Poll

What's most you've ever had to drink before getting behind the wheel?

1 or 2
3 or 4
5 or 6
7 or 8
9 or more
Actually, I never drink alcohol...

Author Topic: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...  (Read 64185 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2009, 06:42:44 PM »

Offline BrickJames

  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1406
  • Tommy Points: 185
  • Master Mason
So, where is the 50% of the population who has driven around hammered?  The poll results and the commentary certainly don't align.
God bless and good night!


Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2009, 07:01:00 PM »

Offline davemonsterband

  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1135
  • Tommy Points: 160
Yep. I've driven in many different states of inebriation, and if anyone out there wants to knock my teeth in because of it, I don't blame you. Don't anymore for what it's worth.
"The Best Revenge Is Massive Success"
~Ole Blue Eyes~

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2009, 07:02:11 PM »

Offline Chris

  • Global Moderator
  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18008
  • Tommy Points: 642
Drinking and driving is among a number of risky choices that can be made.  The fact that other risky behaviors exist that are not dealt with to the same level of condemnation does not mitigate the decision of driving after drinking. 
Given that:
1) people respond differently to the use of drugs/alcohol,
2) there is an inherent need to generalize when making public policy decisions (i.e., looking out for common good rather than satisfying each individuals needs)
3) many folks are impaired after 4-5 beers (or less) at being able to accurately assess the level of their own impairment

I am glad we have laws that essentially take the guess work out of this decision.  Basically, the idea is don't drink and then drive.

I'd be opposed to laws lowering the drinking age.  I was 18 when laws were 18. I am glad my 18 year old daughter and her friends do not have easy access to alcohol.

I agree that there are other risks that should rise to a higher level of importance and attention in a collective look at public safety.

You make very good points.  TP for level headed argument.

I understand the public policy, and I'm not so opposed to it.  It would be great if laws in general could be applied less ham-handedly, but I understand this isn't Utopia.  My 2nd post was more in response to the other posters here, not the policy itself.  I just feel people condemn drunk drivers on the same level I would condemn a serial rapist.  They are judging disporportionately harshly compared to other crimes.  The absolute vitriol and judgement here is astonishing to me.  It strikes me as extremism, which when coupled with judgement I believe is socially very dangerous.

You can tell how serious I take this because I made it through an entire post without any smart-mouthed comments and quite a few big words...

While I think your last post definitely came off a little...well, ignorant, for the lack of a better word...I do agree with you to a point.  I absolutely agree that there is an unbalanced public response to certain offenses (although I don't think the general sentiment against drunk driving is anywhere close to rapists, or similar crimes...but I get the point), but I definitely do not think the problem is that people are responding too negatively to drunk driving.  The problem is that there are other incredibly risky behaviors, which put others in similar danger that are overlooked.  

Let's face it, the data is pretty conclusive that having a blood-alcohol level higher than the legal limit definitely impairs you, and makes it exponentially tougher to operate a vehicle (or other machinery for that matter) in a safe manner.  

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2009, 07:02:42 PM »

Online Chief

  • Robert Parish
  • *********************
  • Posts: 21226
  • Tommy Points: 2451
I don't drink. Where is the never option?
Once you are labeled 'the best' you want to stay up there, and you can't do it by loafing around.
 
Larry Bird

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2009, 07:16:22 PM »

Offline dark_lord

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8808
  • Tommy Points: 1126
I don't drink. Where is the never option?

im in the same position and wondered the same thing

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #80 on: January 21, 2009, 07:19:57 PM »

Online Chief

  • Robert Parish
  • *********************
  • Posts: 21226
  • Tommy Points: 2451
I don't drink. Where is the never option?

im in the same position and wondered the same thing

Tp for you.
Once you are labeled 'the best' you want to stay up there, and you can't do it by loafing around.
 
Larry Bird

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2009, 07:20:32 PM »

Offline celticinorlando

  • Walter Brown
  • ********************************
  • Posts: 32675
  • Tommy Points: 836
  • Larry Bird for President
never in my life had a drink. i am 34 and just don't need it

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2009, 07:21:41 PM »

Offline dark_lord

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8808
  • Tommy Points: 1126
I don't drink. Where is the never option?

im in the same position and wondered the same thing

Tp for you.

thx...back at you

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2009, 07:22:53 PM »

Offline SShorefan 3.0

  • Jaylen Brown
  • Posts: 633
  • Tommy Points: 202
of course (he types while shaking his head).  

