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Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2009, 04:32:16 PM »

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I think we all agree that Danny needs to act, and *most* of us agree that the front office dropped the ball in the off-season.

The question now is, what do we do about it?  I'm fairly discouraged at this point, because I don't see a lot of trade options or other possibilities.  I'd love to add Joe Smith, but he says he doesn't want to be bought out.  Starbury is a potential team-killer, but even if the team wants him, there's no guarantee that he is waived by March 1 (the date he needs to be waived to be playoff eligible).  So, what's the answer?

we're working in two different threads here, but Scal, JR and a pick could also get us Joe Smith.

then Scal takes a buyout like McDyess did in the DEN deal.

I dont think Scal could come back if we traded him away.  If we trade Scal today and he asks for a buyout, he'd have to wait 30 days until he could resign with us, by the time he could come back it would be past the March 1st deadline for playoff rosters.

If he was bought out before March 1, he could sign with another team prior to the playoffs.

However, I don't see much motivation for OKC in that trade.  Why take salary back in a trade for an expiring contract?

He couldnt resign with us though Roy, which is what I think the previous poster was getting at, he'd have to wait 30 days, which would put him past March 1st.  But yeah he could sign with another playoff team if bought out before March 1st
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Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2009, 04:37:52 PM »

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I think we all agree that Danny needs to act, and *most* of us agree that the front office dropped the ball in the off-season.

The question now is, what do we do about it?  I'm fairly discouraged at this point, because I don't see a lot of trade options or other possibilities.  I'd love to add Joe Smith, but he says he doesn't want to be bought out.  Starbury is a potential team-killer, but even if the team wants him, there's no guarantee that he is waived by March 1 (the date he needs to be waived to be playoff eligible).  So, what's the answer?

we're working in two different threads here, but Scal, JR and a pick could also get us Joe Smith.

then Scal takes a buyout like McDyess did in the DEN deal.

I dont think Scal could come back if we traded him away.  If we trade Scal today and he asks for a buyout, he'd have to wait 30 days until he could resign with us, by the time he could come back it would be past the March 1st deadline for playoff rosters.

If he was bought out before March 1, he could sign with another team prior to the playoffs.

However, I don't see much motivation for OKC in that trade.  Why take salary back in a trade for an expiring contract?

He couldnt resign with us though Roy, which is what I think the previous poster was getting at, he'd have to wait 30 days, which would put him past March 1st.  But yeah he could sign with another playoff team if bought out before March 1st

Why not?  So long as Scal is bought out prior to March 1, he can resign with the Celts any time prior to the end of the regular season.  If traded, he'd have to wait 30 days, but that 30 days would expire before the playoffs began.

Last season, a lot of the media reported that a player needs to be signed with a team prior to March 1 to join that team for the playoffs.  That's not true:  the player simply needs to be bought out by his original prior to March 1.  He then can sign with his new team at any point prior to the end of the regular season.

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Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2009, 04:41:18 PM »

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if they were willing to pick up salary i think we can make deals, maybe we can target the suns, barbosa is not a bad player, he has a fairly large deal, and the suns might be tempted to trade him in a deal where they would dump salary. Imagine a deal where we would package let's say scal + tony + cassell + byrant we can pick up barbosa and say grant hill. They would save $1 million this year, and more in the future. Something like that, we need to use the 125% provision where they the other team saves $$$. Another deal could be house + scal + pruitt for barbosa / g hill .

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2009, 04:45:09 PM »

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this team will not win another title with the way the roster is. why do most other squads actually use the guys they draft yet boston refuses. cavs play hickson....spurs play hill...magic courtney lee....boston doesnt even give their rooks a sniff.....the bench is not good enough to get boston out of the east...they need another point and another rugged big with length....if you gotta trade scal, baby, tony allen, do it

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2009, 04:45:17 PM »

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in a deal with the sonics whatever they're called, where we would trade scal for smith, i always assumed that we would forward $3 million dollars so that scal could be bought out. Doing this would actually save wyc money cos of the luxury tax, although it would eat away at the sonics/barons/thunder salary cap room next year.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2009, 04:48:07 PM »

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wyc said he was all in favor of doing what it takes to add to this team...danny needs to not count on marbury nor PJ brown....there isn't going be a lot of guys cut where they can pick them up...he is going to have to make a move...cavs are pushing to get vince carter...boston needs to do something

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2009, 04:48:16 PM »

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As for Delfino, isn't he under contract in Russia?  I don't think he'd have much incentive to come back for the money that we could offer him.

