The disdain towards Giddens.........

[lantinm]

A- I can't blame him too much for not being able to crack the rotay.  Doc rarely plays rookies, and rookies generally don't play much on championship caliber teams.

B- I love Walker's game, but to say that he's more talented than J.R. isn't completely accurate.  Granted, Walker slipped in the draft because of his knees, but they put up very similar stats in the D-League, and Giddens' is currently a better defender.

C- Who were the more interesting prospects - Chalmers, Jordan?  Chalmers would be riding the pine here, and Jordan would be in the D-League if we would have drafted him.

D- The stuff with POB I can kind of understand. because the coaches and players have questioned his motor and heart, which in turn gives the fans a license to flame away.

A- Doc not playing rookies has nothing to do with Giddens not playing.  He looked as lost as POB in the preseason, so he clearly had a long way to go to make it into the rotation.

B- Fair enough.  But again, its all about playing within the system.  We don't know what is going on in practice, but I think we can all agree that D-league numbers have absolutely nothing to do with a players ability to play within the team system in the NBA.  Anyone who watched any of the Flash's games saw that it was not a team game, they played as 5 individuals out there.  I think Walker and Giddens have similar talent...it is all about focus now, and learning the system.  Walker has just been ahead on that for whatever reason.

C- Now this I agree with.  I don't think Chalmers is significantly better than Pruitt.  He wouldn't have been doing much for this team.  And Jordan is basically just POB, but would have been on a worse contract.

A) I think the main reason Giddens' is not playing, is because Ray and Tony occupy all of the 2-Guard minutes.  They are both proven veterans who know the system and what's expected of them. Granted, Giddens may not know all of the plays or the defensive rotations yet, but what rookies truly grasp all of that in their first season?

B) I agree that D-League #'s are somewhat meaningless -- I just referred to them to kinda show that they were equal in going against the same type of competition.  I think Walker is mainly seeing more time than JR right now, because he showed what he was about from Day 1 (in not backing down from KG) and trying to dunk on everyone in practice. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

Giddens is not playing because there's is a logjam at his position at the moment. It's as simple as that. For all the positive people are seeing in Walker, he's not seeing the floor either so you really can't put much on the decision of Doc not playing them.

[Chris]

A) I think the main reason Giddens' is not playing, is because Ray and Tony occupy all of the 2-Guard minutes.  They are both proven veterans who know the system and what's expected of them. Granted, Giddens may not know all of the plays or the defensive rotations yet, but what rookies truly grasp all of that in their first season?

B) I agree that D-League #'s are somewhat meaningless -- I just referred to them to kinda show that they were equal in going against the same type of competition.  I think Walker is mainly seeing more time than JR right now, because he showed what he was about from Day 1 (in not backing down from KG) and trying to dunk on everyone in practice. 

Agreed on A.  Although I think Giddens is also behind Pruitt and Walker as well, as they both could play SG.

On B, I think Walker did show what he was about from Day 1...but I don't think Doc cared about him not backing down from KG, or dunking on anyone...I think it had much more to do with him picking up on the defensive and offensive sets much quicker.  And even though he was ahead of him, Walker is still a little lost out there, as is Pruitt, and even Powe at times.  It just shows how hard it can be for young guys to come into a team with such a complicated system and pick it up.

[moiso]

on here is just ridiculous, imo.  I see negative comments made about his character all of the time, and most make these comments based on his college career.  Why doesn't anyone mention what a class act this kid has been since he got here?  Or, why isn't there mention of the recent Globe article which mentions how he's trying to take care of his ailing mother from afar?  Doc also went out of his way to mention how hard Giddens has worked and what a good kid he is.  So, can we please give the kid the benefit of the doubt?


In addition to the aforementioned, I think a lot of people on here undervalue Giddens' game.  I see him tossed into these god-awful trade proposals on here all of the time, and it's just laughable.  Danny knows this kid has great talent, that he plays both ends of the floor, and that he's only going to get better with experience.  J.R. has an all-around game -- he can get his own shot, is an incredible rebounder for his size, can block shots, and is a decent mid-range shooter.  He's basically a taller Tony Allen, who's more under control and who can shoot.  So, I ask - why all of the hate for J.R.?  Is it because of his past?  The fact that he struggled in the preseason?  Or, is it because he's still an unknown and most of you can't get a gauge on his game?

He's not taller than TA and he appears to be even more wild at this point due to his lack of playing time and nerves.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm pretty sure he's an inch taller, and a longer wingspan.

