Rondo's Jumpshot

[crownsy]

Don't confuse FG% with shooting.

why? its ben used to nueter his jump shooting percentage by some and defend it by others.

All four of those guys were notably bad shooters who improved to respectable. none of them are deadly shooters now.

All four are reasonble representations of a career path.

edit: can someone nuke my double post? dont know how that happened.

[wdleehi]

Don't confuse FG% with shooting.

why? its ben used to nueter his jump shooting percentage by some and defend it by others.

All four of those guys were notably bad shooters who improved to respectable. none of them are deadly shooters now.

All four are reasonble representations of a career path.

edit: can someone nuke my double post? dont know how that happened.

[BballTim]

Rondo will never be a good shooter.  His shot is awkward... it always looks mechanical.  It's going to be an issue throughout his entire career.

as opposed to parker, who also has a jerky looking jumpshot, but is now a decent shooter?

I don't think anyones saying rondo is suddenly going to be ray allen, but if he can hit his jumper like he has been during this 2 week stretch, thats good enough considering it shouldn't be his go to move anyway.

Developing an average jumpshot for him is a priority, not a great one, which he will, as you say, most likely never acheive.

But he doesn't need to. it would be super if he did, but just enough of one to be a threat is fine.

I think he'll just suck at shooting his entire career.  If I had a nickel for every player who "just needed to develop a jumpshot"...   

Shaq will start hitting free throws consistently before Rondo starts hitting wide open shots consistently.

And i can show you just as many guys who had horrid shooting out of college and developed into average shooters, which is all we need, so whats your point?

Guards that after two years in the league were as bad as Rondo and later developed into average shooters? Who?

  How bad is Rondo? This year he's hitting at about 27% (I think) but last year he was around 42%.

[crownsy]

Rondo will never be a good shooter.  His shot is awkward... it always looks mechanical.  It's going to be an issue throughout his entire career.

as opposed to parker, who also has a jerky looking jumpshot, but is now a decent shooter?

I don't think anyones saying rondo is suddenly going to be ray allen, but if he can hit his jumper like he has been during this 2 week stretch, thats good enough considering it shouldn't be his go to move anyway.

Developing an average jumpshot for him is a priority, not a great one, which he will, as you say, most likely never acheive.

But he doesn't need to. it would be super if he did, but just enough of one to be a threat is fine.

I think he'll just suck at shooting his entire career.  If I had a nickel for every player who "just needed to develop a jumpshot"...   

Shaq will start hitting free throws consistently before Rondo starts hitting wide open shots consistently.

And i can show you just as many guys who had horrid shooting out of college and developed into average shooters, which is all we need, so whats your point?

Guards that after two years in the league were as bad as Rondo and later developed into average shooters? Who?

  How bad is Rondo? This year he's hitting at about 27% (I think) but last year he was around 42%.

i think his efg has gone up a ton over the last few weeks on his jumper as well. mostly because he doesn't take many, so any good run shows up as a huge change, then to him shooting alot better.

[OmarSekou]

This has been his biggest knock since he's been in the league. We've debated mechanics, hand size, practice, etc. as to why he doesn't take and make open shots.

Rondo's biggest issue is confidence. I've seen him hit enough open jumpers to know he has the ability to do it. He just isn't relied on to do it, so he always defers when he has that option. That usually isn't a problem because he's such a good playmaker and we have so many talented players around him. But in the playoffs when teams drift off him and force him to be a jump shooter it was and will be an issue.

It's not the shots he misses that upsets me, it's the one's he doesn't take or hesitates to take (which throws off his rhythm). He completely lacks a shooter's mindset and many of his turnovers are caused when he's forced to take on a scorer's mentality and panics. He needs to shoot more and gain confidence in taking the open shot. Consistency will come after that. You can't simulate in game pressure anywhere else, so that's where he has to get it done. Take a lesson from Ray last year in the playoffs and keep shooting.

[cordobes]

Don't confuse FG% with shooting.

why? its ben used to nueter his jump shooting percentage by some and defend it by others.

Because FG% includes all kind of field goal attempts and not only jump-shots.

[cordobes]

How bad is Rondo? This year he's hitting at about 27% (I think) but last year he was around 42%.

I think he's by a fair margin the worst jump-shooter among all the starting PGs in the league.

Those numbers mean very little without context.

[BballTim]

How bad is Rondo? This year he's hitting at about 27% (I think) but last year he was around 42%.

I think he's by a fair margin the worst jump-shooter among all the starting PGs in the league.

Those numbers mean very little without context.

  No, I meant Rondo's jump shooting last year compared to Rondo's jump shooting this year.

[cordobes]

How bad is Rondo? This year he's hitting at about 27% (I think) but last year he was around 42%.

