How tradable is Ray?

[Change]

Why are we overreacting? Its kinda obvious that Ainge will make some changes before the deadline. But not our starters especially the big3. Trading Allen, should've been finals MVP, is perhaps the worst idea ever. We are losing for 2 reason: 1) Rondo is being exploited once again. 2) Bench is undersized & can't can score a dime. Plus the team is exhausted having played so many games already. Fakers played only played 5 games compare to 7 games that we've played since Christmas. If anything TA play is my biggest concern. If he would've stepped up & relished his role as "The 6th Man" the same way Posey did last season none of us would be having this conversation.

[celts55]

Once again, I am not over reacting. I am not even saying to trade Ray. I am just asking if he really has as much trade value anyway. As i've stated I've read quite a few ray trades and I don't believe that other teams would be interested in them. So again, are we overestimating Ray's value around the league?

[crownsy]

Once again, I am not over reacting. I am not even saying to trade Ray. I am just asking if he really has as much trade value anyway. As i've stated I've read quite a few ray trades and I don't believe that other teams would be interested in them. So again, are we overestimating Ray's value around the league?

he has trade value, but not during the season.

Next offseason, as teams get a good hard look at thier cap, his 19 million coming off the cap is attractive.

[vinnie]

I am not in favor of trading Ray, but it is troubling and amazing that such a great shooter can go 11-51 over a five-game stretch, which he has done the last 5. Those numbers are scary. I got those numbers from 'eei postgame show last night, so hope they are right.

[crownsy]

I am not in favor of trading Ray, but it is troubling and amazing that such a great shooter can go 11-51 over a five-game stretch, which he has done the last 5. Those numbers are scary. I got those numbers from 'eei postgame show last night, so hope they are right.

deson't really suprise me, he plays the most minutes and they just got off a brutal trip, and they've had the most games.

Jumpshooters are where a tired team shows up the most, and post 30 ones even more so.

[wdleehi]

Very tradable.





Followup question, what legitimate trade option is there out there that would make the Celtics better? 

[crownsy]

Very tradable.





Followup question, what legitimate trade option is there out there that would make the Celtics better? 

thats the stickler isn't it?

To trade ray, because we have nothing approching a starting NBA SG on the bench, we need either a SG or a SF that can match ray's production, and he needs to be a star caliber player for the forseable future, since we will still be well over cap for the next few offseasons and unable to reload except through trades.

Thats a hard sell.

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

Why are we overreacting? Its kinda obvious that Ainge will make some changes before the deadline. But not our starters especially the big3. Trading Allen, should've been finals MVP, is perhaps the worst idea ever. We are losing for 2 reason: 1) Rondo is being exploited once again. 2) Bench is undersized & can't can score a dime. Plus the team is exhausted having played so many games already. Fakers played only played 5 games compare to 7 games that we've played since Christmas. If anything TA play is my biggest concern. If he would've stepped up & relished his role as "The 6th Man" the same way Posey did last season none of us would be having this conversation.

Sorry, but if you re-watch the finals, it was pretty clear Pierce deserved the finals MVP more than Allen

[LarBrd33]

I brought it up in another thread the other day.   Ray would be mostly valuable as an expiring contract next year.  Everyone keeps talking about how in the current economy we will see struggling teams try to unload big contracts.  I could see the Wizards trying to unload Gilbert Arenas since he's got 6 years remaining on his contract and that team pretty much stinks. 

Arenas and Darius Songalia for Ray's expiring contract is the kind of thing I'd expect to hear chatter about next year.

[Michael Anthony]

Very tradable.





Followup question, what legitimate trade option is there out there that would make the Celtics better? 

thats the stickler isn't it?

To trade ray, because we have nothing approching a starting NBA SG on the bench, we need either a SG or a SF that can match ray's production, and he needs to be a star caliber player for the forseable future, since we will still be well over cap for the next few offseasons and unable to reload except through trades.

Thats a hard sell.

Maybe a three team deal with LAC and CHI?

Rondo & Ray to LAC
Kaman to CHI
Baron, Gordon & Noah to Boston

Fair value exists, but it will hurt.

[Toine43]

Once again, I am not over reacting. I am not even saying to trade Ray. I am just asking if he really has as much trade value anyway. As i've stated I've read quite a few ray trades and I don't believe that other teams would be interested in them. So again, are we overestimating Ray's value around the league?

I have yet to see a valid reason why the Celtics should trade Ray Allen. And if you don't want to trade him, why create the thread? I see where you're coming from when you say you're not overreacting, but why start the thread then?

To me it is a ridiculous that we're even mentioning the words Ray and trade in the same sentence. In general, posters on the blog just need to cool it with the overreactions.

We waited 22 long, hard years to raise banner 18, and we did so last year with a starting 5 of Ray, Paul, KG, Perk, and Rondo. We finally reached the promised land! Why are we so eager to mess things up just because of a losing streak.

[mahonedog88]

I don't think there's anyway Ainge trades any of the big 3.

Unfortunately, with the way our roster is built in terms of salary, I doubt we'll be able to make a viable trade that make us legitimally beter.  I don't know how much other teams will want our bench parts either with them playing poorly as of late.

I know that because of this bigtime slump, people want to make a move soon, but I just don't know if it's possible.  It sucks to play the waiting game, but unfortunately I think that's all we can do in terms of waiting for Marbury or waiting to see who gets bought out.

[celts55]

Once again, I am not over reacting. I am not even saying to trade Ray. I am just asking if he really has as much trade value anyway. As i've stated I've read quite a few ray trades and I don't believe that other teams would be interested in them. So again, are we overestimating Ray's value around the league?

I have yet to see a valid reason why the Celtics should trade Ray Allen. And if you don't want to trade him, why create the thread? I see where you're coming from when you say you're not overreacting, but why start the thread then?
To me it is a ridiculous that we're even mentioning the words Ray and trade in the same sentence. In general, posters on the blog just need to cool it with the overreactions.

We waited 22 long, hard years to raise banner 18, and we did so last year with a starting 5 of Ray, Paul, KG, Perk, and Rondo. We finally reached the promised land! Why are we so eager to mess things up just because of a losing streak.

I created this thread to kind of point out that I don't really think Ray is tradable at this time so perhaps people should let go of the let trade him threads. Thank being said, if i thought he could be traded for a quality scorer(to replace him) and a good big, why yew I would entertain that idea.

[D Dub]

I would keep Ray around until he is 40.  We are talking about one of the All Time Greatest jump shooters.  

Do you guys think someone will give him another big contract when he is up?  I wonder if we could get him to re-sign for something like 30 mil over 5 years?

[LarBrd33]

Once again, I am not over reacting. I am not even saying to trade Ray. I am just asking if he really has as much trade value anyway. As i've stated I've read quite a few ray trades and I don't believe that other teams would be interested in them. So again, are we overestimating Ray's value around the league?

I have yet to see a valid reason why the Celtics should trade Ray Allen. And if you don't want to trade him, why create the thread? I see where you're coming from when you say you're not overreacting, but why start the thread then?

To me it is a ridiculous that we're even mentioning the words Ray and trade in the same sentence. In general, posters on the blog just need to cool it with the overreactions.

We waited 22 long, hard years to raise banner 18, and we did so last year with a starting 5 of Ray, Paul, KG, Perk, and Rondo. We finally reached the promised land! Why are we so eager to mess things up just because of a losing streak.

There is no reason to trade him right now.  He's playing great.   

They only trade him next year if they feel like at 34 he's on a rapid decline and doesn't have much left in the tank.  Then maybe they trade him next year so they can use his big contract to bring in a longer big contract of a player or players who are younger and can help extend our "window".