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Miami game rotation?
« on: January 22, 2009, 01:00:28 PM »

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Let me start by saying I'm not bashing anyone, the results speak for themselves, but I must admit I'm a little confused by a few things in last nights game.

First, why didn't Davis, who's been the first guy off the bench, play at all in the first half?

Second, why didn't Powe, who played the first half, not play in the second half?

Third, how is it that Scal, who wasn't hardly playing until Perk was hurt, become the first guy off the bench and play more than twice as long as either of them?
On that one I must confess, I'm not a Scal fan.

Fourth, why didn't Pruitt play in the 4th, moving House back to the point? Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it appears to me that House plays much better when he's not teying to run the team. I think his 20 points in the 2nd shows that when allowed to move around without the ball, he's more effective.

The whole rotatation just seemed weird to me. Of course I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

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Scali played because he proved that he is a contributor this year.  His play has earned him those minutes.

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Fourth, why didn't Pruitt play in the 4th, moving House back to the point? Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it appears to me that House plays much better when he's not trying to run the team. I think his 20 points in the 2nd shows that when allowed to move around without the ball, he's more effective.

Ray Allen was bringing the ball up as much, if not more, than House in the 4th.
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Let me start by saying I'm not bashing anyone, the results speak for themselves, but I must admit I'm a little confused by a few things in last nights game.

First, why didn't Davis, who's been the first guy off the bench, play at all in the first half?

Second, why didn't Powe, who played the first half, not play in the second half?

Third, how is it that Scal, who wasn't hardly playing until Perk was hurt, become the first guy off the bench and play more than twice as long as either of them?
On that one I must confess, I'm not a Scal fan.

Fourth, why didn't Pruitt play in the 4th, moving House back to the point? Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it appears to me that House plays much better when he's not teying to run the team. I think his 20 points in the 2nd shows that when allowed to move around without the ball, he's more effective.

The whole rotatation just seemed weird to me. Of course I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

I was a little curious at first as well.

I think what Doc was trying to do was to keep Scal in the rotation when Perk got back, since he's been playing well.  This means Davis or Powe loses minutes.  I was a little baffled that Powe got the extra minutes first since Baby has been outplaying him.  Seems like Doc forgot about that as well until Powe stunk it up again then he replaced him with BBD.  Other than the nice block on Wade, I didn't think Scal played well at all last night (3 pts and 1 rebound)... looks like he might have come back down to earth. 

As for Pruitt, he hasn't been playing well the last few games, imo, so I'm not surprised Pruitt didn't play in the 4th.
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 01:46:53 PM »

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Let me start by saying I'm not bashing anyone, the results speak for themselves, but I must admit I'm a little confused by a few things in last nights game.

First, why didn't Davis, who's been the first guy off the bench, play at all in the first half?

Second, why didn't Powe, who played the first half, not play in the second half?

Third, how is it that Scal, who wasn't hardly playing until Perk was hurt, become the first guy off the bench and play more than twice as long as either of them?
On that one I must confess, I'm not a Scal fan.

Fourth, why didn't Pruitt play in the 4th, moving House back to the point? Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it appears to me that House plays much better when he's not teying to run the team. I think his 20 points in the 2nd shows that when allowed to move around without the ball, he's more effective.

The whole rotatation just seemed weird to me. Of course I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

I was a little curious at first as well.

I think what Doc was trying to do was to keep Scal in the rotation when Perk got back, since he's been playing well.  This means Davis or Powe loses minutes.  I was a little baffled that Powe got the extra minutes first since Baby has been outplaying him.  Seems like Doc forgot about that as well until Powe stunk it up again then he replaced him with BBD.  Other than the nice block on Wade, I didn't think Scal played well at all last night (3 pts and 1 rebound)... looks like he might have come back down to earth. 

As for Pruitt, he hasn't been playing well the last few games, imo, so I'm not surprised Pruitt didn't play in the 4th.

I think the reason Doc went with Powe against Miami is because he's had success against the Heat in the past.  That would be my thought, anyway.

While not all of Doc's decisions made 100% perfect sense, I think overall he's been doing a good job with the rotation lately.  I like seeing him mix the starters and the bench, and I don't think that it's a coincidence that the team has been playing better since he began that (which was somewhat forced due to the Tony and Perk injuries.)

