Rondo's Jumpshot

[EJPLAYA]

I think I have come to a conclusion. When Rondo takes his time to shoot his jumper he is absolutely awful and doesn't even come close. When Rondo is kind of "rushing" the shot at the end of the shot clock, or because there is a defender closing in, he is actually quite a bit better with it. He doesn't think about the shot and so muscle memory kicks in over his mind. They say he actually knocks a lot of them down in shoot arounds and practice, so it must be a big part mental.

I think the thing that Doc needs to stress to Rondo and train him to do is to shoot the ball immediately when he is open rather than trying to square up and take his time. That should be something that he could work on, especially in the offseason. If he can make even half of those open ones that he gets with guys going under the pick he will truly be amazing.

[Bankshot]

He has looked pretty good that last couple of games taking them.  I wish he would take the open shots that he gets every game and not just some games.

[CelticsWhat35]

He has looked pretty good that last couple of games taking them.  I wish he would take the open shots that he gets every game and not just some games.

I agree that Rondo should never be hesitant with his shot.  But I don't think he should just take every open shot that he has, especially when they're playing a team that has no shot-blockers, and he can get by his man.

No matter how good your jump shot is, a layup is always better.  The Celtics offense runs better when Rondo is attacking the rim.

[EJPLAYA]

He has looked pretty good that last couple of games taking them.  I wish he would take the open shots that he gets every game and not just some games.

I agree that Rondo should never be hesitant with his shot.  But I don't think he should just take every open shot that he has, especially when they're playing a team that has no shot-blockers, and he can get by his man.

No matter how good your jump shot is, a layup is always better.  The Celtics offense runs better when Rondo is attacking the rim.

Agree. I was referring to the wide open one's that people are giving him that a PG needs to take.

[crownsy]

He has looked pretty good that last couple of games taking them.  I wish he would take the open shots that he gets every game and not just some games.

I agree that Rondo should never be hesitant with his shot.  But I don't think he should just take every open shot that he has, especially when they're playing a team that has no shot-blockers, and he can get by his man.

No matter how good your jump shot is, a layup is always better.  The Celtics offense runs better when Rondo is attacking the rim.

Agree. I was referring to the wide open one's that people are giving him that a PG needs to take.

I'll back EJ up on this, TP, i notice this too.

If he thinks about it, he's about a 20% shooter and his motion seems real jerky.

If he's in "i have to shoot mode" late in the clock or if its him catching and shooting off that curl play we run off ray's screen (I think im describing that poorley, but its the set that has ray come off a screen and curl towards the basket. Rondo rotates to the spot ray leaves, and he's hit a couple shots where ray kicks it to him behind him) he's much better.

I think this goes back to the confidance issue thats been noted by people attending the games and seeing him hit shot after shot in the pregame. When he thinks about it, he suffers. When he's in rythem and doesn't think, its a good shot.

[Chris]

I think I have come to a conclusion. When Rondo takes his time to shoot his jumper he is absolutely awful and doesn't even come close. When Rondo is kind of "rushing" the shot at the end of the shot clock, or because there is a defender closing in, he is actually quite a bit better with it. He doesn't think about the shot and so muscle memory kicks in over his mind. They say he actually knocks a lot of them down in shoot arounds and practice, so it must be a big part mental.

I think the thing that Doc needs to stress to Rondo and train him to do is to shoot the ball immediately when he is open rather than trying to square up and take his time. That should be something that he could work on, especially in the offseason. If he can make even half of those open ones that he gets with guys going under the pick he will truly be amazing.

I think this is absolutely correct, and can be said about just about any shooter.  It's all about "rhythm".  If a shot is taken in rhythm, it has a much better chance to go in.  If it is not, then that is when the mechanics usually break down.  With great shooters, this ussually isn't as much of a problem, but with mediocre ones like Rondo (I would throw Davis in the same boat), it is immensely important.

[EJPLAYA]

I think I have come to a conclusion. When Rondo takes his time to shoot his jumper he is absolutely awful and doesn't even come close. When Rondo is kind of "rushing" the shot at the end of the shot clock, or because there is a defender closing in, he is actually quite a bit better with it. He doesn't think about the shot and so muscle memory kicks in over his mind. They say he actually knocks a lot of them down in shoot arounds and practice, so it must be a big part mental.

I think the thing that Doc needs to stress to Rondo and train him to do is to shoot the ball immediately when he is open rather than trying to square up and take his time. That should be something that he could work on, especially in the offseason. If he can make even half of those open ones that he gets with guys going under the pick he will truly be amazing.

I think this is absolutely correct, and can be said about just about any shooter.  It's all about "rhythm".  If a shot is taken in rhythm, it has a much better chance to go in.  If it is not, then that is when the mechanics usually break down.  With great shooters, this ussually isn't as much of a problem, but with mediocre ones like Rondo (I would throw Davis in the same boat), it is immensely important.

TP. Davis is another perfect example. Bad form, ugly shot, but when he isn't thinking and just lets it go he can hit them.

[BballTim]

  I'd put his free throw shooting in the same category.

[cordobes]

How many jump-shots have you charted to reach this conclusion?