[2short]

Giddens is not playing because there's is a logjam at his position at the moment. It's as simple as that. For all the positive people are seeing in Walker, he's not seeing the floor either so you really can't put much on the decision of Doc not playing them.

the simple truth is above in the quote
if tony was traded I think Giddens would get a few minutes here and there, walker we need for some sf minutes
sg-ray allen, pp, house, ta, pruitt...am i forgetting anyone

[ScoobyDoo]

Chris, great way to view the Jordan/Giddens/Chalmers/POB questions. I was one who really wanted Jordan at that pick, thought he and Perk might have been good together 2-3 years down the road and that Jordan could have taken the time with Cliff given we had KG and Perk... Hard to pass on an athletic 7 footer...

Was suprised to see Giddens pick. I'm waiting on Giddens, mostly because I havent' seen him play a lick of backetball yet. Usually you cna tell if someone "should" get there when you watch them a little.

Anyway, saying POB is basically Jordan with a much better contract is a smart way to see it. Tommy point.

Reason is, maybe Ainge felt he need a young project back up for Perkins, didn't need to be a stud, just a decent back up, which POB may well turn into. Meanwhile, he also needed a good, solid backup for Ray who "can shoot". These are both pressing needs for the Celts...You can't do both with one pick...

Sign POB instead of taking Jordan. Take Giddens with the 30th...

Could be exactly what happened, the throught process...for Ainge.

meanwhile, we luck into Walker as a nice young back up for Pierce...

Not too bad.

    

[KCattheStripe]

Was suprised to see Giddens pick. I'm waiting on Giddens, mostly because I havent' seen him play a lick of backetball yet. Usually you cna tell if someone "should" get there when you watch them a little.

    

Quoted for truth.

[jpd985]

Giddens maybe being groomed to take over for TA

[ManUp]

on here is just ridiculous, imo.  I see negative comments made about his character all of the time, and most make these comments based on his college career.  Why doesn't anyone mention what a class act this kid has been since he got here?  Or, why isn't there mention of the recent Globe article which mentions how he's trying to take care of his ailing mother from afar?  Doc also went out of his way to mention how hard Giddens has worked and what a good kid he is.  So, can we please give the kid the benefit of the doubt?


In addition to the aforementioned, I think a lot of people on here undervalue Giddens' game.  I see him tossed into these god-awful trade proposals on here all of the time, and it's just laughable.  Danny knows this kid has great talent, that he plays both ends of the floor, and that he's only going to get better with experience.  J.R. has an all-around game -- he can get his own shot, is an incredible rebounder for his size, can block shots, and is a decent mid-range shooter.  He's basically a taller Tony Allen, who's more under control and who can shoot.  So, I ask - why all of the hate for J.R.?  Is it because of his past?  The fact that he struggled in the preseason?  Or, is it because he's still an unknown and most of you can't get a gauge on his game?

He's not taller than TA and he appears to be even more wild at this point due to his lack of playing time and nerves.

He appears wilder than Tony? You can't have gotten this from his time with us. I don't think we've seen him take 3 consecutive dribbles yet.

[Chris]

Chris, great way to view the Jordan/Giddens/Chalmers/POB questions. I was one who really wanted Jordan at that pick, thought he and Perk might have been good together 2-3 years down the road and that Jordan could have taken the time with Cliff given we had KG and Perk... Hard to pass on an athletic 7 footer...

Was suprised to see Giddens pick. I'm waiting on Giddens, mostly because I havent' seen him play a lick of backetball yet. Usually you cna tell if someone "should" get there when you watch them a little.

Anyway, saying POB is basically Jordan with a much better contract is a smart way to see it. Tommy point.

Reason is, maybe Ainge felt he need a young project back up for Perkins, didn't need to be a stud, just a decent back up, which POB may well turn into. Meanwhile, he also needed a good, solid backup for Ray who "can shoot". These are both pressing needs for the Celts...You can't do both with one pick...

Sign POB instead of taking Jordan. Take Giddens with the 30th...

Could be exactly what happened, the throught process...for Ainge.

meanwhile, we luck into Walker as a nice young back up for Pierce...

Not too bad.

   

Thanks for the TP, here's one for you as well.

One thing to add in passing up Jordan.  I actually wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Irrelevant (Erden) ends up as just as good a prospect as Jordan.  They both are very talented big men, with tremendous upsides, but have not lived up to their talent level yet.

I would be surprised if either of them are still in the league in 6 years, but I think the chances for each of them are pretty similar.

