Glenn Davis Outscores James Posey!!

[Brickowski]

Well, I haven't watched the Hornets much so I'll stand corrected. Let's see how NO does in the playoffs.  Last year they were a 50 win team.  Why are they worse this year?

[EJPLAYA]

Numbers schnumbers. Tony Allen has better numbers than he did last year, too.  So what?

The Hornets are 21-11 and should have a better record. That's my bottom line.

Exactly my point. You throw out a comment that you don't believe about Posey playing worse than he was last year, but the numbers clearly say the opposite. TA on the other hand is down in multiple categories including 3pt %, FT %, Rebounding, Assists, higher turnovers, yet you pick the one number (pts) that has gone up due to his increased minutes and role on the second unit and try to say that TA is more valuable than TA?!

The Celtics are 31-9 and should have a better record as well. BTW... The Hornets are 22-12.

Let's try to be realistic when making a point, however I realize when the point is false and you are just trying to be contrarian that isn't really possible.

[crownsy]

Numbers schnumbers. Tony Allen has better numbers than he did last year, too.  So what?

The Hornets are 21-11 and should have a better record. That's my bottom line.

Exactly my point. You throw out a comment that you don't believe about Posey playing worse than he was last year, but the numbers clearly say the opposite. TA on the other hand is down in multiple categories including 3pt %, FT %, Rebounding, Assists, higher turnovers, yet you pick the one number (pts) that has gone up due to his increased minutes and role on the second unit and try to say that TA is more valuable than TA?!

The Celtics are 31-9 and should have a better record as well. BTW... The Hornets are 22-12.

Let's try to be realistic when making a point, however I realize when the point is false and you are just trying to be contrarian that isn't really possible.

22-12 isnt a very good recored for a team that won 50+ last year.

[Bankshot]

NO probably misses Pargo as much as we miss Posey.  I don't think either team realized when they didn't re-sign them how important those players were to their teams. They realize it now though.

[guava_wrench]

I have watched 90%of Hornets game this season,and without Posey in this first half of the season,their record would look closer to 15-17 because they got off to a slow start.If it wasn't for Posey's play they would have lost about 5-6games that he helped lift them to wins .He has played starter minutes in some of their games.I find it odd when he has 1 subpar game his name,stats,etc. is compared to BBD's.

Posey has done some things i didn't think he was still physical capable of in games,like a reverse dunk on someone.Posey looks better than he did with the Celtics so far.

He is also posting up a lot, something we never had him do in Boston. Then again, who else are they going to post up besides West.

There is no need to argue about the value of TA and the value of Posey. Posey is clearly more valuable. That is why Danny offered Posey more money and more years than TA.

Signing players is not only about who is better. It is also important to consider how much someone is worth and not pay them more. It is pointless to argue Posey is better than TA since there is no reason to disagree with this. Posey was offered way more money by Danny than TA was.

[Roy Hobbs]

Numbers schnumbers. Tony Allen has better numbers than he did last year, too.  So what?

The Hornets are 21-11 and should have a better record. That's my bottom line.

Exactly my point. You throw out a comment that you don't believe about Posey playing worse than he was last year, but the numbers clearly say the opposite. TA on the other hand is down in multiple categories including 3pt %, FT %, Rebounding, Assists, higher turnovers, yet you pick the one number (pts) that has gone up due to his increased minutes and role on the second unit and try to say that TA is more valuable than TA?!

The Celtics are 31-9 and should have a better record as well. BTW... The Hornets are 22-12.

Let's try to be realistic when making a point, however I realize when the point is false and you are just trying to be contrarian that isn't really possible.

22-12 isnt a very good recored for a team that won 50+ last year.

They're still on pace to win 53 games, though.  It's a slight slip, but not a huge one.

(As an aside, it's crazy that the Hornets have played 34 games, and we've played 40.)

[winsomme]

Numbers schnumbers. Tony Allen has better numbers than he did last year, too.  So what?

The Hornets are 21-11 and should have a better record. That's my bottom line.

Exactly my point. You throw out a comment that you don't believe about Posey playing worse than he was last year, but the numbers clearly say the opposite. TA on the other hand is down in multiple categories including 3pt %, FT %, Rebounding, Assists, higher turnovers, yet you pick the one number (pts) that has gone up due to his increased minutes and role on the second unit and try to say that TA is more valuable than TA?!

The Celtics are 31-9 and should have a better record as well. BTW... The Hornets are 22-12.

Let's try to be realistic when making a point, however I realize when the point is false and you are just trying to be contrarian that isn't really possible.

22-12 isnt a very good recored for a team that won 50+ last year.

They're still on pace to win 53 games, though.  It's a slight slip, but not a huge one.