[Bankshot]

He has looked pretty good that last couple of games taking them.  I wish he would take the open shots that he gets every game and not just some games.

I agree that Rondo should never be hesitant with his shot.  But I don't think he should just take every open shot that he has, especially when they're playing a team that has no shot-blockers, and he can get by his man.

No matter how good your jump shot is, a layup is always better.  The Celtics offense runs better when Rondo is attacking the rim.

Agree. I was referring to the wide open one's that people are giving him that a PG needs to take.

Agree.  I wasn't referring to every shot either.

[BrickJames]

I think I have come to a conclusion. When Rondo takes his time to shoot his jumper he is absolutely awful and doesn't even come close. When Rondo is kind of "rushing" the shot at the end of the shot clock, or because there is a defender closing in, he is actually quite a bit better with it. He doesn't think about the shot and so muscle memory kicks in over his mind. They say he actually knocks a lot of them down in shoot arounds and practice, so it must be a big part mental.

I think the thing that Doc needs to stress to Rondo and train him to do is to shoot the ball immediately when he is open rather than trying to square up and take his time. That should be something that he could work on, especially in the offseason. If he can make even half of those open ones that he gets with guys going under the pick he will truly be amazing.

I agree that when he doesn't out-think his shot, it's more likely to go in, but name me one player for which that's not true?

Your solution of "rushed" shots is a bad idea IMO.  Open jumpshooting is the easiest thing to teach in the game of basketball - and it comes with hard work.

[ManUp]

Hesitating on a jumpshot is probably the worst thing you can do. When you hesitate it shows 1 that you don't want to take the shot, and 2 your over thinking. When Rondo doesn't hesitate he becomes a solid shooter.

Last season we were playing more off of Garnett. When Garnett was double teamed he'd kick out to Rondo for an open jumper which Rondo hit consistently. There was no hesitation just catch and shoot from Rondo, because he already knew he was going to take the shot.

Rondo will stop hesitating when he gains confidence in his jumper. For him to gain confidence in his jumper he has to hit some in games. I think we should run that KG to Rondo play once or twice each game.

[crownsy]

I think I have come to a conclusion. When Rondo takes his time to shoot his jumper he is absolutely awful and doesn't even come close. When Rondo is kind of "rushing" the shot at the end of the shot clock, or because there is a defender closing in, he is actually quite a bit better with it. He doesn't think about the shot and so muscle memory kicks in over his mind. They say he actually knocks a lot of them down in shoot arounds and practice, so it must be a big part mental.

I think the thing that Doc needs to stress to Rondo and train him to do is to shoot the ball immediately when he is open rather than trying to square up and take his time. That should be something that he could work on, especially in the offseason. If he can make even half of those open ones that he gets with guys going under the pick he will truly be amazing.

I agree that when he doesn't out-think his shot, it's more likely to go in, but name me one player for which that's not true?

Your solution of "rushed" shots is a bad idea IMO.  Open jumpshooting is the easiest thing to teach in the game of basketball - and it comes with hard work.

on our team? I think  paul, KG, davis, and pruitt operate better wide open and setting thier feet than catch and shoot.

Ray and eddie love to fire as soon as they touch it, but the others will take thier time if open, and nail the shot to a higher degree than pure catcha nd shoot (to varying degree's obviously, Glen is still an average shooter at best.)

I don't think people were saying he "out thinks" himself so much as that he's a much better rythm shooter than seting and shooting. That may have somethign to do with overthinking it however.

[EJPLAYA]

I think I have come to a conclusion. When Rondo takes his time to shoot his jumper he is absolutely awful and doesn't even come close. When Rondo is kind of "rushing" the shot at the end of the shot clock, or because there is a defender closing in, he is actually quite a bit better with it. He doesn't think about the shot and so muscle memory kicks in over his mind. They say he actually knocks a lot of them down in shoot arounds and practice, so it must be a big part mental.

I think the thing that Doc needs to stress to Rondo and train him to do is to shoot the ball immediately when he is open rather than trying to square up and take his time. That should be something that he could work on, especially in the offseason. If he can make even half of those open ones that he gets with guys going under the pick he will truly be amazing.

I agree that when he doesn't out-think his shot, it's more likely to go in, but name me one player for which that's not true?

Your solution of "rushed" shots is a bad idea IMO.  Open jumpshooting is the easiest thing to teach in the game of basketball - and it comes with hard work.

Ray Allen for one. He has a pure shot that you really just can't teach and doesn't think at all when he shoots it. He just lets it fly. The great shooters do this. Reggie was the same way.

You're splitting hairs here, because you know what I mean. I am not saying the guy should shoot Eddie House style and just release the shot as quickly as he can. He just shouldn't sit there and pause for 2-3 seconds and try and guide the ball in which is what he tends to do when he is that wide open. He just needs to catch that open one and pull up immediately into the shot.

[kenmaine]

True- when he just lets it fly it goes in more often.
 But overall, he's definitely improved this year, even making threes.
And since he just totally outplayed Steve Nash(again), and outplayed Devin Harris so badly the other night that Harris' coach benched him for the whole second half, Rondo's jumpshot is hardly a major issue!