[lantinm]

on here is just ridiculous, imo.  I see negative comments made about his character all of the time, and most make these comments based on his college career.  Why doesn't anyone mention what a class act this kid has been since he got here?  Or, why isn't there mention of the recent Globe article which mentions how he's trying to take care of his ailing mother from afar?  Doc also went out of his way to mention how hard Giddens has worked and what a good kid he is.  So, can we please give the kid the benefit of the doubt?


In addition to the aforementioned, I think a lot of people on here undervalue Giddens' game.  I see him tossed into these god-awful trade proposals on here all of the time, and it's just laughable.  Danny knows this kid has great talent, that he plays both ends of the floor, and that he's only going to get better with experience.  J.R. has an all-around game -- he can get his own shot, is an incredible rebounder for his size, can block shots, and is a decent mid-range shooter.  He's basically a taller Tony Allen, who's more under control and who can shoot.  So, I ask - why all of the hate for J.R.?  Is it because of his past?  The fact that he struggled in the preseason?  Or, is it because he's still an unknown and most of you can't get a gauge on his game?

He's not taller than TA and he appears to be even more wild at this point due to his lack of playing time and nerves.

Giddens is a legit 6'5" and his wingspan is utterly ridiculous.  Anyway, I've never seen a basketball player more out of control than Tony Allen, and I've been watching the game 25+ years.  Between the high dribble, putting his head down and not seeing the court, to setting himself up for that jumpshot that couldn't hit the side of a barn, Tony is just "outta control".

[ManUp]

on here is just ridiculous, imo.  I see negative comments made about his character all of the time, and most make these comments based on his college career.  Why doesn't anyone mention what a class act this kid has been since he got here?  Or, why isn't there mention of the recent Globe article which mentions how he's trying to take care of his ailing mother from afar?  Doc also went out of his way to mention how hard Giddens has worked and what a good kid he is.  So, can we please give the kid the benefit of the doubt?


In addition to the aforementioned, I think a lot of people on here undervalue Giddens' game.  I see him tossed into these god-awful trade proposals on here all of the time, and it's just laughable.  Danny knows this kid has great talent, that he plays both ends of the floor, and that he's only going to get better with experience.  J.R. has an all-around game -- he can get his own shot, is an incredible rebounder for his size, can block shots, and is a decent mid-range shooter.  He's basically a taller Tony Allen, who's more under control and who can shoot.  So, I ask - why all of the hate for J.R.?  Is it because of his past?  The fact that he struggled in the preseason?  Or, is it because he's still an unknown and most of you can't get a gauge on his game?

He's not taller than TA and he appears to be even more wild at this point due to his lack of playing time and nerves.

Giddens is a legit 6'5" and his wingspan is utterly ridiculous.  Anyway, I've never seen a basketball player more out of control than Tony Allen, and I've been watching the game 25+ years.  Between the high dribble, putting his head down and not seeing the court, to setting himself up for that jumpshot that couldn't hit the side of a barn, Tony is just "outta control".

Perkins can dribble up the court better, than Tony. He loses control of the ball without any pressure. I remember him almost leaving the ball behind on the break our last game against the Sixers.

I wouldn't say Giddens is legit, 6'5 I'm pretty sure, he's on the taller side of 6'4. It probably translates to 6'5 with shoes. I so remember hearing Tony was on the taller side of 6'3, so it's the same difference.

[Change]

Giddens is a legit 6'5" and his wingspan is utterly ridiculous.  Anyway, I've never seen a basketball player more out of control than Tony Allen, and I've been watching the game 25+ years.  Between the high dribble, putting his head down and not seeing the court, to setting himself up for that jumpshot that couldn't hit the side of a barn, Tony is just "outta control".

I love this heated debate. I blame Doc ( ) but seriously when will doc give these young guys a chance so he can prove us wrong or we prove him wrong. Can anyone convince me why TA shouldn't be traded? I'd rather have Walker/JR/Gabe given opportunity to grow before the playoffs then have TA set us back. I have a suggestion 4 Doc rest our starters for a game so we can see what the bench are made off.

[Birdbrain]

it comes from:

a) the fact he won't be contributing to the team anytime soon;

b) that he was taken ahead of walker, a more talented player;

c) that we could have head more interesting prospects with his pick, especially considering the fact that -- we then drafted walker.

i don't see anything vindictive on here -- nothing like Fatty O'Bryant. he seems like a good kid to me. it's only natural to want something more out of his roster spot.

a. And why does that matter?  He's a rookie on the best team in the league.

b. No one has a clue in regards to this.

c. Hindsight and again who cares or how do you know who's better than Giddens?

And you correct the POB stuff is embarrassing but, Giddens seems like he should be given the benefit of the doubt since like I mentioned no has a clue.