shot.  Isn't working for him.  This year's roster is probably fairly set for the playoffs.  Hopefully DA can make some upgrades for next year with the variety of expiring deals he'll have on the roster.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #85 on: February 09, 2009, 03:37:21 PM »

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Wasn't OKC interested in bringing in Tony Allen who was a college star there?

Apparently Tony has a following in that city... what about packaging Tony and Scal for Joe Smith? I just don't see why the Thunder would need to waive Smith, why not trade him for two veteran players with championship rings and short contracts?

1. Acquire Smith
2. Sign Wells
3. Sign Marbury/Activate Cassell


Hey, why not. Apparently his Chinese contract came to a hault a week or so ago.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/olympicsNews/idUKSP40345120090202

If Boston is serious about Marbury, why not go after this wacky dude instead?

Wells would bring a lot to the backup 2/3.

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« Reply #86 on: February 09, 2009, 03:41:02 PM »

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not sure where you're going with this but having Posey would help.  Can't blame him for taking the $ to go to NO but he was overpaid to do it. 

Doesn't excuse DA for not getting someone else to come in that could contribute.  Seems DA has relied too much on getting vets to come to Boston on the cheap for a title shot.  Isn't working for him.  This year's roster is probably fairly set for the playoffs.  Hopefully DA can make some upgrades for next year with the variety of expiring deals he'll have on the roster.

Ainge made a serious run at Corey Maggette. who knows who else he went after. I think Danny and ownership are ready to spend the MLE, if it is for the right amount of talent for the right amount of years (based on what the player has left). I have a gut feeling that they are going to go hard after a couple guys this summer with the MLE.

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« Reply #87 on: February 09, 2009, 03:53:09 PM »

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not sure where you're going with this but having Posey would help.  Can't blame him for taking the $ to go to NO but he was overpaid to do it. 

Doesn't excuse DA for not getting someone else to come in that could contribute.  Seems DA has relied too much on getting vets to come to Boston on the cheap for a title shot.  Isn't working for him.  This year's roster is probably fairly set for the playoffs.  Hopefully DA can make some upgrades for next year with the variety of expiring deals he'll have on the roster.

Ainge made a serious run at Corey Maggette. who knows who else he went after. I think Danny and ownership are ready to spend the MLE, if it is for the right amount of talent for the right amount of years (based on what the player has left). I have a gut feeling that they are going to go hard after a couple guys this summer with the MLE.

I agree that they will likely throw the MLE out there to players who are clearly worth it or more (guys like Sheed, maybe AI, Kidd, etc.).  I think Danny will really hesitate on signing anyone for the MLE for more than 1-2 years max though, unless they are a clear bargain, and still in their prime. 

In addition to the whole cap space as the Big 3 come off the books, I think Danny is also (much like a lot of GMs and players) waiting to see what happens with the CBA in 2010 before committing too much salary past that on guys who are not true game changers. 

My guess is Danny will try to sell to these players that there are a bunch of teams with cap space in 2010...much more than in 2009, and that it may be worth it for certain players to play for 1 year at the MLE, in order to be a FA again the next summer, and try to cash in, after chasing a title with the C's.  This is what he tried to sell Maggette on, and it probably would have worked for the C's or Spurs (who did the same thing), if Golden State didn't get desperate.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #88 on: February 09, 2009, 04:06:57 PM »

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Wells is a better all around player than Posey and would be a good signing. He can create his own shot and sometimes shots for others. He has a good handle and would be a good anchor for the second unit. He can play 3 positions like posey and is very strong. He's kinda Pierce light.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #89 on: February 09, 2009, 04:24:55 PM »

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Wells is a better all around player than Posey and would be a good signing. He can create his own shot and sometimes shots for others. He has a good handle and would be a good anchor for the second unit. He can play 3 positions like posey and is very strong. He's kinda Pierce light.

Wells WAS a better all around player than Posey.  His game has dropped off substantially in the last few years.  If we were talking about Wells of 4-5 years ago, he would already be signed and playing in the NBA, but we are not. 

He still may be able to play, but it is tough to know for sure based on the evidence we have.