(As an aside, it's crazy that the Hornets have played 34 games, and we've played 40.)

Peja and Tyson have been struggling....that has been hurting them...

[EJPLAYA]

Numbers schnumbers. Tony Allen has better numbers than he did last year, too.  So what?

The Hornets are 21-11 and should have a better record. That's my bottom line.

Exactly my point. You throw out a comment that you don't believe about Posey playing worse than he was last year, but the numbers clearly say the opposite. TA on the other hand is down in multiple categories including 3pt %, FT %, Rebounding, Assists, higher turnovers, yet you pick the one number (pts) that has gone up due to his increased minutes and role on the second unit and try to say that TA is more valuable than TA?!

The Celtics are 31-9 and should have a better record as well. BTW... The Hornets are 22-12.

Let's try to be realistic when making a point, however I realize when the point is false and you are just trying to be contrarian that isn't really possible.

22-12 isnt a very good recored for a team that won 50+ last year.

True enough, but since Posey has increased production in almost every category over his performance last year you sure can't blame it on him. You especially can't say he is better than TA when most categories TA's production has gone DOWN!

[EJPLAYA]

I have watched 90%of Hornets game this season,and without Posey in this first half of the season,their record would look closer to 15-17 because they got off to a slow start.If it wasn't for Posey's play they would have lost about 5-6games that he helped lift them to wins .He has played starter minutes in some of their games.I find it odd when he has 1 subpar game his name,stats,etc. is compared to BBD's.

Posey has done some things i didn't think he was still physical capable of in games,like a reverse dunk on someone.Posey looks better than he did with the Celtics so far.

He is also posting up a lot, something we never had him do in Boston. Then again, who else are they going to post up besides West.

There is no need to argue about the value of TA and the value of Posey. Posey is clearly more valuable. That is why Danny offered Posey more money and more years than TA.

Signing players is not only about who is better. It is also important to consider how much someone is worth and not pay them more. It is pointless to argue Posey is better than TA since there is no reason to disagree with this. Posey was offered way more money by Danny than TA was.

I agree 100% with this, however there is someone on here that we all know and love that wants to try and argue that anyway... Some people just like to be contrarian even when they don't believe it.

[Brickowski]

And some people just like the comfort of accepting conventional wisdom and thinking firmly inside the box.

[EJPLAYA]

And some people just like the comfort of accepting conventional wisdom and thinking firmly inside the box.

Funny how thinking out of the box is great when it fits what you want. How about we think out of the box and play Scal more or POB... Mix it up a bit. A little too far out of the box for you though, huh?!

[cornbreadsmart]

we are down one starting caliber player. i don't think it's crazy to say we may have not sunk into this rut. maybe we would . who knows. its just such a burden for paul or ray out there with the 4 other bench guys. when we go to the bench in the end of the 1st qtr into the beginning of the 2nd qtr i'm usually hoping we just don't lose too much of a lead where as last year it was pierce,pose and three others or ray,pose and three others. it's not just that it's specifically posey(even though he's one of the most versatile guys in the league) but one less starter. that's a huge hit for any team. tony allen is not that guy. he's not even CLOSE. i'm very uncomfortable with the idea of tony allen in any stretch of a critical playoff game.  posey? just the opposite. the higher the stakes the better he seems to play.

[cordobes]

And some people just like the comfort of accepting conventional wisdom and thinking firmly inside the box.

Isn't that sentence for the exclusive use of astrologers?

[Brickowski]

we are down one  i'm very uncomfortable with the idea of tony allen in any stretch of a critical playoff game.  posey? just the opposite. the higher the stakes the better he seems to play.

I'm perfectly comfortable with Tony Allen.  As for Posey, he was great in the clutch last year, but that was last year.

[Ed Teach]

I think that BBD and Powe miss Posey the most out of anyone.
I mentioned it another thread how the loss of Posey has resulted in a bench rotation where with Powe and BBD on the floor at the same time much more than last year.  I believe that that is part of the reason that Powe and BBD have struggled.  With Posey in the game Powe and BBD could concentrate on their strengths, Posey was a much more of an offensive threat reducing the pressure on either Powe or BBD.

Of all the off season moves I was most excited about Walker, I had hoped to see him play himself into significant minutes with the 2nd team.  I was able to see Walker play for K-state a lot, and he has the potential to be a solid offensive option.  He does have to develop some defense to go along with the offense, but playing with Powe or BBD (who both are above average defensive players) would seem to be a good fit.

If Walker can develop into the player that I had hoped by the end of the season it would ease some of the sting of losing Posey.  I may be an optimist, but I still think it could happen.  Obviously, I would love to have Posey back. I can not fathom why DA would take such a risk passing on a know commodity, relying on developing young talent to fill that hole.