Not in years, but when I was younger I did.  The only difference between me & my friends when we were younger and those who have been caught driving drunk or worse is luck.

I love my kids - Call me a sap, but it's true.

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2009, 07:23:39 PM »

Offline EJPLAYA

  • NCE
  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3816
  • Tommy Points: 127

I disagree fully with the age of which driving and alcohol consumption are set at.

drinking should be 16 for beer and wine. and 18 for hard liquor.
driving should be 18 - with some exceptions.

I'm just curious how you came about with those ages?

I don't know about him, but I started drinking at about 14. It wasn't always pretty, but I think I turned out just fine. When I got to college there were WAY too many experiencing really drinking for the first time, and at times it got quite dangerous. I'm of the idea that first drinking experiences should be done when you're still under heavy influence of your folks. I got my fair share of punishment... people in college often lack that discipline. I really don't like the idea of that the legal age of drinking coincides with the the portion of your life when you're away from your authority figures and in an environment like college.

Not that I'm saying that 14 is an appropiate age, but 18 seems a bit late in my opinion and 21 is simply a horrible age limit.

And yet your posting name is BudweiserCeltic... Maybe a little TOO early?! ;D

Yet I drink I like once every two months for about 3 years now. Plus I'm quite aware of my limits, something that is easily the main problem for people that like to indulge themselves.

I honestly meant that as a joke, not an insinuation!

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2009, 07:24:44 PM »

Online Chief

  • Robert Parish
  • *********************
  • Posts: 21226
  • Tommy Points: 2451
never in my life had a drink. i am 34 and just don't need it

Tp for you also.
Once you are labeled 'the best' you want to stay up there, and you can't do it by loafing around.
 
Larry Bird

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2009, 07:32:59 PM »

Offline Schupac

  • Jayson Tatum
  • Posts: 958
  • Tommy Points: 235
Drinking and driving is among a number of risky choices that can be made.  The fact that other risky behaviors exist that are not dealt with to the same level of condemnation does not mitigate the decision of driving after drinking. 
Given that:
1) people respond differently to the use of drugs/alcohol,
2) there is an inherent need to generalize when making public policy decisions (i.e., looking out for common good rather than satisfying each individuals needs)
3) many folks are impaired after 4-5 beers (or less) at being able to accurately assess the level of their own impairment

I am glad we have laws that essentially take the guess work out of this decision.  Basically, the idea is don't drink and then drive.

I'd be opposed to laws lowering the drinking age.  I was 18 when laws were 18. I am glad my 18 year old daughter and her friends do not have easy access to alcohol.

I agree that there are other risks that should rise to a higher level of importance and attention in a collective look at public safety.

You make very good points.  TP for level headed argument.

I understand the public policy, and I'm not so opposed to it.  It would be great if laws in general could be applied less ham-handedly, but I understand this isn't Utopia.  My 2nd post was more in response to the other posters here, not the policy itself.  I just feel people condemn drunk drivers on the same level I would condemn a serial rapist.  They are judging disporportionately harshly compared to other crimes.  The absolute vitriol and judgement here is astonishing to me.  It strikes me as extremism, which when coupled with judgement I believe is socially very dangerous.

You can tell how serious I take this because I made it through an entire post without any smart-mouthed comments and quite a few big words...

While I think your last post definitely came off a little...well, ignorant, for the lack of a better word...I do agree with you to a point.  I absolutely agree that there is an unbalanced public response to certain offenses (although I don't think the general sentiment against drunk driving is anywhere close to rapists, or similar crimes...but I get the point), but I definitely do not think the problem is that people are responding too negatively to drunk driving.  The problem is that there are other incredibly risky behaviors, which put others in similar danger that are overlooked.  

Let's face it, the data is pretty conclusive that having a blood-alcohol level higher than the legal limit definitely impairs you, and makes it exponentially tougher to operate a vehicle (or other machinery for that matter) in a safe manner.  

