Where's Powe's Jump Shot?

[expobear]

Powe's bread and butter in college was the 15 ft jumper... I've been preaching that the biggest thing he should work on his his HANDLE and I could see him being a ridiculous scoring threat.  Fact is.. he's undersized to play the position he's playing... he is great at it...but still...

Powe's bread and butter in college is what you see him doing today for the Celtics.  I could count on one hand the number of times I remember Powe shooting a 15 ft jumper in college. Not that I saw a lot of his college games but 95% of his shots were within 8 ft and in from what I can remember.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Powe really annoys me with his lack of passing. He wastes so many good opportunities in our perimeter game with what would've been simple easy kickouts.

If Powe could pass or shoot, he wouldn't be 9th man coming off the bench. He averages a little over 4 shots a game on 15 minutes of playing time. If you were a marginal NBA player with no shot, what would you do if you were in Powe's shoes? Powe is not going to get more playing time or a new contract if he passed the ball out to the perimeter every time he gets the ball down low. This black hole stuff is really a myth as far as I'm concerned.

Just as the myth that Powe was incosistent during the playoffs last year, and just as the myth that he misses defensive assigments in a regular basis right?

[cordobes]

Powe really annoys me with his lack of passing. He wastes so many good opportunities in our perimeter game with what would've been simple easy kickouts.

If Powe could pass or shoot, he wouldn't be 9th man coming off the bench. He averages a little over 4 shots a game on 15 minutes of playing time. If you were a marginal NBA player with no shot, what would you do if you were in Powe's shoes? Powe is not going to get more playing time or a new contract if he passed the ball out to the perimeter every time he gets the ball down low. This black hole stuff is really a myth as far as I'm concerned.

Are you saying Powe is jacking up shots and not passing the ball because he's worried about his contract and not so much about helping the team win? I hope you're wrong.

Anyway, I think that learning to deal with double-teams and to make the pass is a far more important developmental root for Powe than a jump-shot.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Powe really annoys me with his lack of passing. He wastes so many good opportunities in our perimeter game with what would've been simple easy kickouts.

If Powe could pass or shoot, he wouldn't be 9th man coming off the bench. He averages a little over 4 shots a game on 15 minutes of playing time. If you were a marginal NBA player with no shot, what would you do if you were in Powe's shoes? Powe is not going to get more playing time or a new contract if he passed the ball out to the perimeter every time he gets the ball down low. This black hole stuff is really a myth as far as I'm concerned.

Are you saying Powe is jacking up shots and not passing the ball because he's worried about his contract and not so much about helping the team win? I hope you're wrong.

Anyway, I think that learning to deal with double-teams and to make the pass is a far more important developmental root for Powe than a jump-shot.

He's been preaching over a year now how the Celtics don't deserve Powe that he should go elsewhere to earn his rightful money... that's from where his comments stem from.

And yeah, recognizing double teams and making the correct pass is far more important to his development than a jumpshot that might never be there for him.

[MBz]

Powe really does throw up a lot of garbage shots.  Off balanced, in the middle of two men, etc etc.  Which is one of the reasons why BBD has stepped ahead of him in my opinion.  Big Baby is a much smarter player, he may not be hitting the shots right now, but the shots are better shots and I think eventually they will start falling.  BBD is also a better defensive player.  This is a team that preaches defense first, if BBD is playing better defense, then I'd rather have him on the floor.  Also, I really like when BBD and KG play together, you have two big men who really know how to pass the ball.

[xmuscularghandix]

every time he has the ball and its his job to get the shot its like he takes 5 seconds holding it there just to think of what he's gonna do. he's just not the scorer he was in college.

[moiso]

If he'd just decide what to do quicker he wouldn't be such a ball stopper.  A 10 ft jumper would do wonders for his game.

[Scalablob990]

Powe's bread and butter in college was the 15 ft jumper... I've been preaching that the biggest thing he should work on his his HANDLE and I could see him being a ridiculous scoring threat.  Fact is.. he's undersized to play the position he's playing... he is great at it...but still...

