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Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2009, 10:15:02 AM »

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Eddie is amazing right now but I still don't like him just like the rest of the Boston point guards!


I agree that he is a good reserve SG, terrible PG.  


Celtics have one PG right now.  (Possible 2 if Cassell has anything left in the tank)
Calling him a terrible PG is a bit much. We did win a crucial game in LA during the finals with House playing the backup point minutes (greatest comeback ever in the Finals anyone?).  I agree he is FAR from ideal as a PG...heck he'll even admit that I bet.  But stop being a ****' buzz kill on E House.  He's on fire shooting the ball lately and actually playing some fairly decent defense, especially within the team concept.

to be fair he played PG in the sense that he was a gaurd. Ray and paul brought the ball up during the comeback (which, not coincdentaly, allowed Eddie to in fact, spot up and shoot rather than dribble.)
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Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2009, 10:18:10 AM »

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Is anyone liking the combo of Eddie and Gabe like I do?  If Gabe can keep developing, it's not a bad emergency backup plan.  We still need to sleep with a 4 leaf clover under our pillows in hopes of another PG being added though.

Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2009, 10:19:02 AM »

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Eddie is amazing right now but I still don't like him just like the rest of the Boston point guards!


I agree that he is a good reserve SG, terrible PG.  


Celtics have one PG right now.  (Possible 2 if Cassell has anything left in the tank)
Calling him a terrible PG is a bit much. We did win a crucial game in LA during the finals with House playing the backup point minutes (greatest comeback ever in the Finals anyone?).  I agree he is FAR from ideal as a PG...heck he'll even admit that I bet.  But stop being a ****' buzz kill on E House.  He's on fire shooting the ball lately and actually playing some fairly decent defense, especially within the team concept.

to be fair he played PG in the sense that he was a gaurd. Ray and paul brought the ball up during the comeback (which, not coincdentaly, allowed Eddie to in fact, spot up and shoot rather than dribble.)
True...but this seemed to work out pretty well in the 80's didn't it?  DA and DJ were both not point guards.

Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2009, 10:19:32 AM »

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Is anyone liking the combo of Eddie and Gabe like I do?  If Gabe can keep developing, it's not a bad emergency backup plan.  We still need to sleep with a 4 leaf clover under our pillows in hopes of another PG being added though.

the combo has freed up eddie from ballhandling, thus allowing him to be what he is....a shooter.  if gabe can be consistent, it will really improve our bench

Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2009, 10:19:44 AM »

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Eddie is amazing right now but I still don't like him just like the rest of the Boston point guards!


I agree that he is a good reserve SG, terrible PG.  


Celtics have one PG right now.  (Possible 2 if Cassell has anything left in the tank)
Calling him a terrible PG is a bit much. We did win a crucial game in LA during the finals with House playing the backup point minutes (greatest comeback ever in the Finals anyone?).  I agree he is FAR from ideal as a PG...heck he'll even admit that I bet.  But stop being a ****' buzz kill on E House.  He's on fire shooting the ball lately and actually playing some fairly decent defense, especially within the team concept.

to be fair he played PG in the sense that he was a gaurd. Ray and paul brought the ball up during the comeback (which, not coincdentaly, allowed Eddie to in fact, spot up and shoot rather than dribble.)

Yep.


In both the playoffs and this past month where he has been playing well, he has been allowed to be the player he is, a killer spot up shooter.  He is great as that.  

The problem is when his size puts him in as the PG charged with creating.  That is not his game and he struggles.  

That's why he is a good SG off the bench, but a terrible PG off the bench.  

Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2009, 10:20:28 AM »

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Is anyone liking the combo of Eddie and Gabe like I do?  If Gabe can keep developing, it's not a bad emergency backup plan.  We still need to sleep with a 4 leaf clover under our pillows in hopes of another PG being added though.

the combo has freed up eddie for ballhandling, thus allowing him to be what he is....a shooter.  if gabe can be consistent, it will really improve our bench

Yes. 

