How tradable is Ray?

[celts55]

Once again, I am not over reacting. I am not even saying to trade Ray. I am just asking if he really has as much trade value anyway. As i've stated I've read quite a few ray trades and I don't believe that other teams would be interested in them. So again, are we overestimating Ray's value around the league?

I have yet to see a valid reason why the Celtics should trade Ray Allen. And if you don't want to trade him, why create the thread? I see where you're coming from when you say you're not overreacting, but why start the thread then?

To me it is a ridiculous that we're even mentioning the words Ray and trade in the same sentence. In general, posters on the blog just need to cool it with the overreactions.

We waited 22 long, hard years to raise banner 18, and we did so last year with a starting 5 of Ray, Paul, KG, Perk, and Rondo. We finally reached the promised land! Why are we so eager to mess things up just because of a losing streak.

There is no reason to trade him right now.  He's playing great.   

They only trade him next year if they feel like at 34 he's on a rapid decline and doesn't have much left in the tank.  Then maybe they trade him next year so they can use his big contract to bring in a longer big contract of a player or players who are younger and can help extend our "window".   

As I stated, I love Ray. He's been one of my favorite players in the NBa for years, but i don't see how you can say he's playing great. What are you basing that on? At this point he's playing okay, maybe I could go to good, but certainly not great.

[crownsy]

Once again, I am not over reacting. I am not even saying to trade Ray. I am just asking if he really has as much trade value anyway. As i've stated I've read quite a few ray trades and I don't believe that other teams would be interested in them. So again, are we overestimating Ray's value around the league?

I have yet to see a valid reason why the Celtics should trade Ray Allen. And if you don't want to trade him, why create the thread? I see where you're coming from when you say you're not overreacting, but why start the thread then?

To me it is a ridiculous that we're even mentioning the words Ray and trade in the same sentence. In general, posters on the blog just need to cool it with the overreactions.

We waited 22 long, hard years to raise banner 18, and we did so last year with a starting 5 of Ray, Paul, KG, Perk, and Rondo. We finally reached the promised land! Why are we so eager to mess things up just because of a losing streak.

There is no reason to trade him right now.  He's playing great.   

They only trade him next year if they feel like at 34 he's on a rapid decline and doesn't have much left in the tank.  Then maybe they trade him next year so they can use his big contract to bring in a longer big contract of a player or players who are younger and can help extend our "window".   

As I stated, I love Ray. He's been one of my favorite players in the NBa for years, but i don't see how you can say he's playing great. What are you basing that on? At this point he's playing okay, maybe I could go to good, but certainly not great.

he was lights out for a solid month and a half. he's had 5 bad games.

that doesn't invalidate the other 30+.

[Redz]

"What have you done for me lately?"

[Chief]

Chicago might be interested in such a deal. Ray plus a few for Larry Hughes, Hinrich, and Noah.

[birdman2333]

rather than trade Ray would it be better at this point if the line up was simply shaken up?  Perhaps Ray can be moved to the second unit not unlike how the spurs treat Manu.  He will give life to the bench and provide leadership there.  Also, he will be fresh when he faces up to lesser able players.  I think this is wortj exploring more than trading him.

[Truck Lewis]

Yes, he is tradeable, but not realistically.  Teams would like him, but nobody would give up decent assets for him. 

I do not think the right deal would come along.  The team I see Ray best fitting would be Cleveland which obviously will never happen.  I think a team could be interested in trading for Ray going into the summer of '10 that wants to go in a new direction, but thats too far away to have a good idea what those options are. 

hardcore tp.....any team that could realistically use ray and give us something decent for him would be a team we would not give him to.  a bad team is not gonna trade assets to build around Ray...and a good team that could use ray to get over the top wouldnt part with players valuable enough to us.

[greg683x]

someone mentioned gilbert arenas before.  he wouldnt fit well with our team, and even if he did i would want to see him come back, be the same player he was before, and have the knee hold up an entire season before i think about a trade...not to mention if gilbert came back and is his old self, the wiz wouldnt want to get rid of him anyway.  why make a trade now and take on washingtons mistake?

everyones overreacting, i dont care if rays 11 of his last 51 or whatever it is, he looked worse last year in the playoffs, during a stretch where he was playing more games with less rest than he is now and he still came out of it with no time off.  shooters go through slumps just like any great hitter does in baseball.   if ray doesnt come out of it then maybe this thread is warranted over the summer.  right now it just shows no loyalty to a key player who helped us win a ring.

[jackson_34]

Not that I would want this let alone trade ray in the first place, but a trade with the Spurs for Ginobli and Oberto or Kurt Thomas would be an interesting replacement.

[nickagneta]

Yes, he is tradeable, but not realistically.  Teams would like him, but nobody would give up decent assets for him. 