Powe's bread and butter in college is what you see him doing today for the Celtics.  I could count on one hand the number of times I remember Powe shooting a 15 ft jumper in college. Not that I saw a lot of his college games but 95% of his shots were within 8 ft and in from what I can remember.

Same here, I saw a brief clip on youtube where he nailed a 15ft jump shot and that somewhat irked me since i've never seen him try one of those before in the NBA. I think the knee injury he took in college took most of his game away from him. Supposedly he was alot faster and a better scorer.

[Scalablob990]

Why isn't Powe working on a jumpshot?  He is turning into a black hole because of it, imo.  As an example, last night with the clock winding down, instead of taking the short 5 foot jumpshot or passing it back out to House at the top of the key, he decides to make a move toward the basket with not enough time on the shot clock to do so, and the shot clock runs out.  He's just too short to try to back bigger players down all the time... they just swat his junk back into his face.  He needs that short jumper.

I don't think he needs a 15 footer like BBD is working on, but just a short jumper like Perk's. 

If Perk can shoot that jumper, you would think Powe, who is a better offensive player, can do the same thing.  I'd love to see Powe work on it, he'd be a much better offensive player.

People can argue me on this, but it's difficult for a man to be looking at the shot clock when his back is to it. That becomes the PG's or anyone elses responsibility to alert your teammate when the clock is about to go, don't just be silent about it.

[nickagneta]

I think with any young player that player will first do the things they feel comfortable with, the things have confidence in, and the things that their coaches encourage them to do.

I don't get the sense that this coaching staff is encouraging or even hinting at the fact that they want Leon taking a 15 foot jump shot. Leon and Baby play together a lot this year and I think coming into the season the coaching staff knew that was going to be the way of things. Seeing that Leon is a tremendous offensive rebounder/garbage man/post player I think the coaches envisioned him being the post man in the second team offense and Baby being the perimeter big that Doc runs his offense with.

Baby sets much better screens than Leon, seems to be a bit more nimble in the open floor than Leon, and seemed to have better range than Leon, so the coaches had Baby work on the outside shot and had Leon work with Coach Ray with his post moves and rebounding and defense.

Hence, no jumper for Leon, a jumper for Baby, and BBD running all over the place on the perimeter and high post setting screens for pick and pops and Leon trying to get positioning underneath.

I really do believe it is all from design and what roles the coaches pegged each into. I don't think either had much of a choice as to what to work on and what to do in game situations. They are just different players in different roles. On the first team offense Perk plays Leon's role and KG is Baby's role.

[expobear]

Powe really annoys me with his lack of passing. He wastes so many good opportunities in our perimeter game with what would've been simple easy kickouts.

If Powe could pass or shoot, he wouldn't be 9th man coming off the bench. He averages a little over 4 shots a game on 15 minutes of playing time. If you were a marginal NBA player with no shot, what would you do if you were in Powe's shoes? Powe is not going to get more playing time or a new contract if he passed the ball out to the perimeter every time he gets the ball down low. This black hole stuff is really a myth as far as I'm concerned.

Are you saying Powe is jacking up shots and not passing the ball because he's worried about his contract and not so much about helping the team win? I hope you're wrong.

Anyway, I think that learning to deal with double-teams and to make the pass is a far more important developmental root for Powe than a jump-shot.

No, I'm not saying that he is concerned about himself over the team.  Powe wants to win and it's pretty evident after watching his play the past couple of years. Not to be naive about this, though, players like Powe still have to prove themselves and make best of the limited opportunities they get. Or else, it could be Europe for Leon.

My point is this is what Powe does best...power up inside. If he is double teamed, he will kick it back out. When he is in single coverage, his bread and butter is to try and take his man, especially when he's part of the second unit. If he's playing with the first team, he does this less often. Seeing that he only takes 4 shots a game and averages about 7 pts per game, I don't consider him a "black hole".  

[moiso]

Why isn't Powe working on a jumpshot?  He is turning into a black hole because of it, imo.  As an example, last night with the clock winding down, instead of taking the short 5 foot jumpshot or passing it back out to House at the top of the key, he decides to make a move toward the basket with not enough time on the shot clock to do so, and the shot clock runs out.  He's just too short to try to back bigger players down all the time... they just swat his junk back into his face.  He needs that short jumper.