I think he would. His team would release him and he wants to get out of there. What I could see happening is Colangelo matching our offer.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2009, 04:49:46 PM »

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btw joe smith saying he doesn't wanna be bought out, might just him trying to exhibit a shred of dignity and class, i'm sure he welcome an opportunity at getting a ring.

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2009, 04:50:08 PM »

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As for Delfino, isn't he under contract in Russia?  I don't think he'd have much incentive to come back for the money that we could offer him.

I think he would. His team would release him and he wants to get out of there. What I could see happening is Colangelo matching our offer.

Yeah, regardless of why, I don't think our $2.3 million could get it done.

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Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2009, 04:52:20 PM »

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well i think we all agree if this roster stands pat then boston is in real trouble come playoff time

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2009, 04:53:23 PM »

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After the laker game, I can firmly say that

this celtics team, they way its built right now

cannot, and will not win a championship.

a whole lotta folks mad similar statements last year...how were those apples?
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Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2009, 04:54:25 PM »

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last year we beat the spurs and the lakers

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2009, 04:59:09 PM »

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last year boston swept the spurs, lakers and split with the cavs....right now they are 1-4 vs the teams that can get to the finals.....2 straight losses at home and they have struggled against those other contenders....poor defense over the last 8 games and the have lost 2 of those...the bench is either hot or ice cold...not consistent. this boston team as it is can't win the title. they don't have a legit point off the bench nor do they have any length....not trying to be a neg. poster but i just don't see it.....and now kobe gets the flu....seems we can only help the cavs with p--- poor loses and getting the best player they will see at home the flu...

Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2009, 05:25:33 PM »

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last year boston swept the spurs, lakers and split with the cavs....right now they are 1-4 vs the teams that can get to the finals.....2 straight losses at home and they have struggled against those other contenders....poor defense over the last 8 games and the have lost 2 of those...the bench is either hot or ice cold...not consistent. this boston team as it is can't win the title. they don't have a legit point off the bench nor do they have any length....not trying to be a neg. poster but i just don't see it.....and now kobe gets the flu....seems we can only help the cavs with **** poor loses and getting the best player they will see at home the flu...

words like can't should be used very carefully - though you do qualify it with if the c's don't make a move, but still - this team has had two ridiculously long winning streaks this season, and yes in the regular season they lost to some very good teams, but they've also beat some very good teams - remember last year when everyone was about to give up on the c's after dropping the games in Atlanta in the playoffs, and look at what happened.  In a narrow perspective, this season looks bad, if we look at essentially 3 or 4 games, but look at the big picture - the celtics are a contender regardless, and until someone uncrowns them, we shouldn't say they can't win the title...imho
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Re: AInge needs to Act
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2009, 05:27:35 PM »

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There's a lot of panicked posters on this thread, which is understandable given this little 2 losses in 3 games stretch.  But if you look at those games, we played well below our ability and still were a few plays/calls/bounces away from winning both.  If we had got those bounces, would this thread even exist?  I think not.  So, a little perspective is in order.

That said, the bench's lack of consistency remains a problem.  Unfortunately, I don't think we have any tradeable assets to improve ourselves with....the only deal we can make at this point is a lateral move.  Personally, I'd just roll with the guys we have and see how it plays out instead of trading for similarly limited players and hope they both play above their ability and integrate themselves into the team relatively quickly.  The safer bet is just to stand pat on the trade front.

Going forward, then, I'd like to see us put a major push on PJ Brown.  If that's a no-go, I think Jannero Pargo would be a huge upgrade in the backcourt.  He's basically a taller, better defending Eddie House, who can penetrate and score and run the offense as well.  We could just cut Cassell, buy out Pargo's contract and we're set.  Another thing to remember with Pargo is that he is a proven playoff performer.  He's averaged 10 points a game in his last two playoff runs, usually only playing 15-20 minutes a night.  Bring Pargo in and that also allows you to platoon Eddie and TA, which would be a nice option to have as well. 

If no Pargo, I think option #3 is Antoine Walker.  He'd provide veteran leadership, outside shooting, and give this team the ability to play small ball from time to time.  He's better than Scal in EVERY respect and as we've seen in the last 2 weeks, we've really missed the little that Scal does provide.  Imagine if we replaced that with someone who was better than Scal and had that Championship experience?  Walker is a fine #3 option if we can't find anything better.
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