I think he's by a fair margin the worst jump-shooter among all the starting PGs in the league.

Those numbers mean very little without context.

  No, I meant Rondo's jump shooting last year compared to Rondo's jump shooting this year.

Ah, right. I think it's very slightly improved. He improved more from his rookie season to the last one, but I believe I'm seeing some small progress now as well. I don't think the numbers mean a lot because the sample is so small that a couple of bad weeks or even a dozen of full-court shots can skew the efficiency.

[housecall]

I usually judge a player's jumpshot by home/away progress...if he has improved some away as well as at home over a period of time,and continue to improve then he has upgraded his game(imo).Lets wait and see over a larger body of  games away/home to tell whether its the real thing.

[ManUp]

Rondo has already gone a season as a decent/good shooter. Not including the 3 ball, Rondo(if I did my math right) hit 42 percent of his shots outside the paint last year. More than  50% of his shots were outside the paint last year so that's a pretty good sample size. He's already shown that he can be a decent shooter so that's not really a question. The question is more like will he become a decent shooter...

You can even check his hot spots for last year if you like.

http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

[cordobes]

Rondo has already gone a season as a decent/good shooter. Not including the 3 ball, Rondo(if I did my math right) hit 42 percent of his shots outside the paint last year. More than  50% of his shots were outside the paint last year so that's a pretty good sample size. He's already shown that he can be a decent shooter so that's not really a question. The question is more like will he become a decent shooter...

You can even check his hot spots for last year if you like.

http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

You did a lot of unnecessary work.

Check this page: http://www.82games.com/0708/07BOS1A.HTM

Yeah, he hit 42.2% of his jump-shots, but I completely disagree about the significance of the sample. We are talking about 400 jump-shots or close to it, almost every one of them wide open. That's an extremely short sample and a very skewed one, because the level of contentedness of the shots has an incredible and profound impact on the efficiency of the shooter.

Just for the sake of comparison, check Parker's sophomore year:
http://82games.com/02SAS1A.HTM

Roughly the same efficiency. But Parker took 700 jump-shots, including many 3's and many contested shots. Teams weren't giving Parker the space they give to Rondo.

In fact, I think a good way of evaluating Rondo's jump-shot is this one: once teams stop defending him like the Lakers recently did, that would mean his jump-shot is decent or average.

[bknova]

I actually thought during Saturday's Nets game that his mechanics were looking smoother.  He took some jumpers that didn't drop, but looked much more fluid than normal.   And of course they fell against Phoenix. 

If he can just master that form, he'll gain the confidenct to take the open jumper.

[ManUp]

Rondo has already gone a season as a decent/good shooter. Not including the 3 ball, Rondo(if I did my math right) hit 42 percent of his shots outside the paint last year. More than  50% of his shots were outside the paint last year so that's a pretty good sample size. He's already shown that he can be a decent shooter so that's not really a question. The question is more like will he become a decent shooter...

You can even check his hot spots for last year if you like.

http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

You did a lot of unnecessary work.

Check this page: http://www.82games.com/0708/07BOS1A.HTM

Yeah, he hit 42.2% of his jump-shots, but I completely disagree about the significance of the sample. We are talking about 400 jump-shots or close to it, almost every one of them wide open. That's an extremely short sample and a very skewed one, because the level of contentedness of the shots has an incredible and profound impact on the efficiency of the shooter.

Just for the sake of comparison, check Parker's sophomore year:
http://82games.com/02SAS1A.HTM

Roughly the same efficiency. But Parker took 700 jump-shots, including many 3's and many contested shots. Teams weren't giving Parker the space they give to Rondo.

In fact, I think a good way of evaluating Rondo's jump-shot is this one: once teams stop defending him like the Lakers recently did, that would mean his jump-shot is decent or average.

Thanks for the link. I agree that level of difficulty is a big factor, but it sometimes about the player. Rondo took and made shots he felt comfortable with same with Parker. Some guys are better off the dribble shooters, than they are spot up shooters. I think it's more about the type of shots the player likes. 

I also have to disagree, about the sample size not being enough. I think he took more than enough shots to show he could make those open looks. Yes Rondo was often open, but he was hitting them with pretty good consistency. He showed that when he takes his shot with confidence he can make them.

You can be the greatest shooter in the world, but it won't mean anything if you don't take shots. The issue hasn't really with been with Rondo's jump shot, but with his confidence. The problem is that the teams don't respect Rondo's jump shot because he doesn't take them. His reluctance to take shots is what makes teams play off him it was never really his inability to make them.

[BrickJames]

Teams weren't giving Parker the space they give to Rondo.

Sure about that?