Not to start a war but...

[RAcker]

TRADE HIM!!! - trade ideas:

Sefelosha from Chicago
Damien Wilkins from OKC
Rasual Butler from NO
Ricky Davis from LAC
MO Evans from ATL
Jarvis Hayes from NJ

I just don't like his game, nor do I think he fits our needs.

I agreed with you up until I saw Ricky Davis on your list.  Have we forgotten that Ricky mocked PP behind his back when here and DA basically had to ship him out of town with the other cancer Blount?

I don't mind trading Tony, but if those are the players we are to replace him with, I'd rather keep Tony.

Amen.

[EJPLAYA]

I am also a know TA "hater" and will say that first half was absolutely brilliant by him. Most of the time he does go to the basket with his head down, but he did not do that in that stretch. He played the kind of ball that we all know he is capable of if he doesn't let his out of control side take over. I think his going into the game knowing he wasn't in great shape and rusty made him slow down which allowed him to play better. Maybe a slight ankle sprain every week would make him a better player.

His second half was awful though. 4 turnovers, not so great defense, etc. I hope he gets shown tape of both halfs.

[TrueGreen]

Tony plays well when he doesn't try to do too much. Last nite Doc said Tony played well in the first half because he didn't try to do too much, but not in the second half because he did try to do too much. Doc has said this often before. When TA plays within himself he's a plus. Doc and the other coaches just need to keep working with him on this.

[dark_lord]

Tony plays well when he doesn't try to do too much. Last nite Doc said Tony played well in the first half because he didn't try to do too much, but not in the second half because he did try to do too much. Doc has said this often before. When TA plays within himself he's a plus. Doc and the other coaches just need to keep working with him on this.

this further solidifies that tony has the physical attributes, but his mental lapses impede his progress, thus becoming a liability.

[yoursweatersux]

Easy with the Powe bashing guys...

The reason he gets a free pass is because Powe was sick ALL of last year and had that monster game in the finals. I'd say he's earned a bit of a pass.

Personally, I think he's just off to a bit of a rough start. Now that he's playing bad, this forum is starting to look like it did when the C's went through that losing streak when everyone declared "THIS SEASON IS OVER, WE'LL NEVER WIN AGAIN!". Sometimes, ruts happen. Powe happens to be in one, but he'll come out of it. I have faith in that because he played great for AN ENTIRE YEAR. Same thing with the team overall last year.

TA and POB on the other hand, well they don't have that kind of repertoire to fall back on

[jgod213]

1st game back after he hadn't played in almost a month:

10 points on 5/5 shooting; 8 rebounds (2 offensive); 3 assists; 3 steals; 1 block; 4 TOs

As mentioned, the guy hadn't played in almost a month and we're going to complain about him after he puts up that kind of stat line? Come on.  Granted the 4 turnovers are a lot but let's let him play a couple of games before we begin our Tony bashing again.

[wdleehi]

Powe doesn't get as much heat because Davis and Scali have stepped up recently.  Powe's bad play has been covered.

[Bankshot]

Powe doesn't get as much heat because Davis and Scali have stepped up recently.  Powe's bad play has been covered.

Yeah, but it didn't stop people from bashing BBD when he wasn't playing well, but Powe was doing ok and Scal was playing well.

[Eeyore III]

I'm a TA hater too.  Yeah, in the regular season he has a great game about 1 out of 12, and a decent game, like last night, about 1 out of 5, but the rest of the time he's a net negative.  And all that really matters is the Fakers and Cavs in 7-game serieses, and there, the last thing I want is to be depending on TA.

How about TA, Powe and Giddens for an extended Joe Smith?  The Blunder supposedly pursued TA in the off-season; Powe has upside (although he has disappointed this year), and Giddens could be a player in a year or two.  Joe Smith still has several good years left, IMHO.  Thoughts?

[Bankshot]

I'm a TA hater too.  Yeah, in the regular season he has a great game about 1 out of 12, and a decent game, like last night, about 1 out of 5, but the rest of the time he's a net negative.  And all that really matters is the Fakers and Cavs in 7-game serieses, and there, the last thing I want is to be depending on TA.

How about TA, Powe and Giddens for an extended Joe Smith?  The Blunder supposedly pursued TA in the off-season; Powe has upside (although he has disappointed this year), and Giddens could be a player in a year or two.  Joe Smith still has several good years left, IMHO.  Thoughts?

Wouldn't Scal have to be in the deal to make the numbers work? 

