Surprising Ainge didn't take either Chalmers or Jordan with the 30th pick...

[jdpapa3]

Yea, BfB was saying that LRMAM was similar to Gomes because they were NBA ready and were pretty much going to be the same player for the majority of their careers. Their rookie season is basically almost at their ceiling already.

You definitely can't say the same for Giddens or Walker. Danny knew this team was going to be a contender this year, and Mbah a Moute wasn't going to push the team over the top. I agree with what Bill from Boston was saying exactly. Once George Hill was off the board, Danny wanted to find another Rondo type steal that could become a legitimate star player. I'd say Walker has a higher chance of being this, but I like JR a lot, too.

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

Im suprised with some of you who said Ainge didnt miss much with Chalmers...Are you kidding me? He has the potential to be rondo with a jumpshot and is starting for a playoff caliber team in his rookie season, has the clutch gene, as we saw in last years national championship game when he outplayed derrick rose...Now I think we past on him because we already have our PG of the future, and chalmers has that kind of potential, and we just dont need it

[ssspence]

not taking jordan was a mistake imo. The guy has the potential to be a poor mans version of d howard

with the reports coming out about his work ethic and lack of commitment (all questions during the draft) I'd say he's more on track to be the poor mans POB.

you can't be a poor man's version of a guy whose never gotten off the bench in his entire career. have you actually seen jordan play? either at the college level or as a pro?

yes, ive seen him this year, no in college. I evidently haven't come away as gag gag over the moon for him as some have. He seems like a nice project for a 2nd rounder, but so do walker and giddeons, but if we had drafted him, i think he'd be doing exactly what POB, walker, and pruitt are  doing....watching while people moan that doc won't play young guys.

fair enough, again just arguing for his value as a big guy with true potential. he's far from a lock to be a great or even good NBA player, but you can see the real chance there...

[Tr1boy]

thats cuz doc thinks he doesn't have to teach anymore and he can let nbdl coaches do the dirty work.

Jordan has insane raw strength and mobility for his 7 feet height. Wide shoulders etc.

You guys think mutombo is a genius?? I really believe good coaching and teachings are the key.

[moiso]

thats cuz doc thinks he doesn't have to teach anymore and he can let nbdl coaches do the dirty work.

Jordan has insane raw strength and mobility for his 7 feet height. Wide shoulders etc.

You guys think mutombo is a genius?? I really believe good coaching and teachings are the key.

good coaching plus good work ethic is the key.

[guava_wrench]

I remain surprised me that Danny didn't take either a 1 or a 5 with the Giddens pick, considering the guaranteed money invloved. Jordan's game needs a lot of work but the potential is clearly there (20 boards last night). Chalmers has played well and could be a more tradable asset. Just odd to take a nondescript wing with a shaky background from a weak conference when two guys at more valuable positions were out there...

yes, jordan is raw. yes, chalmers is limited. but anyone else have any thoughts here?

There are 2 simple answers to this:

1 - no matter who Danny drafted, we would question it since they would be buried on the bench. If we didn't acquire Walker and he was producing on another team and Chalmers was rotting on our bench instead of Giddens, people would say we should have drafted Walker with the Chalmers pick.
2 - We are the only team that valued Giddens that much. We will have to see if Danny knew what he was doing. Everyone was surprised Danny picked Giddens.

It seems Ainge wasn't worried about getting much this year from draft picks. In particular, I don't see the point in adding another young 1 when Pruitt is already taking up a roster spot. How many non-playing 1s did we want coming into the season, especially with Cassell still available as a backup plan?

[moiso]

Actually Ainge said he was going to draft players who could help right away.  I'm sure he felt Giddens would be much further along since he went to college for so long.

[lon3lytoaster]

I was really hoping for either Walker or Jordan at 30 and when that Giddens pick game up, I don't think I could have been more infuriated with that pick.

Anyway you break it down, it wasn't a good pick. Even if JR turns into an all-star, we could of got him at 60, probably... Still traded for Walker and drafted Jordan or Chalmers.

