The disdain towards Giddens.........

[lantinm]

on here is just ridiculous, imo.  I see negative comments made about his character all of the time, and most make these comments based on his college career.  Why doesn't anyone mention what a class act this kid has been since he got here?  Or, why isn't there mention of the recent Globe article which mentions how he's trying to take care of his ailing mother from afar?  Doc also went out of his way to mention how hard Giddens has worked and what a good kid he is.  So, can we please give the kid the benefit of the doubt?


In addition to the aforementioned, I think a lot of people on here undervalue Giddens' game.  I see him tossed into these god-awful trade proposals on here all of the time, and it's just laughable.  Danny knows this kid has great talent, that he plays both ends of the floor, and that he's only going to get better with experience.  J.R. has an all-around game -- he can get his own shot, is an incredible rebounder for his size, can block shots, and is a decent mid-range shooter.  He's basically a taller Tony Allen, who's more under control and who can shoot.  So, I ask - why all of the hate for J.R.?  Is it because of his past?  The fact that he struggled in the preseason?  Or, is it because he's still an unknown and most of you can't get a gauge on his game?

[KCattheStripe]

on here is just ridiculous, imo.  I see negative comments made about his character all of the time, and most make these comments based on his college career.  Why doesn't anyone mention what a class act this kid has been since he got here?  Or, why isn't there mention of the recent Globe article which mentions how he's trying to take care of his ailing mother from afar?  Doc also went out of his way to mention how hard Giddens has worked and what a good kid he is.  So, can we please give the kid the benefit of the doubt?


In addition to the aforementioned, I think a lot of people on here undervalue Giddens' game.  I see him tossed into these god-awful trade proposals on here all of the time, and it's just laughable.  Danny knows this kid has great talent, that he plays both ends of the floor, and that he's only going to get better with experience.  J.R. has an all-around game -- he can get his own shot, is an incredible rebounder for his size, can block shots, and is a decent mid-range shooter.  He's basically a taller Tony Allen, who's more under control and who can shoot.  So, I ask - why all of the hate for J.R.?  Is it because of his past?  The fact that he struggled in the preseason?  Or, is it because he's still an unknown and most of you can't get a gauge on his game?

Celtics blog is a very, "What have you done for me EVER" kind of community.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Most of the people that start hating on players do so from baseless assumption and misleading information. Very few people here seem to care about facts.

[lantinm]

on here is just ridiculous, imo.  I see negative comments made about his character all of the time, and most make these comments based on his college career.  Why doesn't anyone mention what a class act this kid has been since he got here?  Or, why isn't there mention of the recent Globe article which mentions how he's trying to take care of his ailing mother from afar?  Doc also went out of his way to mention how hard Giddens has worked and what a good kid he is.  So, can we please give the kid the benefit of the doubt?


In addition to the aforementioned, I think a lot of people on here undervalue Giddens' game.  I see him tossed into these god-awful trade proposals on here all of the time, and it's just laughable.  Danny knows this kid has great talent, that he plays both ends of the floor, and that he's only going to get better with experience.  J.R. has an all-around game -- he can get his own shot, is an incredible rebounder for his size, can block shots, and is a decent mid-range shooter.  He's basically a taller Tony Allen, who's more under control and who can shoot.  So, I ask - why all of the hate for J.R.?  Is it because of his past?  The fact that he struggled in the preseason?  Or, is it because he's still an unknown and most of you can't get a gauge on his game?

Celtics blog is a very, "What have you done for me EVER" kind of community.

[Edgar]

on here is just ridiculous, imo.  I see negative comments made about his character all of the time, and most make these comments based on his college career.  Why doesn't anyone mention what a class act this kid has been since he got here?  Or, why isn't there mention of the recent Globe article which mentions how he's trying to take care of his ailing mother from afar?  Doc also went out of his way to mention how hard Giddens has worked and what a good kid he is.  So, can we please give the kid the benefit of the doubt?