That's why I think if the Celtics insist on adding another PG, it needs to be a PG with some size that can guard a SG.

Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2009, 10:24:41 AM »

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Eddie is amazing right now but I still don't like him just like the rest of the Boston point guards!


I agree that he is a good reserve SG, terrible PG.  


Celtics have one PG right now.  (Possible 2 if Cassell has anything left in the tank)
Calling him a terrible PG is a bit much. We did win a crucial game in LA during the finals with House playing the backup point minutes (greatest comeback ever in the Finals anyone?).  I agree he is FAR from ideal as a PG...heck he'll even admit that I bet.  But stop being a ****' buzz kill on E House.  He's on fire shooting the ball lately and actually playing some fairly decent defense, especially within the team concept.

to be fair he played PG in the sense that he was a gaurd. Ray and paul brought the ball up during the comeback (which, not coincdentaly, allowed Eddie to in fact, spot up and shoot rather than dribble.)

Yep.


In both the playoffs and this past month where he has been playing well, he has been allowed to be the player he is, a killer spot up shooter.  He is great as that.  

The problem is when his size puts him in as the PG charged with creating.  That is not his game and he struggles.  

That's why he is a good SG off the bench, but a terrible PG off the bench.  
Again with the "terrible" label.  NO NO NO. Terrible PG off the bench = Marcus Banks.
Shooting guard being forced to play out of his natural position and not hurting us too bad = Eddie House. 
We are 38-9 people.  Replace Eddie with the aforementioned Banks and the record might be slightly different.  That is how "terrible" should be used.

Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2009, 10:26:53 AM »

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Anyone notice in that second half when he hit that first three off Pierce's dish that he turned to PP and said, holding a finger up, "That's one". Then when PP gave him the next one turned and said "That's two" holding 2 up? I wonder what little game/contest they have going on. It would be interesting to know. It is obviously between the two of them because he already had hit a few threes at that point.

paul got 4 assists in 4 minutes with Eddie off that screen, so you may be on to something.

It reminds me of those stories you'd read in the books about the 80's teams. I forget where i read it, but i heard a stroy one time that they were so bored with the regular season and blowing bad teams out at one point that bird bet someone he'd have a great west coast swing only shooting left handed. He did, and had an awesome trip.

I'm sure stuff like that goes on all the time (which is cool) and we never get to hear about it.  ;D

That is an accurate story and it was Bird who did it. I can't recall if it wasn't just one game though and not the entire trip. There was some spotlight on him I watched and it showed him in that game taking all those left handed shots. Those are the kind of things that I think the reporters need to try and uncover and write about because so much of the stuff they throw out there is so boring.

It was nice to see PP looking for Eddie since he was having a rough night from sitting due to horrid foul calls out of the officials, and House was on fire. The old PP would have kept forcing it. He can thank Eddie for the only decent number on his stat line last night!


Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2009, 10:27:33 AM »

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Eddie is amazing right now but I still don't like him just like the rest of the Boston point guards!


I agree that he is a good reserve SG, terrible PG.  


Celtics have one PG right now.  (Possible 2 if Cassell has anything left in the tank)
Calling him a terrible PG is a bit much. We did win a crucial game in LA during the finals with House playing the backup point minutes (greatest comeback ever in the Finals anyone?).  I agree he is FAR from ideal as a PG...heck he'll even admit that I bet.  But stop being a ****' buzz kill on E House.  He's on fire shooting the ball lately and actually playing some fairly decent defense, especially within the team concept.

to be fair he played PG in the sense that he was a gaurd. Ray and paul brought the ball up during the comeback (which, not coincdentaly, allowed Eddie to in fact, spot up and shoot rather than dribble.)

Yep.


In both the playoffs and this past month where he has been playing well, he has been allowed to be the player he is, a killer spot up shooter.  He is great as that.  

The problem is when his size puts him in as the PG charged with creating.  That is not his game and he struggles.  