I'll preface this by saying I wasn't offended by what you said, and I'm not trying to be combative now.  But my 2nd post, comparing drunk driving to other similar risky driving practices, was my response to what I thought was other people's ignorant posts on the subject.  If I drink and drive, I am not choosing to endanger someone else's life.  I am making a decision that I am competent to drive.  And frankly I don't trust a complete stranger to make that decision for me.  As in all aspects of life, some people will make bad decisions.  That's how it is.  But saying everyone that does this thing you don't approve of is a terrible person sounds like bigotry to me.

And I think the fact that many of the people who vocally and with much fire and brimstone condemn drunk drivers are now handing out TPs to eachother for not drinking puts a bit of a shadow across the argument.  If you don't drink, that's cool.  It's a healthy decision, like eating oat meal or avoiding red meat.  But if you are giving out these TPs for pure morality, then that means you think drinking is wrong.  And I don't think this should be a debate about morality, but public safety.  So to be fair, I think you're bringing some baggage into the discussion.

To oversimplify this a little bit... it's my decision to drink.  And if I ever get on the wrong side of the law, I'll take my punishment without argument.  But I will not be judged by a group of people who don't know me at all, don't know the situation I might be in, and aren't familiar with the circumstances that even could put a person in that situation.

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2009, 07:40:52 PM »

Offline BudweiserCeltic

  • Bill Sharman
  • *******************
  • Posts: 19003
  • Tommy Points: 1833

I disagree fully with the age of which driving and alcohol consumption are set at.

drinking should be 16 for beer and wine. and 18 for hard liquor.
driving should be 18 - with some exceptions.

I'm just curious how you came about with those ages?

I don't know about him, but I started drinking at about 14. It wasn't always pretty, but I think I turned out just fine. When I got to college there were WAY too many experiencing really drinking for the first time, and at times it got quite dangerous. I'm of the idea that first drinking experiences should be done when you're still under heavy influence of your folks. I got my fair share of punishment... people in college often lack that discipline. I really don't like the idea of that the legal age of drinking coincides with the the portion of your life when you're away from your authority figures and in an environment like college.

Not that I'm saying that 14 is an appropiate age, but 18 seems a bit late in my opinion and 21 is simply a horrible age limit.

And yet your posting name is BudweiserCeltic... Maybe a little TOO early?! ;D

Yet I drink I like once every two months for about 3 years now. Plus I'm quite aware of my limits, something that is easily the main problem for people that like to indulge themselves.

I honestly meant that as a joke, not an insinuation!

I know, just felt compeled to respond anyways.

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2009, 07:44:28 PM »

Offline Roy Hobbs

  • In The Rafters
  • The Natural
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 33333
  • Tommy Points: 6430
  • Doc could learn a thing or two from Norman Dale
If I drink and drive, I am not choosing to endanger someone else's life.  I am making a decision that I am competent to drive.  And frankly I don't trust a complete stranger to make that decision for me.  As in all aspects of life, some people will make bad decisions.  That's how it is.  But saying everyone that does this thing you don't approve of is a terrible person sounds like bigotry to me.

People who drive drunk are making an *impaired* decision, which will directly put other people's lives at risk.  Driving while intoxicated leads to poor decision making / impaired judgment, and slow reaction times.   

Quote
To oversimplify this a little bit... it's my decision to drink.  And if I ever get on the wrong side of the law, I'll take my punishment without argument.  But I will not be judged by a group of people who don't know me at all, don't know the situation I might be in, and aren't familiar with the circumstances that even could put a person in that situation.

People can judge you for getting drunk and putting their loved ones at risk as much as they can judge any reckless criminal who has a disregard for the public welfare.  I'm not sure that any "circumstances that ... put a person in that situation" are justifiable; I'd love to hear the rationale for when it's prudent to drive while intoxicated.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

Portland CrotoNats:  2009 CB Draft Champions

Re: Have you driven drunk? Answer honestly...
« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2009, 07:47:27 PM »

Offline moiso

  • Tiny Archibald
  • *******
  • Posts: 7674
  • Tommy Points: 446
Drunk driving a motorcycle is pretty dumb and I've done that quite a few times.  And the booze usually makes the rider more aggressive rather than more careful.