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 01:55:53 PM »

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Let me start by saying I'm not bashing anyone, the results speak for themselves, but I must admit I'm a little confused by a few things in last nights game.

First, why didn't Davis, who's been the first guy off the bench, play at all in the first half?

Second, why didn't Powe, who played the first half, not play in the second half?

Third, how is it that Scal, who wasn't hardly playing until Perk was hurt, become the first guy off the bench and play more than twice as long as either of them?
On that one I must confess, I'm not a Scal fan.

Fourth, why didn't Pruitt play in the 4th, moving House back to the point? Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it appears to me that House plays much better when he's not teying to run the team. I think his 20 points in the 2nd shows that when allowed to move around without the ball, he's more effective.

The whole rotatation just seemed weird to me. Of course I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

I was a little curious at first as well.

I think what Doc was trying to do was to keep Scal in the rotation when Perk got back, since he's been playing well.  This means Davis or Powe loses minutes.  I was a little baffled that Powe got the extra minutes first since Baby has been outplaying him.  Seems like Doc forgot about that as well until Powe stunk it up again then he replaced him with BBD.  Other than the nice block on Wade, I didn't think Scal played well at all last night (3 pts and 1 rebound)... looks like he might have come back down to earth. 

As for Pruitt, he hasn't been playing well the last few games, imo, so I'm not surprised Pruitt didn't play in the 4th.

I think the reason Doc went with Powe against Miami is because he's had success against the Heat in the past.  That would be my thought, anyway.

While not all of Doc's decisions made 100% perfect sense, I think overall he's been doing a good job with the rotation lately.  I like seeing him mix the starters and the bench, and I don't think that it's a coincidence that the team has been playing better since he began that (which was somewhat forced due to the Tony and Perk injuries.)

agreed. the all or nothing / four bench players and a starter necessity was driving me absolutely crazy.

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 02:16:21 PM »

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Scali played because he proved that he is a contributor this year.  His play has earned him those minutes.

Did his play last night prove he's a contributor? I suggest that he plays okay when he is out there with the starters, and does not have to do too much, but does not contribute near as much off the bench. I think the 1 rebound in 22 minutes speaks for itself.
Sorry, and I promised myself that I wouldn't bash Scal anymore.

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 02:28:08 PM »

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What exactly does Scalabrine bring over Powe or Davis?  Powe has the 25th PER among power forwards according to Hollinger.  Scal is 62nd.

Scali played because he proved that he is a contributor this year.  His play has earned him those minutes.

Did his play last night prove he's a contributor? I suggest that he plays okay when he is out there with the starters, and does not have to do too much, but does not contribute near as much off the bench. I think the 1 rebound in 22 minutes speaks for itself.
Sorry, and I promised myself that I wouldn't bash Scal anymore.

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Glad I wasn't the only one who saw something a little strange about the rotation last night. It was pretty out of the norm for Doc.

I was actually more upset with Bill Walker being inactive, though. First time in a while where I said "Wow, I really don't like Doc Rivers." Everyone knows Cassell isn't going to play, and I understand Doc hates playing rookies (Wasn't he supposed to be this awesome teacher for young teams when he got here?) I think Bill should play over TA, but considering Tony can't even play right now... Why is Billy inactive instead of Cassell?

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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 03:21:19 PM »

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Glad I wasn't the only one who saw something a little strange about the rotation last night. It was pretty out of the norm for Doc.

I was actually more upset with Bill Walker being inactive, though. First time in a while where I said "Wow, I really don't like Doc Rivers." Everyone knows Cassell isn't going to play, and I understand Doc hates playing rookies (Wasn't he supposed to be this awesome teacher for young teams when he got here?) I think Bill should play over TA, but considering Tony can't even play right now... Why is Billy inactive instead of Cassell?

Thanks, I forgot about the Walker thing. I figure that was so he wouldn't have to play him if they were way ahead again. If he keeps playing him at the end of games, and he continues to play well, Doc might have to answer questions about why he doesn't play more.
It really doesn't make sense to waste a spot on Cassell who, as you said, is not going to play.