That's why he is a good SG off the bench, but a terrible PG off the bench.  
Again with the "terrible" label.  NO NO NO. Terrible PG off the bench = Marcus Banks.
Shooting guard being forced to play out of his natural position and not hurting us too bad = Eddie House. 
We are 38-9 people.  Replace Eddie with the aforementioned Banks and the record might be slightly different.  That is how "terrible" should be used.


Who said anything about adding a player like Banks?


Eddie House as a creator is not good.  It is terrible.  (remember how bad the bench was performing when he was asked to do that this year)

Now, that role is no longer is his.  His job, get open, shoot.  Now, the bench is playing good.  

Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2009, 10:39:06 AM »

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Eddie is amazing right now but I still don't like him just like the rest of the Boston point guards!


I agree that he is a good reserve SG, terrible PG.  


Celtics have one PG right now.  (Possible 2 if Cassell has anything left in the tank)
Calling him a terrible PG is a bit much. We did win a crucial game in LA during the finals with House playing the backup point minutes (greatest comeback ever in the Finals anyone?).  I agree he is FAR from ideal as a PG...heck he'll even admit that I bet.  But stop being a ****' buzz kill on E House.  He's on fire shooting the ball lately and actually playing some fairly decent defense, especially within the team concept.

to be fair he played PG in the sense that he was a gaurd. Ray and paul brought the ball up during the comeback (which, not coincdentaly, allowed Eddie to in fact, spot up and shoot rather than dribble.)

Yep.


In both the playoffs and this past month where he has been playing well, he has been allowed to be the player he is, a killer spot up shooter.  He is great as that.  

The problem is when his size puts him in as the PG charged with creating.  That is not his game and he struggles.  

That's why he is a good SG off the bench, but a terrible PG off the bench.  
Again with the "terrible" label.  NO NO NO. Terrible PG off the bench = Marcus Banks.
Shooting guard being forced to play out of his natural position and not hurting us too bad = Eddie House. 
We are 38-9 people.  Replace Eddie with the aforementioned Banks and the record might be slightly different.  That is how "terrible" should be used.


Who said anything about adding a player like Banks?


Eddie House as a creator is not good.  It is terrible.  (remember how bad the bench was performing when he was asked to do that this year)

Now, that role is no longer is his.  His job, get open, shoot.  Now, the bench is playing good.  
Um...nobody said anything about adding Banks. I used Banks as an example of terrible. I'm done with you. This conversation has become "terrible".

Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2009, 11:05:54 AM »

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Wide Load has a point about Eddie playing the actual point guard position.  Proof of this is the fact that when he and TA are in there together, TA really plays the point.  And as for the Bird stories- there was one game where he said he was going to bank in a 3 pointer left handed!  Thats ridiculous!  He tried a couple of them and I can't remember if he made one.

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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2009, 11:08:59 AM »

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This is off topic but check in that Bird/Wilkens shootout game, if you noticed- around half of Bird's shots were left handed hook/scoop shots.  Great stuff.

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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2009, 11:42:02 AM »

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Wide Load has a point about Eddie playing the actual point guard position.  Proof of this is the fact that when he and TA are in there together, TA really plays the point.  And as for the Bird stories- there was one game where he said he was going to bank in a 3 pointer left handed!  Thats ridiculous!  He tried a couple of them and I can't remember if he made one.
I mean no offense to Wide Load or you, but it seems there is a misunderstanding about what the PG position even is.  It doesn't mean always being the one dribbling up the court.  It has significantly more to do with getting the offense called and getting everyone to where they need to be as well as controlling the pace of the game.  This goes for the defensive end as well, along with inbounds plays, free throw situations and jump balls in the NBA.