In addition to the aforementioned, I think a lot of people on here undervalue Giddens' game.  I see him tossed into these god-awful trade proposals on here all of the time, and it's just laughable.  Danny knows this kid has great talent, that he plays both ends of the floor, and that he's only going to get better with experience.  J.R. has an all-around game -- he can get his own shot, is an incredible rebounder for his size, can block shots, and is a decent mid-range shooter.  He's basically a taller Tony Allen, who's more under control and who can shoot.  So, I ask - why all of the hate for J.R.?  Is it because of his past?  The fact that he struggled in the preseason?  Or, is it because he's still an unknown and most of you can't get a gauge on his game?

Celtics blog is a very, "What have you done for me EVER" kind of community.

Yeah, I've noticed that.  I guess it's why I "lurk" more often than I post. 

yes but its also a play one game, score a basket for me , and youre my new hero
kind of place.
ask GG if u have any doubt about it

[ssspence]

it comes from:

a) the fact he won't be contributing to the team anytime soon;

b) that he was taken ahead of walker, a more talented player;

c) that we could have head more interesting prospects with his pick, especially considering the fact that -- we then drafted walker.

i don't see anything vindictive on here -- nothing like Fatty O'Bryant. he seems like a good kid to me. it's only natural to want something more out of his roster spot.

[lantinm]

Very true, Edgar.  I created my post mainly because I just think the kid deserves a fair shake.  I've seen him play on TV about 10 times (both college and D-League) and he's always impressed me.  I really think he could help our second unit right now, even if he only got 8-10 minutes a game.

[KCattheStripe]

on here is just ridiculous, imo.  I see negative comments made about his character all of the time, and most make these comments based on his college career.  Why doesn't anyone mention what a class act this kid has been since he got here?  Or, why isn't there mention of the recent Globe article which mentions how he's trying to take care of his ailing mother from afar?  Doc also went out of his way to mention how hard Giddens has worked and what a good kid he is.  So, can we please give the kid the benefit of the doubt?


In addition to the aforementioned, I think a lot of people on here undervalue Giddens' game.  I see him tossed into these god-awful trade proposals on here all of the time, and it's just laughable.  Danny knows this kid has great talent, that he plays both ends of the floor, and that he's only going to get better with experience.  J.R. has an all-around game -- he can get his own shot, is an incredible rebounder for his size, can block shots, and is a decent mid-range shooter.  He's basically a taller Tony Allen, who's more under control and who can shoot.  So, I ask - why all of the hate for J.R.?  Is it because of his past?  The fact that he struggled in the preseason?  Or, is it because he's still an unknown and most of you can't get a gauge on his game?

Celtics blog is a very, "What have you done for me EVER" kind of community.

Yeah, I've noticed that.  I guess it's why I "lurk" more often than I post. 

yes but its also a play one game, score a basket for me , and youre my new hero
kind of place.
ask GG if u have any doubt about it

But EDGAR! He blew out a cupcake. A CUPCAKE!

[LarBrd33]

 I just don't like the cut of that kid's jib.

[KCattheStripe]

I just don't like the cut of that kid's jib.

He's a dirty Jib Cutter.

[Chris]

I am not really seeing any disdain for him.  I am just seeing people realizing that he is not likely to help out the C's win a championship this year.

The fact is, he is the team's 13-15 man, and has been passed on the depth chart by Walker...who has just as much upside (if not more), and is showing better at the moment.  Do you expect people to be singing his praises?

[lantinm]

it comes from:

a) the fact he won't be contributing to the team anytime soon;

b) that he was taken ahead of walker, a more talented player;

c) that we could have head more interesting prospects with his pick, especially considering the fact that -- we then drafted walker.

i don't see anything vindictive on here -- nothing like Fatty O'Bryant. he seems like a good kid to me. it's only natural to want something more out of his roster spot.

A- I can't blame him too much for not being able to crack the rotay.  Doc rarely plays rookies, and rookies generally don't play much on championship caliber teams.

B- I love Walker's game, but to say that he's more talented than J.R. isn't completely accurate.  Granted, Walker slipped in the draft because of his knees, but they put up very similar stats in the D-League, and Giddens' is currently a better defender.

C- Who were the more interesting prospects - Chalmers, Jordan?  Chalmers would be riding the pine here, and Jordan would be in the D-League if we would have drafted him.

D- The stuff with POB I can kind of understand. because the coaches and players have questioned his motor and heart, which in turn gives the fans a license to flame away.