[ManUp]

Tony had a great game last night. However, it's not the first time he's had a great game. The fact is that Tony is an inconsistent player, and what this team needs off the bench is consistency. Knowing Tony he'll probably have two or three more games like this and revert back to turnover Tony.

[ScoobyDoo]

Well, Tony has alot of deficiencies with turning the ball over and being a black hole with the ball sometimes. But...I've always liked him despite those obvious deficiencies for a few reasons:

1. He plays basketball like a free safety. He's very physical for his size and while I don't think he's a Bruce Bown defender, he can play some pretty sticky D on his best nights. We will need him in spots against LeBron and Kobe and other tough wings. He will help there.

2. Also, he really gets fouled alot going to the hoop, so he puts pressure on on the opposing defense and is one of the reasons we'll get ot the line faster in games.

I think the biggest thing that might help Tony is the same thing that seems to have helped Eddie so much lately. Like Eddie be better suited to play and undersized off guard than a point, TAllen might be better suited playign and under sized small forward than and off guard.

Playing more at small forward would let him take advantage of his skills while "hiding" some of his deficiencies.

He would have to handle the ball less and would be receiving the ball closer to the rim and off cuts more than handling the ball on the perimeter. He could also use his strength and leaping and scrappy trait to hound the ball down low, he has no problem going in amongst the tress.

Tony is one of those guys it seems who is very strong for his size and weight, so he;ll be able to amke up for a slight height disadvantage with his strenght on most nights.

Meanwhile, his speed will be a real asset at the SF spot against most other small ofrwards.  

I'd play him stricly as Pierce's back up for a while and see how he goes. No time at the off guard spot.

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

Easy with the Powe bashing guys...

The reason he gets a free pass is because Powe was sick ALL of last year and had that monster game in the finals. I'd say he's earned a bit of a pass.

Personally, I think he's just off to a bit of a rough start. Now that he's playing bad, this forum is starting to look like it did when the C's went through that losing streak when everyone declared "THIS SEASON IS OVER, WE'LL NEVER WIN AGAIN!". Sometimes, ruts happen. Powe happens to be in one, but he'll come out of it. I have faith in that because he played great for AN ENTIRE YEAR. Same thing with the team overall last year.

TA and POB on the other hand, well they don't have that kind of repertoire to fall back on

We were counting on Powe to get alot better, to be somewhat of a leader off the bench, well hes regressed dramatically and hasnt played good in over a month...hes a turnover waiting to happen, doest know how to pass(especially from the post) his hands all of a sudden look like stone, hes so bad hes out there in garbage minutes getting his shots shoved back in his face by the worst teams in the league 3rd stringers...he cant finish at the basket if his life depended on it, the cherry on top was  him going up for a dunk last night and it rimming out. on defense it looks like hes running in cement..I think giving him a pass should stop sooner than later, this "slump" is just a case of him not getting any better, not working hard in the offseasdon and other teams actually knowing who he is and not putting the likes of luke walton on him
If BBD misses a bunny, people are ready to trade him for a bag of rocks...but I dont think hes ever played as bad as powe has in this recent stretch

Some celtics fans favortism towards powe makes me sick, especially when BBD is the better player, the sooner we all come to terms with that, the better

[Andy Jick]

Tony plays well when he doesn't try to do too much. Last nite Doc said Tony played well in the first half because he didn't try to do too much, but not in the second half because he did try to do too much. Doc has said this often before. When TA plays within himself he's a plus. Doc and the other coaches just need to keep working with him on this.

this further solidifies that tony has the physical attributes, but his mental lapses impede his progress, thus becoming a liability.

translation: there's celtics thinking and tony thinking...too often the two don't line up.  therein lies tony's downfall, and you'd think after all these years he'd finally wake up one day and "get it"...i've given up on this idea.

pats on his back for a nice first half, but he's still the same dumb tony allen...

[RAcker]

Tony plays well when he doesn't try to do too much. Last nite Doc said Tony played well in the first half because he didn't try to do too much, but not in the second half because he did try to do too much. Doc has said this often before. When TA plays within himself he's a plus. Doc and the other coaches just need to keep working with him on this.

this further solidifies that tony has the physical attributes, but his mental lapses impede his progress, thus becoming a liability.

translation: there's celtics thinking and tony thinking...too often the two don't line up.  therein lies tony's downfall, and you'd think after all these years he'd finally wake up one day and "get it"...i've given up on this idea.

pats on his back for a nice first half, but he's still the same dumb tony allen...

I'd love to jump in here and defend Tony's Bball IQ but...I just can't.