I don't think he needs a 15 footer like BBD is working on, but just a short jumper like Perk's. 

If Perk can shoot that jumper, you would think Powe, who is a better offensive player, can do the same thing.  I'd love to see Powe work on it, he'd be a much better offensive player.

People can argue me on this, but it's difficult for a man to be looking at the shot clock when his back is to it. That becomes the PG's or anyone elses responsibility to alert your teammate when the clock is about to go, don't just be silent about it.

there is a shot clock on both sides of the court.

[crownsy]

Why isn't Powe working on a jumpshot?  He is turning into a black hole because of it, imo.  As an example, last night with the clock winding down, instead of taking the short 5 foot jumpshot or passing it back out to House at the top of the key, he decides to make a move toward the basket with not enough time on the shot clock to do so, and the shot clock runs out.  He's just too short to try to back bigger players down all the time... they just swat his junk back into his face.  He needs that short jumper.

I don't think he needs a 15 footer like BBD is working on, but just a short jumper like Perk's. 

If Perk can shoot that jumper, you would think Powe, who is a better offensive player, can do the same thing.  I'd love to see Powe work on it, he'd be a much better offensive player.

People can argue me on this, but it's difficult for a man to be looking at the shot clock when his back is to it. That becomes the PG's or anyone elses responsibility to alert your teammate when the clock is about to go, don't just be silent about it.

there is a shot clock on both sides of the court.

lol i was going to say, most low post guys use the other clock.

[expobear]

Powe really annoys me with his lack of passing. He wastes so many good opportunities in our perimeter game with what would've been simple easy kickouts.

If Powe could pass or shoot, he wouldn't be 9th man coming off the bench. He averages a little over 4 shots a game on 15 minutes of playing time. If you were a marginal NBA player with no shot, what would you do if you were in Powe's shoes? Powe is not going to get more playing time or a new contract if he passed the ball out to the perimeter every time he gets the ball down low. This black hole stuff is really a myth as far as I'm concerned.

Are you saying Powe is jacking up shots and not passing the ball because he's worried about his contract and not so much about helping the team win? I hope you're wrong.

Anyway, I think that learning to deal with double-teams and to make the pass is a far more important developmental root for Powe than a jump-shot.

He's been preaching over a year now how the Celtics don't deserve Powe that he should go elsewhere to earn his rightful money... that's from where his comments stem from.

And yeah, recognizing double teams and making the correct pass is far more important to his development than a jumpshot that might never be there for him.

I've never said the Celtics don't deserve Powe.  I have said on a weaker team, Powe COULD be a 15 and 8 guy. This is not going to happen with the Celtics because Powe is playing behind KG and because of the limitations to his game. Powe is only going to be a 15 minute guy off the bench for the Celtics because of these limitations. To think that Powe is going to become an adroit passer or a great jumpshooter is not realistic with the Celtics. With another team perhaps Powe can develop but the Celtics can't afford to develop the 9th guy off the bench when they have championship aspirations.

[Bankshot]

Why isn't Powe working on a jumpshot?  He is turning into a black hole because of it, imo.  As an example, last night with the clock winding down, instead of taking the short 5 foot jumpshot or passing it back out to House at the top of the key, he decides to make a move toward the basket with not enough time on the shot clock to do so, and the shot clock runs out.  He's just too short to try to back bigger players down all the time... they just swat his junk back into his face.  He needs that short jumper.

I don't think he needs a 15 footer like BBD is working on, but just a short jumper like Perk's. 

If Perk can shoot that jumper, you would think Powe, who is a better offensive player, can do the same thing.  I'd love to see Powe work on it, he'd be a much better offensive player.

People can argue me on this, but it's difficult for a man to be looking at the shot clock when his back is to it. That becomes the PG's or anyone elses responsibility to alert your teammate when the clock is about to go, don't just be silent about it.

Except that last night, Powe was facing the basket until he turned around to back down his man.  Plus, isn't there a shot clock on both ends of the floor?