Yes, Eddie doesn't bring the ball up alot when there is another preferable matchup where the defender is afraid of getting smoked off the dribble.  Positions are not b&w in basketball like with a lot of other sports...it's much more grey.  When Eddie dribbles up the court, the pace of the game will slow some as it does when Paul or TA or Ray or anyone else besides Rondo brings the ball into the front court.  The difference is, Eddie normally has smaller, quicker guys on him (like opposing PGs) and it's more preferable for Doc to have one of the others bring it up so that we can alleviate ball pressure (their defenders are less likely to pressure the ball for fear of getting beat off the dribble) and have Eddie and the one bringing the ball up get into their secondary offensive positions in whatever set they are running.

Eddie is best as a catch and shoot. There is no doubt. Danny Ainge and Jerry Sichting and others were the same way as players back in the day.  However, at times Danny or Jerry spelled DJ in bringing the ball up when the matchups were more favorable or DJ needed a breather.  This doesn't mean Danny was playing point on that possession.  DJ still called out the plays most of the time. 

This all began with calling Eddie "terrible" as a point.  Can we name one instance were Eddie called out a play wrong or miscommunicated a defensive assignment to someone, etc.? No. We aren't in the locker room, practices or the huddles.  I think you guys think all there is to being a PG is bringing the ball up and driving and dishing.  Perk had to dribble up court once last night too, but I don't think he was running the point. 

Sorry to sound condescending, but this whole thing just sounds completely ill informed.
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Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2009, 03:22:05 PM »

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Wide Load has a point about Eddie playing the actual point guard position.  Proof of this is the fact that when he and TA are in there together, TA really plays the point.  And as for the Bird stories- there was one game where he said he was going to bank in a 3 pointer left handed!  Thats ridiculous!  He tried a couple of them and I can't remember if he made one.
I mean no offense to Wide Load or you, but it seems there is a misunderstanding about what the PG position even is.  It doesn't mean always being the one dribbling up the court.  It has significantly more to do with getting the offense called and getting everyone to where they need to be as well as controlling the pace of the game.  This goes for the defensive end as well, along with inbounds plays, free throw situations and jump balls in the NBA.

Yes, Eddie doesn't bring the ball up alot when there is another preferable matchup where the defender is afraid of getting smoked off the dribble.  Positions are not b&w in basketball like with a lot of other sports...it's much more grey.  When Eddie dribbles up the court, the pace of the game will slow some as it does when Paul or TA or Ray or anyone else besides Rondo brings the ball into the front court.  The difference is, Eddie normally has smaller, quicker guys on him (like opposing PGs) and it's more preferable for Doc to have one of the others bring it up so that we can alleviate ball pressure (their defenders are less likely to pressure the ball for fear of getting beat off the dribble) and have Eddie and the one bringing the ball up get into their secondary offensive positions in whatever set they are running.

Eddie is best as a catch and shoot. There is no doubt. Danny Ainge and Jerry Sichting and others were the same way as players back in the day.  However, at times Danny or Jerry spelled DJ in bringing the ball up when the matchups were more favorable or DJ needed a breather.  This doesn't mean Danny was playing point on that possession.  DJ still called out the plays most of the time. 

This all began with calling Eddie "terrible" as a point.  Can we name one instance were Eddie called out a play wrong or miscommunicated a defensive assignment to someone, etc.? No. We aren't in the locker room, practices or the huddles.  I think you guys think all there is to being a PG is bringing the ball up and driving and dishing.  Perk had to dribble up court once last night too, but I don't think he was running the point. 

Sorry to sound condescending, but this whole thing just sounds completely ill informed.


No, I completely understand what a PG does.


When House is asked to run the offense, calling the offense, worrying about where everyone is on the court and trying to get the ball to the right man; he struggles and the offense struggles.


Now when they give that responsibility to someone else (like Rondo, Pierce, Ray, KG or even Pruitt) and all he has to think about is where he needs to be to get an open shot; he plays very well.  But that's not being a PG, that's being a SG. 


I hope that clears up for you my understanding about what I am talking about.

Re: Eddie's past 4 games
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2009, 03:44:28 PM »

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The Eddie chant was awesome!

The eddie Chants always send a nice shiver down my spine. I love his scrappy game.