Hard not to give Danny's draft a passing grade (for me at least) because he stole Walker from Washington, and I think he's going to be something special but it certainly could have been a bit better.

[moiso]

Walker was a gamble but Doc and Danny both said they figured Giddens could contribute, especially defensively, immediately.  The fact that Giddens may have been the oldest draft pick and hasn't played in an NBA game yet in not encouraging.

[BballTim]

2 - We are the only team that valued Giddens that much. We will have to see if Danny knew what he was doing. Everyone was surprised Danny picked Giddens.

  I don't think that's true. Quite a few people here wanted Douglas-Roberts instead of Giddens but Ainge said that Giddens clearly outplayed CDR in workouts. Chris Wallace said the same thing and that Giddens was a good choice. I doubt they were the only 2 people in the league that felt that way.

[BballTim]

TP, Cordobes. LRMBAM would be the PERFECT answer to the perimeter defense we've lost off the bench.

Not to mention a pick worthy of all the rationalized credit that Danny gets on this board for cooking up, uh, long-term picks.

I think "long-term" on this board is the same thing as pick and pray.

  Yes, let's rip Ainge for possibly making a mistake on the 30th pick in the draft. It's almost unheard of that someone picking in that spot doesn't choose the player out of all the remaining prospects that appears to be the best choice 3 months into their rookie years.

  Some of Ainge's long-term picks have panned out pretty well, like Perk and Al and Gomes and Powe. Even if soem of them didn't work out (Banks) he still has as good a track record at this as most other GMs.

[BballTim]

not taking jordan was a mistake imo. The guy has the potential to be a poor mans version of d howard

  I just checked Jordan's report on (I think) draftnet). Under "weaknesses" they had something like he was too raw offensively to contribute this year. Checking on 82games he's shooting 40% on inside shots and 75% on his dunks (which is extremely low). He's made 10 of 28 free throws to boot. I don't see him taking a ton of minutes from BBD.

[Tr1boy]

We had Pruitt and Eddit house mandating the pg backup roles so whats the point of getting chalmers?? Its like t'wolves have foye and mccants , so what is the point of getting a comparable(or possibly better) oj mayo to clog up sg spot?

Deandre Jordan made alot of sense but i guess they liked pob better and weren't sure about tony allen coming back(so they got giddens)

I still think giddens will prove us wrong as he gets a chance to play but with walker looking like he will excel, jordan would have been a dream project for the coaching staff and kg to work on.

hey at least we have semih erden =]

[BballTim]

We had Pruitt and Eddit house mandating the pg backup roles so whats the point of getting chalmers?? Its like t'wolves have foye and mccants , so what is the point of getting a comparable(or possibly better) oj mayo to clog up sg spot?

Deandre Jordan made alot of sense but i guess they liked pob better and weren't sure about tony allen coming back(so they got giddens)

I still think giddens will prove us wrong as he gets a chance to play but with walker looking like he will excel, jordan would have been a dream project for the coaching staff and kg to work on.

hey at least we have semih erden =]

  I don't think they looked at POB or the other players they had in until after the draft.

[cordobes]

Yea, BfB was saying that LRMAM was similar to Gomes because they were NBA ready and were pretty much going to be the same player for the majority of their careers. Their rookie season is basically almost at their ceiling already.

You definitely can't say the same for Giddens or Walker. Danny knew this team was going to be a contender this year, and Mbah a Moute wasn't going to push the team over the top. I agree with what Bill from Boston was saying exactly. Once George Hill was off the board, Danny wanted to find another Rondo type steal that could become a legitimate star player. I'd say Walker has a higher chance of being this, but I like JR a lot, too.

Really? What gives JR Giddens such a much bigger ceiling than LRMAM? Giddens is older and had a longer college career. If JR Giddens becomes as good in the future as LRMAM is now, he'll be one of the best 30th picks ever - like in the history of the league.