[ssspence]

it comes from:

a) the fact he won't be contributing to the team anytime soon;

b) that he was taken ahead of walker, a more talented player;

c) that we could have head more interesting prospects with his pick, especially considering the fact that -- we then drafted walker.

i don't see anything vindictive on here -- nothing like Fatty O'Bryant. he seems like a good kid to me. it's only natural to want something more out of his roster spot.

A- I can't blame him too much for not being able to crack the rotay.  Doc rarely plays rookies, and rookies generally don't play much on championship caliber teams.

B- I love Walker's game, but to say that he's more talented than J.R. isn't completely accurate.  Granted, Walker slipped in the draft because of his knees, but they put up very similar stats in the D-League, and Giddens' is currently a better defender.

C- Who were the more interesting prospects - Chalmers, Jordan?  Chalmers would be riding the pine here, and Jordan would be in the D-League if we would have drafted him.

D- The stuff with POB I can kind of understand. because the coaches and players have questioned his motor and heart, which in turn gives the fans a license to flame away.

good times. all fine points, but i don't have disdain for him. i'd just rather have a number of guys who went in the 2nd round instead, and would be happy to see him trade for a player to help us win now.

[BudweiserCeltic]

it comes from:

a) the fact he won't be contributing to the team anytime soon;

Pruitt last year, and now they love him.

b) that he was taken ahead of walker, a more talented player;

This is really irrelevant, it ignores what would've been the optimal path. You can argue that you might've wanted someone else instead of Giddens, but drafting Walker in the first round would've been a mistake if he could've had him in the second round (which he did).

c) that we could have head more interesting prospects with his pick, especially considering the fact that -- we then drafted walker.

This makes a bit of more sense, but considering that most wanted CDR, who hasn't shown much to me, even though he should have a better opportunity with a lesser team. I know some wanted Chalmers, but that's something else entirely... Danny had to weight some other factors, and improving the wing positions seemed to be his priority, which I agree.

i don't see anything vindictive on here -- nothing like Fatty O'Bryant. he seems like a good kid to me. it's only natural to want something more out of his roster spot.

He's taking a roster spot, not the roster spot, he's a project with a ton of potential. I'd rather keep him and trade away a rotational player whose role will be diminished with the inclusion of a better player. That, to me, involves moving Pruitt, Leon, and/or POB (since the concern is improving the PG and PF/C positions).

I really don't care about moving projects from our 14-15th roster spot, those are occupied by the players that are supposed to occupy them... talented projects. Should they be used to in order to make deals work to improve said positions? Sure, but giving them away like some propose here is complete nonesense as far as I'm concerned. The problem is not who's occupying those 2 roster spots, it's with whom they have occupying the 1-12 roster spots (though I'm quite content with the team we have).

[Chris]

A- I can't blame him too much for not being able to crack the rotay.  Doc rarely plays rookies, and rookies generally don't play much on championship caliber teams.

B- I love Walker's game, but to say that he's more talented than J.R. isn't completely accurate.  Granted, Walker slipped in the draft because of his knees, but they put up very similar stats in the D-League, and Giddens' is currently a better defender.

C- Who were the more interesting prospects - Chalmers, Jordan?  Chalmers would be riding the pine here, and Jordan would be in the D-League if we would have drafted him.

D- The stuff with POB I can kind of understand. because the coaches and players have questioned his motor and heart, which in turn gives the fans a license to flame away.

A- Doc not playing rookies has nothing to do with Giddens not playing.  He looked as lost as POB in the preseason, so he clearly had a long way to go to make it into the rotation.

B- Fair enough.  But again, its all about playing within the system.  We don't know what is going on in practice, but I think we can all agree that D-league numbers have absolutely nothing to do with a players ability to play within the team system in the NBA.  Anyone who watched any of the Flash's games saw that it was not a team game, they played as 5 individuals out there.  I think Walker and Giddens have similar talent...it is all about focus now, and learning the system.  Walker has just been ahead on that for whatever reason.

C- Now this I agree with.  I don't think Chalmers is significantly better than Pruitt.  He wouldn't have been doing much for this team.  And Jordan is basically just POB, but would have been on a worse contract.