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What exactly does Scalabrine bring over Powe or Davis?  Powe has the 25th PER among power forwards according to Hollinger.  Scal is 62nd.

Scali played because he proved that he is a contributor this year.  His play has earned him those minutes.

Did his play last night prove he's a contributor? I suggest that he plays okay when he is out there with the starters, and does not have to do too much, but does not contribute near as much off the bench. I think the 1 rebound in 22 minutes speaks for itself.
Sorry, and I promised myself that I wouldn't bash Scal anymore.

I dont care what Leons PER is, he's been playing worse than scal, plain and simple, he cant stretch the floor, play defense, heck he cant even catch the [dang] ball lately and he certainly cant pass the ball, while everyone else is making the extra pass. He doesnt deserve anytime as far as im concerned hes starting to look very tradeable, problem is, NOONE WANTS HIM
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What exactly does Scalabrine bring over Powe or Davis?  Powe has the 25th PER among power forwards according to Hollinger.  Scal is 62nd.

Scali played because he proved that he is a contributor this year.  His play has earned him those minutes.

Did his play last night prove he's a contributor? I suggest that he plays okay when he is out there with the starters, and does not have to do too much, but does not contribute near as much off the bench. I think the 1 rebound in 22 minutes speaks for itself.
Sorry, and I promised myself that I wouldn't bash Scal anymore.

I dont care what Leons PER is, he's been playing worse than scal, plain and simple, he cant stretch the floor, play defense, heck he cant even catch the [dang] ball lately and he certainly cant pass the ball, while everyone else is making the extra pass. He doesnt deserve anytime as far as im concerned hes starting to look very tradeable, problem is, NOONE WANTS HIM

I'm sorry, did I say somewhere that I thought Powe was playing well? I don't even remember mentioning his name. Personally, I would have no problem with trading Powe, Scal or both for that matter. For what it's worth, I don't even know what a PER is. but stating that Powe is not playing well, does not mean that Scal is.

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Scali played because he proved that he is a contributor this year.  His play has earned him those minutes.


starting to wonder if Scal has a little TA in him. he seems much more effective when he starts a game vs coming in cold off the bench....

he played terrific as a starter, but we need him to play like that coming off the bench. if he can do that, it would help limit the things we are looking for in other players...

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What exactly does Scalabrine bring over Powe or Davis?  Powe has the 25th PER among power forwards according to Hollinger.  Scal is 62nd.

Scali played because he proved that he is a contributor this year.  His play has earned him those minutes.

Did his play last night prove he's a contributor? I suggest that he plays okay when he is out there with the starters, and does not have to do too much, but does not contribute near as much off the bench. I think the 1 rebound in 22 minutes speaks for itself.
Sorry, and I promised myself that I wouldn't bash Scal anymore.

I dont care what Leons PER is, he's been playing worse than scal, plain and simple, he cant stretch the floor, play defense, heck he cant even catch the [dang] ball lately and he certainly cant pass the ball, while everyone else is making the extra pass. He doesnt deserve anytime as far as im concerned hes starting to look very tradeable, problem is, NOONE WANTS HIM

I was meaning to reply to wedman who was saying Powe should play based off his per
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What exactly does Scalabrine bring over Powe or Davis?  Powe has the 25th PER among power forwards according to Hollinger.  Scal is 62nd.

Scali played because he proved that he is a contributor this year.  His play has earned him those minutes.



Did his play last night prove he's a contributor? I suggest that he plays okay when he is out there with the starters, and does not have to do too much, but does not contribute near as much off the bench. I think the 1 rebound in 22 minutes speaks for itself.
Sorry, and I promised myself that I wouldn't bash Scal anymore.

I dont care what Leons PER is, he's been playing worse than scal, plain and simple, he cant stretch the floor, play defense, heck he cant even catch the [dang] ball lately and he certainly cant pass the ball, while everyone else is making the extra pass. He doesnt deserve anytime as far as im concerned hes starting to look very tradeable, problem is, NOONE WANTS HIM

I was meaning to reply to wedman who was saying Powe should play based off his per

Oh, so what's a PER anyway?