I do not think the right deal would come along.  The team I see Ray best fitting would be Cleveland which obviously will never happen.  I think a team could be interested in trading for Ray going into the summer of '10 that wants to go in a new direction, but thats too far away to have a good idea what those options are. 

hardcore tp.....any team that could realistically use ray and give us something decent for him would be a team we would not give him to.  a bad team is not gonna trade assets to build around Ray...and a good team that could use ray to get over the top wouldnt part with players valuable enough to us.

Can't see how you can say this when just last year Dallas gave up long time All Star to be Devin Harris to get a washed up Jason Kidd. Besides, I think you are underestimating just how valuable Ray's expiring $20 million contract is going to be to a team wanting to make a run at LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Dirk, and the other franchise type players that will be available that summer.

[guava_wrench]

Not that I would want this let alone trade ray in the first place, but a trade with the Spurs for Ginobli and Oberto or Kurt Thomas would be an interesting replacement.

I doubt the spurs would trade Ginobili straight up for Ray. The idea that they would also throw in a big ban is tough to accept.

[crownsy]

Not that I would want this let alone trade ray in the first place, but a trade with the Spurs for Ginobli and Oberto or Kurt Thomas would be an interesting replacement.

I doubt the spurs would trade Ginobili straight up for Ray. The idea that they would also throw in a big ban is tough to accept.

TP, thier is no way they trade manu stright up for ray allen.

[celts55]

Not that I would want this let alone trade ray in the first place, but a trade with the Spurs for Ginobli and Oberto or Kurt Thomas would be an interesting replacement.

I doubt the spurs would trade Ginobili straight up for Ray. The idea that they would also throw in a big ban is tough to accept.

See, that is what I was talking about in the first place. I think quite a few people on this board over estimate Ray's value in a trade. While personally I would be open to listen to offers, I just don't think they will ba any that would knock your socks off for him.

[action781]

Yes, he is tradeable, but not realistically.  Teams would like him, but nobody would give up decent assets for him. 

I do not think the right deal would come along.  The team I see Ray best fitting would be Cleveland which obviously will never happen.  I think a team could be interested in trading for Ray going into the summer of '10 that wants to go in a new direction, but thats too far away to have a good idea what those options are. 

hardcore tp.....any team that could realistically use ray and give us something decent for him would be a team we would not give him to.  a bad team is not gonna trade assets to build around Ray...and a good team that could use ray to get over the top wouldnt part with players valuable enough to us.

Can't see how you can say this when just last year Dallas gave up long time All Star to be Devin Harris to get a washed up Jason Kidd. Besides, I think you are underestimating just how valuable Ray's expiring $20 million contract is going to be to a team wanting to make a run at LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Dirk, and the other franchise type players that will be available that summer.

Not sure your comparison parallels well.  We're talking about the celts giving up an aging 20 million dollar player for younger equivalent talent to help us "extend the competitive window".  You are talking about Dallas then giving up a young asset to help them win now.  If you truly thought Devin Harris was a long time All Star to be at the time of that trade, then props to you, because I think you are 1 in a many.  Nobody I knew thought that.

[action781]

Very tradable.


Followup question, what legitimate trade option is there out there that would make the Celtics better? 

thats the stickler isn't it?

To trade ray, because we have nothing approching a starting NBA SG on the bench, we need either a SG or a SF that can match ray's production, and he needs to be a star caliber player for the forseable future, since we will still be well over cap for the next few offseasons and unable to reload except through trades.

Thats a hard sell.

Maybe a three team deal with LAC and CHI?

Rondo & Ray to LAC
Kaman to CHI
Baron, Gordon & Noah to Boston

Fair value exists, but it will hurt.

Nobody commented on this trade yet.  I wouldn't do it because I love Rondo, but, man this really does seem to be fair value on paper if the salaries work out on this trade and all.

[celts55]

Very tradable.


Followup question, what legitimate trade option is there out there that would make the Celtics better? 

thats the stickler isn't it?

To trade ray, because we have nothing approching a starting NBA SG on the bench, we need either a SG or a SF that can match ray's production, and he needs to be a star caliber player for the forseable future, since we will still be well over cap for the next few offseasons and unable to reload except through trades.

Thats a hard sell.

Maybe a three team deal with LAC and CHI?

Rondo & Ray to LAC
Kaman to CHI
Baron, Gordon & Noah to Boston

Fair value exists, but it will hurt.

Nobody commented on this trade yet.  I wouldn't do it because I love Rondo, but, man this really does seem to be fair value on paper if the salaries work out on this trade and all.

Okay.

A) it doesn't work on the trade checker

B) I don't see why LA makes this trade

C) If LA was interested how about this

Rondo, Ray to LA
Kaman, Powe to Chi
Davis, Noah, and Gooden to Celts

That actually works on Trade Machine.